Latin Mass Trival Pursuit Part II

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  1. What is it called when the priest faces east and why does he do that?
  2. What are the loud(spoken) parts during the Roman Canon?
  3. Why is the Missal moved from East to west?
  4. What direction is the Gospel Chanted and why?
  5. Who chants the epistle during the Solemn Mass?
  6. Who chants the Gospel during the Solemn Mass?
  7. Why does the priest wear the maniple?
  8. When is the sign of the Peace given and how is it given?
  9. Why are people incensed?
Here are TLM Altar Boy’s Questions:
  1. Which feasts have a proper preface?
  2. From which psalm are the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar taken?
  3. The United States has an indult stating that the use of what is permitted in a Missa Cantata? (without the indult it would only be allowed in a Missa Solemnis)
Extra Credit: Name at least three languages the 1962 Missal can be celebrated in.
 
All good questions… and thanks for posting mine, too! 👍 I’ll answer three.

Iohannes said:
5. Who chants the epistle during the Solemn Mass?
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The subdeacon.
  1. Who chants the Gospel during the Solemn Mass?
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The deacon.
  1. When is the sign of the Peace given and how is it given?
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The Kiss of Peace is given at High Mass after the priest says, “Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,” and the choir sings the Agnus Dei. There are two ways I’ve seen it given (though I’m not sure the second is correct).
  1. The deacon bows to the priest. The priest then places his hands on the shoulders of the deacon and says, “Pax tecum,” to which the deacon responds, “Et cum spiritu tuo.” Both then bow to each other.
  2. A server, at the Agnus Dei, picks up a paten and purificator. He then kneels on the predella. The server bows to the priest and holds the paten up to him. The priest says, “Pax tecum,” to which the server responds, “Et cum spiritu tuo.” The priest then kisses the paten and both bow to each other. The server then brings the paten to each of the visiting priests with a similar process (Priest bows, server says “Pax tecum”, priest says “Et cum spiritu tuo”, priest kisses the paten, both bow).
 
  1. What is it called when the priest faces east and why does he do that?
Ad orientum and it signifies facing the East
  1. Who chants the epistle during the Solemn Mass? Subdeacon
  2. Who chants the Gospel during the Solemn Mass? Deacon
  3. Why does the priest wear the maniple?
It represents the handkerchief with which Veronica wiped the face of Jesus and is symbolic of good works.
  1. When is the sign of the Peace given and how is it given?
At Solemn High Masses only - It is given right after the prayers before communion which follow the Agnus Dei. It is a sign of the fraternal chaity and union which ought to exist among Christians and is of apostolic origin. Its position here is characteristic. Before receiving the Body of Christ, Christians show they are at peace with their bretheren.
  1. Why are people incensed? The burning of incense signifies the sovereign dominion of the Creator over all thins, and teh ascending smoke and fragrance represent teh sweet odor of prayer rising before the throne of God.
Here are TLM Altar Boy’s Questions:
  1. Which feasts have a proper preface?
    All the major feast days on the calendar
  2. From which psalm are the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar taken?Psalm 42
Extra Credit: Name at least three languages the 1962 Missal can be celebrated in.

Latin, Greek, Syriac, Chaldaic, Arabic, Ethiopian, Slavonic, Ruthenian, Bulgarian, Armenian, Coptic and Roumanian
 
To elaborate a little bit more on Ad Orientem( it is not "priest with his back to the congregration):
The sun rises from the East and the rising sun symbolizes Christ resurrection. Christ will also come from that direction during the second comming.
 
yes, the maniple was a hankerchief. It reminded the priest that he must weep for his sins, something we need to bring back.

Among the religious orders who had their own rites, Psalm 42 was not receited because they would have chanted it during the Divine Office.
 
Extra Credit: Croatian too (The Pope granted any indult many years ago)
 
I am not even going to try to answer those questions but I sure learned alot from looking at this post! Whom ever thought of this–it was a great idea.
 
Here’s one: Name the Pope or Popes who proclaimed doctrinally that the " Tridentine Mass " ( Latin Mass ) was to remain the Mass in the Church for all time. Bonus points… the year(s) it was proclaimed . extra bonus… Name the document title(s) Yes… an excellent idea, thanks
 
The Dead Bishop:
Here’s one: Name the Pope or Popes who proclaimed doctrinally that the " Tridentine Mass " ( Latin Mass ) was to remain the Mass in the Church for all time. Bonus points… the year(s) it was proclaimed . extra bonus… Name the document title(s) Yes… an excellent idea, thanks
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It’s no fair asking a question that doesn’t have an answer. No such document was ever written. The only thing I can think of that might be mistaken for such a document is Quo Primum, by St. Pius V (1570), which established a new Ordo Missae, quite similar to Pope Paul VI a few centuries later…

Is that what you were thinking of when you wrote the question?
 
deogratias said:
7. Why does the priest wear the maniple?

It represents the handkerchief with which Veronica wiped the face of Jesus and is symbolic of good works.
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I once heard a talk from a priest that explained all the vestments the priest wore at Holy Mass. Every piece of vestment that they wear holds specific meaning and as they put them on before Mass there are prayers attached to each piece that they pray while dressing. I have since forgotten their meanings. Does anyone out there know what meaning is attached to the following vestments?

Chasuble, Stole, amice, alb, cincture
 
Chasuble, - means “little house” and was used because this garment formerly covered the entire body. It represents the seamless garment of our Lord for which the soldiers cast lots.It signifies the Holy love with which the priest, like his divine Master, should embrace all mankind and with which he should shelter them as in the folds of a cloak.

amice - is a survival of the old neckerchief of olden times and protects the neck of the chausuble from prespiration. It is also a symbol of the helmet of salvation and represents the cloth with which the suffering Christ was blindfolded.

alb - The whiteness of the long white alb he wears over his cassock denotes interior purity and its length denotes prerservance in good works. It also represents the white garment with which Herod in mockery had Christ robed.

cincture - This woven cord with tassles is to keep the alb and stole in place and is usually of silk. It represents the rope with which Christ was led through the streets of Jerusalem and signifies the girdle of purity.

stole - the stole signifies priestly power and dignity. It signifies the fetters which bound Jesus to the pillar as well as the cross he bore on his shoulders. It represents the garment of sanctifying grace restored by Christ after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Thanks for bringing this up - probably a lot of people see the vestments as just a lot of fuss without any knowledge of their meaning or symbolism. The Church is so rich in tradition and Tradition.
 
Mike C:
yes, the maniple was a hankerchief. It reminded the priest that he must weep for his sins, something we need to bring back.
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Our pastor says that the maniple was originally a towel used to shoo flies off the elements. (?) (But he also believes that communion rails were originally installed to keep animals out of the sanctuary.)

An Anglican Bishop I know says that the maniple should be the last vestment to be dispensed with because, he says, it represents the towel Jesus used to dry the feet of the disciples and represents the Priest’s servant role. (?).

Now I hear it’s Veronica’s veil. (?)

And a handkerchief into which a Priest may weep for his sins. (?)

William Osler used to say that if you have too many treatments for a disease, none of them can be much good!
 
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JohnCantius:
Extra Credit: Croatian too (The Pope granted any indult many years ago)
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Nope Cantius the Pope granted an indult to the Croatians to say the Traditional Latin Mass[known as Tridentine] in Slavonic
 
TLM Altar Boy:
It’s no fair asking a question that doesn’t have an answer. No such document was ever written. The only thing I can think of that might be mistaken for such a document is Quo Primum, by St. Pius V (1570), which established a new Ordo Missae, quite similar to Pope Paul VI a few centuries later…

Is that what you were thinking of when you wrote the question?
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Pope Saint Pius V didn’t invent a new Ordo Missae. His Tridentine Missal was similar to the 1474 Gelasian Sacramentary which similar to the 1300’s edition and which was similar to the 1200’s edition and so one and so forth…
 
Catholic Eagle:
Pope Saint Pius V didn’t invent a new Ordo Missae. His Tridentine Missal was similar to the 1474 Gelasian Sacramentary which similar to the 1300’s edition and which was similar to the 1200’s edition and so one and so forth…
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I know, I was just making the point that every Pope has the right to revise/reissue the Ordo Missae. After all, that’s really what the Novus Ordo is: the current Order of the Mass for the Latin rite.
 
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deogratias:
Extra Credit: Name at least three languages the 1962 Missal can be celebrated in.
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Latin, Greek, Syriac, Chaldaic, Arabic, Ethiopian, Slavonic, Ruthenian, Bulgarian, Armenian, Coptic and Roumanian

Latin
Greek
Syriac
Chaldean not Chaldaic]
Ge’ez [not Ethiopian, although this a language spoken by Ethopians]
Old Church Slavonic[In Glagothic alphabet][the Bulgars and Ruthenes both use Old Church Slavonic in thier liturgies}
Armenian
Coptic
Romanian
 
Catholic Eagle:
Latin
Greek
Syriac
Chaldean not Chaldaic]
Ge’ez [not Ethiopian, although this a language spoken by Ethopians]
Old Church Slavonic[In Glagothic alphabet][the Bulgars and Ruthenes both use Old Church Slavonic in thier liturgies}
Armenian
Coptic
RomanianChal`da´ic
**a.****1.**Of or pertaining to Chaldea.

Probably either would be correct.

Ethiopian/Abyssinian is also correct

signumcrucis.net/rites.htm

BTW many consider Geez to be a slang word for Jesus

Webster says it is a varient of Jeez

Function: interjection
Etymology: euphemism for Jesus
– used as a mild oath or introductory expletive

and probably not appropriate to use on a Catholic forum for that reason.
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TLM Altar Boy:
It’s no fair asking a question that doesn’t have an answer. No such document was ever written. The only thing I can think of that might be mistaken for such a document is Quo Primum, by St. Pius V (1570), which established a new Ordo Missae, quite similar to Pope Paul VI a few centuries later…

Is that what you were thinking of when you wrote the question?
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Actually Quo Primum did say that… :yup:
 
deogratias}:
Ethiopian/Abyssinian is also correct

signumcrucis.net/rites.htm

BTW many consider Geez to be a slang word for Jesus

Webster says it is a varient of Jeez

Function: interjection
Etymology: euphemism for Jesus
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Ethopian/Abyssinian is the name for a person from Ethiopia/Abysinnia or that usage of the ALexandrian RIte. The Ethopians don’t have one language that they use. Ge’ez is an ancient liturgical langugae used by Ethiopian Christians. I did not mean it in the way that you posted. I never even knew that until now. Here is proof that Ge’ez is a liturgical language: www.catholic-forum.com/churchess/kidanemehret/
 
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