Latin Mass: Why silent?

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I have on occasion attended a Latin Mass and have a couple of questions, to which I have yet to get satisfactory answers to:

Why is it usually said in silence? How did this develop, and why?
I’m looking for some actual specific doc refs as to why and how this came about and its justification.

Why is it so often “recited”, in a hurry, flatly, with no effort of conveying the emotional sense of the words? How did this develop?
It hardly seems reverent to me. I’m not expecting the priest to ham it up, but it’s a bit too dry.

Finally, on one tradional Catholicism thread, there was a link to a blog with a priest (Fr.Rudolph or something) in which there was give and take re the celebration of the Latin Mass.
If anyone can give me this link, I’d appreciate it.
 
Hi Rob, You do realize there are certain prayers in the Ordinary Form (Novus Ordo) that are said silently by the priest don’t you ?

Some of the prayers said silently or inaudibly are said that way because they are “priest specific”. In other words, they pertain to the priest and what he is about to do. For example, the faithful would not need to say, nor hear, the prayer for the washing of the hands.

I’m sure someone will give a more detailed and articulate answer.

God Bless
 
Prior to the 1962 book, the rubrics called for three voices in the Mass, silent, sotto (heard and responded to by the servers), and audible - heard by the congregation.

In the 62 book, it was narrowed down to two voices, heard and unheard. And that was followed by the “dialog Mass” where almost the entire Mass is said in a voice that can be heard and responded to by the congregation.

The rule is that the altar boys are there to respond for the congregation and they are the congregation’s link to the priest and the sacrifice. That is why at the Consecration, the acolytes will lift the chasuble of the priest at the major elevation. That signifies the connection of the people to the sacrifice.
 
Some Masses are silent and some allow “dialogue” where the people respond. The priest decides beforehand which kind of Mass it will be. A High Mass is sung for instance, while a low Mass may be inaudible in most or all of it.

Then as pointed out already, some prayers are priest-specific. These are the “ministerial” prayers that don’t entail the people answering or even hearing. In the New Mass, the role of people is over-emphasized so it is easy to miss the fact that the priest is the one offering the Sacrifice on our behalf. The Mass is the holy conversation between God and priest - thus the priest facing the Tabernacle. This type of prayer is also demonstrated in the Old Testament when the high priest would go behind the curtain in the Holy of Holies in the Temple to offer the sacrifice, out of sight of the people for this holy and rare prayer. As you know, the OT is a prefiguration of the New Testament.

The more you consider the holy office of the priest and the power he has before God, the better you will understand his role. I myself have had to look into this and it has helped my understanding of the importance of the priest and the Mass.

The “Dialogue” Mass was offered as an option by Pope Pius XII I think. Up until then, there were no rubrics for the people at all.

I can’t defend a lack of reverence by the priest if that is what you are witnessing. Don’t confuse emotion or theatrics with reverence. I find priests who say the old Mass in general do it carefully. They demonstrate an awareness of the power of what they are doing and strive not to be distracted by what the congregation is doing. [easier when they don’t have to face us while they pray for us!]
 
**But the LORD is in his holy temple; let all the earth keep silence before him.
(Habakkuk 2:20 RSVCE)

**This may help to explain the presence of periods of silence in all forms of the Liturgy of the Church.

James
 
You are apparently attending low mass rather than high mass. I urge you to try to attend a high mass in order to get a better sense of the full scale of the Gregorian mass.

Until then, Wikipedia’s article on the low mass will give you some background as to how and why this form of the mass developed:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Mass

As for priest bloggers, do you mean Fr. Zuhlsdorf? His blog is at wdtprs.com/blog/
Another widely-read trad priest-blogger is Fr. Tim Finigan at the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/
 
I wouldn’t say it is ‘so often’ said in a monotone voice.

It being in Latin, a foreign language, will sound strange to you no matter what the inflection, especailly if it is a Missa Cantata or Low Mass that has spoken parts(not sung). The only EF Masses I’ve been to were both reverently prayed, and the videos on Youtube all seem to have quite reverent, careful priests. Perhaps it’s different in your area.
 
You are apparently attending low mass rather than high mass. I urge you to try to attend a high mass in order to get a better sense of the full scale of the Gregorian mass.

Until then, Wikipedia’s article on the low mass will give you some background as to how and why this form of the mass developed:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Mass

As for priest bloggers, do you mean Fr. Zuhlsdorf? His blog is at wdtprs.com/blog/
Another widely-read trad priest-blogger is Fr. Tim Finian at the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/
Fr Finigan’s blog is one of my favs 🙂 His latest entry(8-18) is hilarious. And the video (8-13) showing that huge thurible is very interesting.
 
Why is it usually said in silence? How did this develop, and why?
For me, the Silent Canon in particular conveys the magnitude of what is occurring on the altar. It improves my capacity to pray the Mass and to adore Christ at this pivotal moment.

I find the silence in the Mass extremely beneficial for promoting a reverent atmosphere, and I especially appreciate the low Mass for this reason.
Why is it so often “recited”, in a hurry, flatly, with no effort of conveying the emotional sense of the words? How did this develop?
It hardly seems reverent to me. I’m not expecting the priest to ham it up, but it’s a bit too dry.
I’ve never known this to be the case. Whenever I hear the prayers, they’re being said with reverence.
 
Why is it usually said in silence? How did this develop, and why?
I’m looking for some actual specific doc refs as to why and how this came about and its justification.

Why is it so often “recited”, in a hurry, flatly, with no effort of conveying the emotional sense of the words? How did this develop?
It hardly seems reverent to me. I’m not expecting the priest to ham it up, but it’s a bit too dry.
Because the Mass is not about the priest - he is not our focus. The Mass is about the miracle that is to occur. How the priest says this is really irrelevant - being “dry” implies you are not being entertained or that you are looking for something other than what is occurring on the altar. Why are the “emotional sense of the words” important? That is what Protestant preachers try to do - excite and enliven people by their showmanship. They have no miracle to present, so they must rely on their presentation skills.

Thank goodness for us, our priests are not held to that standard and do not need to entertain. They are there to confect the Creator of the Universe - how he says the words to do so makes little difference to me.

~Liza
 
Why is it so often “recited”, in a hurry, flatly, with no effort of conveying the emotional sense of the words? How did this develop?
It hardly seems reverent to me. I’m not expecting the priest to ham it up, but it’s a bit too dry.
Have you ever heard a priest offer the NO when English was by far his second language? (Or maybe third, or fourth…) The priest you heard could have had the EF memorized before he left the cradle, but if he learned it from a priest who said it the way you are hearing it, that is the way he learned it. Maybe the faithful in his TLM group have let him know that theatrics of any kind are not appreciated. Or maybe he learned it recently, in an effort to minister to those who needed it, in spite of rather than because of his natural aptitude at languages.

In other words, let us assume that the priest is doing his best, why don’t we, and not speculate on the topic of his reverence? Otherwise, getting more to follow suit is going to be an uphill battle, at best.
 
I read somewhere the the silent Mass was brought to America by Irish Priests, who were forced to say the Mass in silent because of fear of the orange huns.

I do not know how true it is, but it makes sense.
 
I read somewhere the the silent Mass was brought to America by Irish Priests, who were forced to say the Mass in silent because of fear of the orange huns.

I do not know how true it is, but it makes sense.
But the Irish in this country weren’t driven into the equivalent of catacombs, were they? Probably if a bunch of Irishman bunched up in a church, their adversaries would know as much as they needed to concerning what the Irish were up to, don’t you think?

I would think the situation would be more like the story that goes around about Bill Moyers offering a prayer in the presence of Lyndon Johnson. (Read: I don’t know if it is true). When the President told Moyers that he couldn’t hear what he was saying, Moyers replied, “I wasn’t talking to you, Mr. President.”
 
I read somewhere the the silent Mass was brought to America by Irish Priests, who were forced to say the Mass in silent because of fear of the orange huns.

I do not know how true it is, but it makes sense.
I hadn’t heard that one - but any I suppose Mass being done in hiding would be done silently no matter what era.

The Dialogue Mass was an option offered by Pius XII. Besides High Masses or sung Masses, the everyday Mass would have been done silently before this option.
 
Folks, thanks for all your replies. It’s been civil, a quality which is all to often missing from Traditionalist threads. Too often they descend into a never-ending debate between Trent and Vatican II.

Perhaps “reverence” was not the right word. I did not intend to pass judgment on the priest.

It just seems to me that if one is praying, one should avoid running through it in a hurry in a flat tone that does not convey the power and sense of what is being said.

I heard Fr. Benedict Groeschel say once that the Mass wasn’t said in Latin, it was said in gibberish, referring the hurried babbling manner in which it was too often recited. I think he also said he got criticized for taking too long in celebrating it. He said he did it slower, with some sense of the drama the words convey.

Of course, keep it within bounds and dont ham it up. It seems to me the gospel where Jesus condemns the scribes and pharisees loses a lot if just dryly recited."Woe unto you Pharisees! " etc.

Likewise, in group recitations of the Rosary, it is dismaying to hear it run together as one long word “Ourfatherwhoartinheaven.”.
I’d be afraid of getting finger blisters running at that rate. Moreover, for the newcomer, it might turn them off to see people praying this way.

Re: LizaAnne, I’m not looking for entertainment. It seems to me it would do better justice to what is been said to slow it down and try to convey the drama contained in the words. Within limits.

If the Wikipedia article referenced above (on the first page of this thread) is reasonably accurate re multiple private masses going on simultaneously in the same church, then I understand why the Latin Mass became quiet.

But it seems to have been an adaptation to a situation that doesn’t apply nowadays when there is only one mass being celebrated at a time. The adaptation became a tradition, and then became set in concrete, it seems. The dialog mass seems to be the most sensible, with the congregation responding instead of just the server.

A Franciscan priest told me of his experience as an organist when the Latin Mass was current. While they might start off together at the Offertory, they would part ways for a time, until finally coordinating just before Communion, because they would each be going at a dfferent pace. Very odd.

Anyway, here’s a tidbit of the “Everything old is new again” sort.

On page 1687 of my St. Andrew’s Missal, in the note for Nov. 23, St Clement I, Pope and Martyr (pope, A.D. 92-102), it says the following in reference to the ancient Church of St. Clement in Rome, although no date is given for the origin of the church.
“The title-church of St Clement at Rome is of the greatest religious and archaeological interest; it shows perfectly the ancient arrangement of a Christian church: the atrium, the ambos, the chancel, the altar facing the people, separate places for the clergy, faithful and catechumens.”

So maybe the altar facing the people is not some wacky innovation from the '60s.

In closing, FYI, my preference is the vernacular mass, properly celebrated. I do like to attend a Latin Mass on occasion, esp. if there is a choir.
 
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