Latin Mass

[smeeko]

itsjustdave1988:

Where are you at in Colorado?

We are in Lakewood. We have Chaput here, who is great as well.
We decided to try the Latin community, because we feel lonely in our faith, because even our fellow Catholics don’t share basic things as being pro-life!
But so far (we need more exposure, for sure) the Latin community seems even more “radical” and austere than we are…

God Bless,

Enrico in CO

 

[rcn]

Exporter:

I know that you realise that Baseball and television have zero effect on the number of Seminarians.

The decline in the number of Seminarians cannot be provably linked to anything. Thus, your statement “When this was the only Mass the Seminaries were full, not so now” is equally as “funny” as my linking it to baseball, TV or the development of the Big Mac. I think you know that.

 

[challenger]

rcn:

The decline in the number of Seminarians cannot be provably linked to anything. Thus, your statement “When this was the only Mass the Seminaries were full, not so now” is equally as “funny” as my linking it to baseball, TV or the development of the Big Mac. I think you know that.

No, it cannot be “provably” linked to anything, but it is a far shot more likely to have something to do with teh Mass than the designated hitter rule. Be logical.

 

[Swiss_Guard]

smeeko:

Thanks for all the answers and sorry for my late reply.

Are we righteous? We try not to be at least not to appear so.
I agree we have to try it again and maybe at a different parish.
We do say rosaries with our kids and do not watch TV.
We don’t usually go to birthday parties, we try to live humbly, I pary at abortion mills, etc.
But you will have to admit that if a 5 years old kid who likes to listen to chitars and piano and joining in singing: “Here I am Lord” or similar songs, who knows that tee Our Father and the sign of peace come after consacration, can be a little bored and lost by a Latin ceremony.

more later… (kids require attention now )
God bless

Enrico in CO

Latin ceremony? The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not just a mere ceremony.

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You have to give the Tridentine Mass more time. I didn’t like it the first few times I went. I was lost as to where the priest was in the Mass, I couldn’t follow the red booklet missal, and I was confused at the rubrics. I then got more confused at the difference in rubrics at Low Mass and High Mass. It took a while to understand it, but when I did I was glad I perservered.

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The Our Father and the sign of peace come after the conscecration in the Tridentine Mass as well, it’s just that the sign of peace is given by the priest, deacon and subdeacon. The laity are focused on Christ, not turning around to shake hands with the people sitting behind them, the same people they will be yelling at in their cars 15 minutes later when they try to get out of the parking lot.

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It’s wonderful that your kids have an understanding of the Mass at such a young age. You’re doing a good job of teaching them the Catholic faith. Keep up the good work and don’t give up on the Tridentine Mass. You will be glad you perservered!

 

[Swiss_Guard]

rcn:

When there was no Designated Hitter rule in baseball the Seminaries were full, not so now.

Not true. The designated hitter rule was instituted in 1973. Seminaries began losing vocations in the late 1960s.

When television sets were made in America the Seminaries were full, not so now.

Again, not true. Zenith was still making television sets in America in 1975, when seminaries were almost empty.

Let’s be careful with conclusions of “cause” and “effect”.

Let’s also be careful about being so glib at the loss of vocations to the priesthood.

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Abuses in the Mass cause a loss of vocations. When you take out the sacred, you lose those who want to serve God and grow in holiness. Please don’t tell me abuses in the Mass and bad catechesis are not the reason for losing vocations, because if you tell me that, I want you to tell me what was discussed at your last Call to Action meeting.

 

[mgy100]

I took my brother to his first high mass two weekends ago. He spent most of his time with his nose buried in the red book. He missed alot. I had to tap him to adore the consecrated host when the priest held it up. He didn’t even see the priest wearing his biretta (spelling?). He wasn’t impressed at all. He said the priests didn’t turn around and even pay attention to us, and he felt disconnected. He said it felt like two different churches, his mass and the tridentine mass felt like two different worlds.
If he went again, which will be hard to get him to do, he might feel differently.
When I started going to the tridentine mass I was in awe. It moved me. Now when I go, it feels just like church. Hard to explain. I know most of the prayers in latin off the top of my head, as I spent hours learning them. I still love the tridentine mass.
A good new mass is just as awesome as a tridentine mass I must add. My least favorite part of the current mass is the responsorial pslam sung by a horrible cantor.
I love both masses. I like the fact that we get to respond more in the new mass. I just wish the prayers that were discarded in the new mass were included again. I wish the confiteor was the old latin one and not the shortened one. I wish they used more latin in the new mass.
I have been to tridentine masses where people just heard mass and let the choir sing, and usually go to a tridentine mass where everyone sings the credo, etc with the choir.

 

[Sean_O_L]

Exporter wrote:

For me, this Mass is making all the people concentrate on the most important part of the Mass - The Consencration! It is a true Mass with longstanding acceptance. It was the Mass of our Fathers. When this was the only Mass the Seminaries were full, not so now.

The normative Mass of the Roman Rite is that of Pope Paul VI - whether it be in Latin or the vernacular.

The 1962 Indult Latin Mass is permitted - but is NOT obligatory.

In declaring the “Indult” Mass to be the “true” Mass - thereby inferring that the Mass of Paul VI is NOT the “true” Mass is not acting in accordance with Catholic principles or theology.

It is similar to saying that the pre-St Pius V Masses going back to the Last Supper were not “true” Masses.

 

[Brendan]

Sean O L:

Exporter wrote:

In declaring the “Indult” Mass to be the “true” Mass - thereby inferring that the Mass of Paul VI is NOT the “true” Mass is not acting in accordance with Catholic principles or theology.

Exporter did say it was THE True Mass, he said it was A True Mass.

That is a valid statement in accordance with Church teaching,.

The TLM is a True Mass, the Mass of Paul VI is a True Mass, the Byzantine Divine Liturgy is a True Mass.