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So I was just curious about the Tridentine mass. It’s said in latin.

But not everyone knows latin; I mean I understand people like the tradition of the old latin mass; but isn’t the point of masses in local languages so people understand everyone that’s being said and can understand the service?

I mean no offense I went to a latin mass recently and I was totally lost. I mean it’s okay to go to latin masses and all; and it seems like a good tradition but what’s the point of a mass the for some who don’t understand latin?

I’m okay with keeping the Tridentine mass; but I think mass in local languages should be kept too.

Does anyone think the latin mass should be the only recognized mass? I think it would interesting if it was; but it’s not something I’d support.
 
mrld20 said:
So I was just curious about the Tridentine mass. It’s said in latin.

But not everyone knows latin; I mean I understand people like the tradition of the old latin mass; but isn’t the point of masses in local languages so people understand everyone that’s being said and can understand the service?

I mean no offense I went to a latin mass recently and I was totally lost. I mean it’s okay to go to latin masses and all; and it seems like a good tradition but what’s the point of a mass the for some who don’t understand latin?

I’m okay with keeping the Tridentine mass; but I think mass in local languages should be kept too.

Does anyone think the latin mass should be the only recognized mass? I think it would interesting if it was; but it’s not something I’d support.
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Who put you up to this?
 
No one did… I’m sincerely interested in hearing and learning more about the latin mass… Is something wrong?

I said it was okay to go to a latin mass. I never said it was bad? I mean perosonally I was lost when I went to one. But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.

I just asked if both the latin mass and the local language masses could co-exist like they do now with none being favored over the other.
 
Even though most people and most Catholics don’t understand Latin, when the Latin Mass was said universally, people understood a lot better than you might think.

The actions of the priest, including the ringing of the bells, let the faithful know exactly how the mass was progressing and what was happening. Remember, they were all cathechized in the protocols of the mass and the rubrics or rules that the priest and altar boys were supposed to follow made the non-verbal communication real clear to the people.

The sermons were delivered in the vernacular of course. But as I remember, that was the least intelligible part of the Latin mass to me back in the day, as I didn’t know Polish and that was the most verbal portion of the mass.
 
mrld20 said:
No one did… I’m sincerely interested in hearing and learning more about the latin mass… Is something wrong?

I said it was okay to go to a latin mass. I never said it was bad? I mean perosonally I was lost when I went to one. But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.

I just asked if both the latin mass and the local language masses could co-exist like they do now with none being favored over the other.
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The first time I went to a Traditional Mass I didn’t know what was going on either. Now I only attend the Traditional Mass. It takes some time to figure it out. Once you do, it’s no harder to follow than Mass in English. Once you have figured out how the Traditional Mass works, it’s no difficulty to follow along in a hand missal if you want to know all of the words of the readings and prayers.

I think I would rather not have all Masses be in Latin, for the sake of those who cling tightly to the vernacular; but I would prefer that all Masses be Traditional Masses and that the new Missal be abolished. Traditional Masses with some option for the use of the vernacular would be an ideal solution to the liturgy wars, in my opinion.
 
Gee, I always thought the Latin mass was pretty easy to understand. 🤷

~ Pius :knight1:
 
I just need to get used to the latin mass more I guess… I’ve grown up with the mass in English… And I kind of slacked off in latin in my catholic hs days lol… :o
 
mrld20 said:
So I was just curious about the Tridentine mass. It’s said in latin.

But not everyone knows latin; I mean I understand people like the tradition of the old latin mass; but isn’t the point of masses in local languages so people understand everyone that’s being said and can understand the service?

I mean no offense I went to a latin mass recently and I was totally lost. I mean it’s okay to go to latin masses and all; and it seems like a good tradition but what’s the point of a mass the for some who don’t understand latin?

I’m okay with keeping the Tridentine mass; but I think mass in local languages should be kept too.

Does anyone think the latin mass should be the only recognized mass? I think it would interesting if it was; but it’s not something I’d support.
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I definitely prefer the aesthetic of a mass in Latin. It sounds beautiful. It is not hard to follow at all after a few times. Are priests still trained in Latin?
 
thistle said:
I spoke to a priest friend of mine and he thinks most seminaries no longer teach Latin.
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As far as I know Veterum Sapientia is still in effect. Highlights of this encyclical:
We now, in the full consciousness of Our Office and in virtue of Our authority, decree and command the following:
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RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENFORCEMENT
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1.Bishops and superiors-general of religious orders shall rake pains to ensure that in their seminaries and in their schools where adolescents are trained for the priesthood, all shall studiously observe the Apostolic Sees decision in this matter and obey these Our prescriptions most carefully.
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  1. In the exercise of their paternal care they shall be on their guard lest anyone under their jurisdiction, eager for revolutionary changes, writes against the use of Latin in the teaching of the higher sacred studies or in the liturgy, or through prejudice makes light of the Holy Sees will in this regard or interprets it falsely. Study of Latin as a prerequisite
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  1. As is laid down in Canon Law (can. 1364) or commanded by Our Predecessors, before Church students begin their ecclesiastical studies proper, they shall be given a sufficiently lengthy course of instruction in Latin by highly competent masters, following a method designed to teach them the language with the utmost accuracy. “And that too for this reason: lest later on, when they begin their major studies. …they are unable by reason of their ignorance of the language to gain a full understanding of the doctrines or take part in those scholastic disputations which constitute so excellent an intellectual training for young men in the defense of the faith.” (15) We wish the same rule to apply to those whom God calls to the priesthood at a more advanced age, and whose classical studies have either been neglected or conducted too superficially. No one is to be admitted to the study of philosophy or theology except he be thoroughly grounded in this language and capable of using it.
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  1. Wherever the study of Latin has suffered partial eclipse through the assimilation of the academic program to that which obtains in State public schools, with the result that the instruction given is no longer so thorough and well-grounded as formerly, there the traditional method of teaching this language shall be completely restored. Such is Our will, and there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind about the necessity of keeping a strict watch over the course of studies followed by Church students; and that not only as regards the number and kinds of subjects they study, but also as regards the length of time devoted to the teaching of these subjects. Should circumstances of time and place demand the addition of other subjects to the curriculum besides the usual ones, then either the course of studies must be lengthened, or these additional subjects must be condensed or their study relegated to another time.
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  1. In accordance with numerous previous instructions, the major sacred sciences shall be taught in Latin, which, as we know from many centuries of use, “must be considered most suitable for explaining with the utmost facility and clarity the most difficult and profound ideas and concepts.” (16) For apart from the fact that it has long since been enriched with a vocabulary of appropriate and unequivocal terms, best calculated to safeguard the integrity of the Catholic faith, it also serves in no slight measure to prune away useless verbiage. Hence professors of these sciences in universities or seminaries are required to speak Latin and to make use of textbooks written in Latin. If ignorance of Latin makes it difficult for some to obey these instructions, they shall gradually be replaced by professors who are suited to this task. Any difficulties that may be advanced by students or professors must be overcome by the patient insistence of the bishops or religious superiors, and the good will of the professors.
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more at

bolchazy.com/al/pope.htm
 
Most major religions have a ‘sacred language’, one that is not commonly spoken, it is a language set apart for worship. Ours is Latin, it is the official language of the Church. Mass in the official language of Holy Mother Church is for many of us the purest form of worship. Not to mention the structure of the EF itself, organically developed over centuries, lends itself to a pure, vertical form of worship, fitting for God.
 
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thistle:
I spoke to a priest friend of mine and he thinks most seminaries no longer teach Latin.
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I have also spoken to a couple priest whom have said this as well.
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And yet interestingly enough, they are actually obliged to teach Latin, as ProVobis just pointed out.
 
Will_S said:
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Irish_Polock:
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thistle:
I spoke to a priest friend of mine and he thinks most seminaries no longer teach Latin.
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I have also spoken to a couple priest whom have said this as well.And yet interestingly enough, they are actually obliged to teach Latin, as ProVobis just pointed out.
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That is the way I understand the situation also.
 
Will_S said:
And yet interestingly enough, they are actually obliged to teach Latin, as ProVobis just pointed out.
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Odd that! If it is obligatory why would it seem so widespread to have dropped the teaching of Latin. Wouldn’t something like that be easily known to the Vatican?
 
thistle said:
Odd that! If it is obligatory why would it seem so widespread to have dropped the teaching of Latin. Wouldn’t something like that be easily known to the Vatican?
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I think the number of qualified Latin teachers in America that are available is quite small and it just might not be possible to teach every seminarian the language at this point in time.

If something can’t be done, well, it just not going to be done regardless of what requirements are imposed.
 
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