Latin Missal Translation

[Chatter163]

ICEL’s translation was issued in 1973. And I have no idea what translation was used from 1970-1973.

Actually, the 1970 missal, which began to be used on Advent Sunday, 1969, WAS the ICEL translation. A new typical edition was issued in 1974 and another in 2002, but the texts of the Order of Mass were and remain the ICEL translations created in the late 1960’s.

 

[Brother_John]

What in particular do you prefer?

I guess I could picture the SSLJ being formed in the future - The Society of the Saint Louis Jesuits.

James

More “common” language. I was only nine years old at the time, so it made Mass make a whole lot more sense.

Things like reworking the “Lord/Christ Have Mercy”. Remember it had three “Lords”, then three “Christs”, then three “Lords”, alternating between priest and people. To be honest, it sounded like some sort of school game, because the priest didn’t lead the “change” from Lord to Christ. It sort of reminded me of Rowan and Martin’s “that’s good, that’s bad” routine

Probably sounds dumb to you, but to a nine year old…

Some of the other prayers that seemed odd back then, made more sense after the 69-70 switch. But, now that I’m older, I can see where they were taken right out of scripture, the old way.

Oh well…I have no doubt, that the new missal won’t totally please either camp…

 

[James0235]

Actually, the 1970 missal, which began to be used on Advent Sunday, 1969, WAS the ICEL translation. A new typical edition was issued in 1974 and another in 2002, but the texts of the Order of Mass were and remain the ICEL translations created in the late 1960’s.

That makes some sense. But, why wasn’t it copyrighted until 1973?

** The English translation of The Roman Missal © 1973, International Committee on English in the Liturgy, Inc. All rights reserved.**
icelweb.org/copyright.htm

James

 

[ProVobis]

“I wonder, (and I’m NOT mocking traditionalists), if there will be pockets of Catholics who will seek out the 1970 Mass? People of all ages resist change, ya know…”

You’re absolutely right about that. I think the English Mass today still follows the 1975 Missal, though there is a more current version available.

Having said that, one good thing about the 1970 Novus Ordo was its sense to normalcy. Starting in 1963, liturgical changes were chaotic, nonuniform and very unstable. Led to different translations and many canons. Every Sunday became a surprise. The first Novus Ordo was rejected by the bishops in 1967. There were starting to use like 20 different canons in the Mass. in 1969 Pope Paul in effect then said “no more canons, Here are four that we should stick to.” And the rest is history.

 

[Brother_John]

“I wonder, (and I’m NOT mocking traditionalists), if there will be pockets of Catholics who will seek out the 1970 Mass? People of all ages resist change, ya know…”

You’re absolutely right about that. I think the English Mass today still follows the 1975 Missal, though there is a more current version available.

Having said that, one good thing about the 1970 Novus Ordo was its sense to normalcy. Starting in 1963, liturgical changes were chaotic, nonuniform and very unstable. Led to different translations and many canons. Every Sunday became a surprise. The first Novus Ordo was rejected by the bishops in 1967. There were starting to use like 20 different canons in the Mass. in 1969 Pope Paul in effect then said “no more canons, Here are four that we should stick to.” And the rest is history.

It seems that Eucharistic Prayer #4 never really caught on…but now we have SIX ?

 

[ProVobis]

“It seems that Eucharistic Prayer #4 never really caught on…but now we have SIX ?”

I never understood why more than one Canon was needed. It seems like a whole new theology is brought into the Mass when a different canon is used. Has probably lead to a lot of confusion about the nature of Mass.

 

[Brother_John]

“It seems that Eucharistic Prayer #4 never really caught on…but now we have SIX ?”

I never understand why more than one Canon was needed. It seems like a whole new theology is brought into the Mass when a different canon is used. Has probably lead to a lot of confusion about the nature of Mass.

I always felt that #1 should be used on Sundays, and that either #2 or #3 should be kept and used for weekdays, and the rest done away with. Six seems to be overboard.