Latin phrase for wedidng band

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There’s nothing wrong with getting a Latin inscription on your ring, period. Obviously couples are going to research it before doing it. 🤷
There’s no “obviously” about it. You got “nemo nisi mors” without knowing what “nemo” means. You can’t have researched thoroughly, or even much at all. Yours is a perfect example of the problem with getting an inscription in a language you don’t understand. Just be thankful you didn’t get it tattooed on your forehead. 🤷
 
There’s no “obviously” about it. You got “nemo nisi mors” without knowing what “nemo” means. You can’t have researched thoroughly, or even much at all. Yours is a perfect example of the problem with getting an inscription in a language you don’t understand. Just be thankful you didn’t get it tattooed on your forehead. 🤷
Honey, it’s time to drop the issue. Seriously.

I’ve posted about 3 times that I know exactly what “nemo” means and what the entire phrase means. And didn’t get the info from Google. Which wipes out 3 out of 3 of the things you’ve been accusing me of all over this thread. So let’s let it go, ok?
 
Honey, it’s time to drop the issue. Seriously.

I’ve posted about 3 times that I know exactly what “nemo” means and what the entire phrase means. And didn’t get the info from Google. Which wipes out 3 out of 3 of the things you’ve been accusing me of all over this thread. So let’s let it go, ok?
I will let it go when you do or when you admit that “nemo” never means “nothing.” Take your pick. (You are not going to convince me you researched well because both my dictionaries and my Latin Professors have informed me that I am right. However you researched, you were misinformed. Not that you can’t defend your inscription, so long as you have a fondness for Death personified…)
 
(… Not that you can’t defend your inscription, so long as you have a fondness for Death personified…)
I think anyone with a *fondness for Death personified *is in reasonable company.

[BIBLEDRB]Psalms 48:15[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Ecclesiasticus 41:1[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Ecclesiasticus 41:3[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Isaiah 28:15[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Isaiah 38:18[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Jeremiah 9:21[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Daniel 3:88[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Osee 13:14[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 15:26[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 15:55[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Apocalypse 6:8[/BIBLEDRB]

:twocents:
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I think anyone with a *fondness for Death personified *is in reasonable company.

[BIBLEDRB]Psalms 48:15[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Ecclesiasticus 41:1[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Ecclesiasticus 41:3[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Isaiah 28:15[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Isaiah 38:18[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Jeremiah 9:21[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Daniel 3:88[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Osee 13:14[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 15:26[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 15:55[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Apocalypse 6:8[/BIBLEDRB]

:twocents:
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I don’t care if people do. However, I don’t recall her expressing a fondness for Mr. Death. 🤷
 
Amor Vincit Omnia- Love Conquers All

My husband has this on his ring, and he loves it. He even got a tatoo on his ring finger, “AVO”, because when military is deployed overseas, they very often have to go for months without being able to wear a ring, and he wanted the ring with him always. Wow, how’s that run-on sentence for you? 🙂
Anyway, just another idea.
Good luck!

ps. I talked to a scholar frind of ours who knows Latin AND a couple of priests. All of them agreed on the Latin we used as being correct. And if it’s not, don’t let me know. I prefer ignorance. 😉 Nah, I trust our friends.
 
Amor Vincit Omnia- Love Conquers All

My husband has this on his ring, and he loves it. He even got a tatoo on his ring finger, “AVO”, because when military is deployed overseas, they very often have to go for months without being able to wear a ring, and he wanted the ring with him always. Wow, how’s that run-on sentence for you? 🙂
Anyway, just another idea.
Good luck!

ps. I talked to a scholar frind of ours who knows Latin AND a couple of priests. All of them agreed on the Latin we used as being correct. And if it’s not, don’t let me know. I prefer ignorance. 😉 Nah, I trust our friends.
You can’t get much more correct than Virgil. 👍
 
I don’t care if people do. However, I don’t recall her expressing a fondness for Mr. Death. 🤷
I have no problem actually with the Noone but death translation. As you have pointed out ad nauseum (and which we already knew ;)), that’s the word for word correct translation. But “Nothing but death…” is also a correct meaning. People have been using that phrase on their wedding bands for centuries now with the understanding that it means “Nothing but death will part us”. Do you assume that NONE OF THESE PEOPLE, throughout history, knew Latin and they’d be smacking their foreheads in embarassment now if they could read what GorgerCracker has to say on the subject?

You seem to be arguing that there is only one correct usage definition for any individual word in any language, and one only one correct contextual usage for any one word that is possible in any given language? (included but not limited to popular/traditional sayings)?
 
I have no problem actually with the Noone but death translation. As you have pointed out ad nauseum (and which we already knew ;)), that’s the word for word correct translation. But “Nothing but death…” is also a correct meaning. People have been using that phrase on their wedding bands for centuries now with the understanding that it means “Nothing but death will part us”. Do you assume that NONE OF THESE PEOPLE, throughout history, knew Latin and they’d be smacking their foreheads in embarassment now if they could read what GorgerCracker has to say on the subject?

You seem to be arguing that there is only one correct usage definition for any individual word in any language, and one only one correct contextual usage for any one word that is possible in any given language? (included but not limited to popular/traditional sayings)?
Dude, they used it to mean “no one but death” because they studied Latin, and they did know what it meant. People probably mistranslate it now because we modern people don’t like the concept of Death following us around, just waiting to cut us down when it’s least convenient.

“Nothing but death” is not a correct meaning for it. Get a grip on yourself. You said a long time ago that you would stop posting on this topic, so keep your word already. It’s the least you can do after torturing the poor Latin language to death with your constant and boring assertion of something that’s not true. Either embrace Death personified or put up with it. It’s what you’ve got. And yes, I even checked with one of my Latin professors on this. He agreed with me.
 
Dude, they used it to mean “no one but death” because they studied Latin, and they did know what it meant. People probably mistranslate it now because we modern people don’t like the concept of Death following us around, just waiting to cut us down when it’s least convenient.
“Probably”? excellent argument there. I’m telling you I have researched this thoroughly and the information is actually out there, although you’ve dismissed it because I presented it from a Google search. 🤷
“Nothing but death” is not a correct meaning for it.
…says you. For the *saying *“nemo nisis mors”, it is indeed a correct meaning. As is “Noone but death…” Again, you’re choosing to ignore everything I pointed out in my last post. And before you say “no, I’m not ignoring it, I just disagree”-- please show how the history of the very old adage “nemo nisi mors” *only *implies “no one but death”.
Get a grip on yourself. You said a long time ago that you would stop posting on this topic, so keep your word already. It’s the least you can do after torturing the poor Latin language to death with your constant and boring assertion of something that’s not true. Either embrace Death personified or put up with it. It’s what you’ve got. And yes, I even checked with one of my Latin professors on this. He agreed with me.
You’re such a polite, humble person to debate with, I must say, GC. Such graceful rhetoric.

Sarcasm aside, I changed my mind about posting again when you wouldn’t stop harping on the “correct definition of words” when I wasn’t even talking to you. Now go ask your Latin teacher the question I last posted to you which you ignored: Do you assert that there is only one correct usage definition for any individual word in any language, and one only one correct contextual usage for any one word in any given language? (included but not limited to popular/traditional sayings and adages?)
 
Dude, they used it to mean “no one but death” because they studied Latin, and they did know what it meant. People probably mistranslate it now because we modern people don’t like the concept of Death following us around, just waiting to cut us down when it’s least convenient.
“Probably”? excellent argument there. I’m telling you I have researched this thoroughly and the information is actually out there, although you’ve dismissed it because I presented it from a Google search. 🤷 I’ve also told you, repeatedly, that I have absolutely no problem with the personification of Death (as Advocatus Fidei and tee_eff_em explained it), not even in the phrase “nemo nisi mors”…I recognize the dual meaning of the adage. You’re only recognizing the one meaning for some reason. (Youth and stubborness, “probably”. :p)
“Nothing but death” is not a correct meaning for it.
…says you. For the *saying *“nemo nisis mors”, it is indeed a correct meaning. As is “Noone but death…” Again, you’re choosing to ignore everything I pointed out in my last post. And before you say “no, I’m not ignoring it, I just disagree”-- please show how the history of the very old adage “nemo nisi mors” *only *implies “no one but death”.
Get a grip on yourself. You said a long time ago that you would stop posting on this topic, so keep your word already. It’s the least you can do after torturing the poor Latin language to death with your constant and boring assertion of something that’s not true. Either embrace Death personified or put up with it. It’s what you’ve got. And yes, I even checked with one of my Latin professors on this. He agreed with me.
You’re such a polite, humble person to debate with, I must say, GC. Such graceful rhetoric.

Sarcasm aside, I changed my mind about posting again when you wouldn’t stop harping on the “correct definition of words” when I wasn’t even talking to you. Now go ask your Latin teacher the question I last posted to you which you ignored: Do you assert that there is only one correct usage definition for any individual word in any language, and one only one correct contextual usage for any one word in any given language? (included but not limited to popular/traditional sayings and adages?)
 
“Probably”? excellent argument there. I’m telling you I have researched this thoroughly and the information is actually out there, although you’ve dismissed it because I presented it from a Google search. 🤷 I’ve also told you, repeatedly, that I have absolutely no problem with the personification of Death (as Advocatus Fidei and tee_eff_em explained it), not even in the phrase “nemo nisi mors”…I recognize the dual meaning of the adage. You’re only recognizing the one meaning for some reason. (Youth and stubborness, “probably”. :p)
There are several meanings of nemo: no one, no man, nobody, and a nobody. I recognize the meanings that I find in Mr. Dictionary. Clearly not territory your “thorough research” strayed into.
…says you. For the *saying *“nemo nisis mors”, it is indeed a correct meaning. As is “Noone but death…” Again, you’re choosing to ignore everything I pointed out in my last post. And before you say “no, I’m not ignoring it, I just disagree”-- please show how the history of the very old adage “nemo nisi mors” *only *implies “no one but death”.
Says I and my Latin professor who has been reading Latin for about, oh, twenty years. But I’m sure you know much more than he does with your thorough Google searches and bad on-line sources.

I am not ignoring what you say. You are not backing it up with evidence. You keep saying, essentially, “It means ‘nothing’ because I say it does and I swear I saw somewhere that it does.” You’ll prove nothing to me with your on-line sources. Much of the information you find on-line about Latin is incorrect. Latin is difficult. People get it wrong all the time. There are many mistranslations. Our professors taught us to double-check everything in dictionaries, Latin Grammars, and actual books written by Latinists, which I did for this phrase.
You’re such a polite, humble person to debate with, I must say, GC. Such graceful rhetoric.
You are very humble yourself. I’ve never met someone who knew so little Latin argue about a Latin phrase’s meaning so strenuously. It comes across as very bizarre since you obviously still hardly understand what you’re talking about.
Sarcasm aside, I changed my mind about posting again when you wouldn’t stop harping on the “correct definition of words” when I wasn’t even talking to you. Now go ask your Latin teacher the question I last posted to you which you ignored: Do you assert that there is only one correct usage definition for any individual word in any language, and one only one correct contextual usage for any one word in any given language? (included but not limited to popular/traditional sayings and adages?)
So, when you said you’d stop posting, you lied. Got it.

My Latin Professor told me that the root of “nemo” is “ne” + “homo.” “Ne” negates the word following it here, and “homo” means human being. Since the word “human being” is contained in the root, it always refers to human beings, not to objects.

There are different contexts for words, naturally. Latin has a lot of words that have 10-20 meanings depending on the context. “Nemo” is not one of them.

Plenty of on-line sources translate the phrase correctly. Just get over your mistake, and translate it correctly from now on. If “nobody but death” was good enough for Queen Katarina Jagellonica, then surely you can put up with it.
 
There are several meanings of nemo: no one, no man, nobody, and a nobody. I recognize the meanings that I find in Mr. Dictionary. Clearly not territory your “thorough research” strayed into.
Once again, GC. I KNOW what nemo means. Everyone on this thread does at this point. That’s not what we’re debating. We know what your dictionary says. The totality of the phrase “nemo nisi mors” can be translated as “no one/nobody but death” **or **“nothing but death” will part us. That’s all my point is.
Says I and my Latin professor who has been reading Latin for about, oh, twenty years. But I’m sure you know much more than he does with your thorough Google searches and bad on-line sources.
I am not ignoring what you say. You are not backing it up with evidence. You keep saying, essentially, “It means ‘nothing’ because I say it does and I swear I saw somewhere that it does.”
Nope, haven’t said that “nemo” means “nothing” at all. Not once. You made that up, just like you’ve made up the accusation (for the fifth time now) that all my research comes from online searches. Both accusations are lies and I’ve refuted both several times now.

We’re talking about the meaning of an adage. About contextual meaning as regards the usage of a word in a popular/traditional saying. You seem to be saying that it’s impossible for the phrase “nemo nisi mors” to mean *anything *other than “no one but death”…even though you seem to ackowledge that (in any other example, I suppose ) context can alter meaning. As you say here:
There are different contexts for words, naturally. Latin has a lot of words that have 10-20 meanings depending on the context. “Nemo” is not one of them.
Ok cool, so you do (sorta) understand the point. But *nemo *isn’t one of those words, really? How do you figure that? Is there a list? If the context can alter the total meaning of a phrase, as you admit, then why do you say that “nemo nisi mors” doesn’t qualify? Especially when throughout history the phrase has been documented as being interpreted with both meanings?
 
Once again, GC. I KNOW what nemo means. Everyone on this thread does at this point. That’s not what we’re debating. We know what your dictionary says. The totality of the phrase “nemo nisi mors” can be translated as “no one/nobody but death” **or **“nothing but death” will part us. That’s all my point is.
It never means 'nothing by death" because “nemo” does not mean “nothing.” You can’t translate the whole phrase as “nothing but death” because the word “nothing”, and the idea of “nothing” are both absent. I’m sorry this is a hard concept for you to grasp. Your whole point is that you can translate is wrong because other people before you have done so. But you have no excuse to screw up the translation because you now know what all the words in the phrase mean.
Nope, haven’t said that “nemo” means “nothing” at all. Not once. You made that up, just like you’ve made up the accusation (for the fifth time now) that all my research comes from online searches. Both accusations are lies and I’ve refuted both several times now.
You have only mentioned on-line sources, and I can’t read your mind. What was your other source? A cereal box? A cool tattoo you saw? A magazine ad? That seems to be about the quality of your information.
We’re talking about the meaning of an adage. About contextual meaning as regards the usage of a word in a popular/traditional saying. You seem to be saying that it’s impossible for the phrase “nemo nisi mors” to mean *anything *other than “no one but death”…even though you seem to ackowledge that (in any other example, I suppose ) context can alter meaning.
Dude, context can help you determine the meaning of the words. But context does not alter the meaning of the words. It certainly doesn’t make an alleged adage mean whatever ac claire wants it to mean because she already got her wedding ring engraved.
Ok cool, so you do (sorta) understand the point. But *nemo *isn’t one of those words, really? How do you figure that? Is there a list? If the context can alter the total meaning of a phrase, as you admit, then why do you say that “nemo nisi mors” doesn’t qualify? Especially when throughout history the phrase has been documented as being interpreted with both meanings?
Dear Lord. I know it’s not one of those words because I looked it up in the dictionary and talked to my professor. I have also been reading Latin for years. Since context does not give words meanings they do not have, I know that context does not give “nemo” whatever meaning you want it to have.

Sorry, kiddo. Unless you can come up with a more reputable source, all you’re going to do is bore me with your unsupported arguments. The phrase “traditionally” means “nobody but death.” You were misinformed. Get over it and please stop boring me to death with whatever stray thought comes into your head. It’s getting so old, and you just keep proving that you didn’t research thoroughly and you are now suffering for it. I will remember you as a cautionary tale. Nothing more.
 
Okay, I’ve searched through previous threads for something similar, and while there are similar threads, none had anything I wanted.

So, as you can see from my ticker, my fiance and I are getting married soon. I’d really love to put a Latin phrase on the inside of his ring. I just can’t decide on what. And not knowing Latin, it’s hard.

I really wanted something that said something along the lines of “in God forever” or “through God forever” or something similar. Basically of the idea that God is the center of our marriage, as He has been through all of our 5 year relationship so far. But googling these phrases has come up with nothing.

Anyone know Latin? Or even suggest other good phrases?

Thanks for any help!!
You’ve had a lot of suggestions, five pages that I can see; but since you asked for “Other good phrases,” I’ll offer the following:

How about something quite meaningful in English that your soon-to-be husband can instinctively understand?

Like: “If you’re reading this, put the ring back on.”
 
You’ve had a lot of suggestions, five pages that I can see; but since you asked for “Other good phrases,” I’ll offer the following:

How about something quite meaningful in English that your soon-to-be husband can instinctively understand?

Like: “If you’re reading this, put the ring back on.”
:rotfl:

Si potes legere, repone annulum

:rotfl:
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It’s possible the word “means” has gotten overloaded in this discussion. Maybe everyone could agree that
  • “Nemo nisi mors” means “no one but death”. That is, according to the syntax and semantics of good Latin and English, the two phrases are the only accurate translations of each other.
  • “Nemo nisi mors” expresses “nothing but death”. That is, according to the semantics that get applied above and beyond languages (the sort of semantics that tells us that “it’s chilly in here” really means “turn on the heater”), the two phrases share the same import.
Whether one finds it tacky to use personification in place of abstraction is pretty much a matter of taste. Chaque un a son gout, or whatever.
 
You’ve had a lot of suggestions, five pages that I can see; but since you asked for “Other good phrases,” I’ll offer the following:

How about something quite meaningful in English that your soon-to-be husband can instinctively understand?

Like: “If you’re reading this, put the ring back on.”
:rotfl:

Although I trust him a bit more than that. So I think I’ll pass 😉
 
It’s possible the word “means” has gotten overloaded in this discussion. Maybe everyone could agree that
  • “Nemo nisi mors” means “no one but death”. That is, according to the syntax and semantics of good Latin and English, the two phrases are the only accurate translations of each other.
  • “Nemo nisi mors” expresses “nothing but death”. That is, according to the semantics that get applied above and beyond languages (the sort of semantics that tells us that “it’s chilly in here” really means “turn on the heater”), the two phrases share the same import.
Whether one finds it tacky to use personification in place of abstraction is pretty much a matter of taste. Chaque un a son gout, or whatever.
I think this is a good post. I personally don’t think the “personification” of death is tacky at all… The two meanings aren’t that different and they’re not opposites in any way. (Which is why I’ve never seen anyone make a big deal out of it before this thread maybe? lol) They’re complementary. Nothing or nobody except death will part us.
 
It’s possible the word “means” has gotten overloaded in this discussion. Maybe everyone could agree that
  • “Nemo nisi mors” means “no one but death”. That is, according to the syntax and semantics of good Latin and English, the two phrases are the only accurate translations of each other.
  • “Nemo nisi mors” expresses “nothing but death”. That is, according to the semantics that get applied above and beyond languages (the sort of semantics that tells us that “it’s chilly in here” really means “turn on the heater”), the two phrases share the same import.
Whether one finds it tacky to use personification in place of abstraction is pretty much a matter of taste. Chaque un a son gout, or whatever.
I think this is a good post. I personally don’t think the “personification” of death is tacky at all… The two meanings aren’t that different and they’re not opposites in any way. (Which is why I’ve never seen anyone make a big deal out of it before this thread maybe? lol) They’re complementary. Nothing or nobody except death will part us.
Funny you like his post when he agrees with me. “Nobody but death” and “nothing but death” express similar sentiments, but “nemo nisi mors” can only accurately be translated “nobody but death” because that is what it means and it only means that, no matter what sentiment it expresses.
 
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