Latin Rite Catholics Only: Ritual Transfer

[twiztedseraph]

I meant the tridentine mass, my apologies, however I have seen it a time or two referred to as a “rite”.

 

[m134e5]

I love the Latin Rite. If they were to bring back the Missal used in England before Henry VII split away, and form a rite from that, I would consider attending from time to time because I love the English style of liturgy and sacred music- I will always be devoted to the Latin Rite though. I make my voice heard, and will continue to do so, to help preserve it.

 

[JOHNYJ]

The idea of an " American " Byzantine Catholic church has been floating around for years. The Ruthenian Catholic church has made moves in that direction,which has caused great stress in that church. Many have left and joined the Russo-carpathian Orthodox church. Which was originaly founded by Ruthenian Catholics in the 1920’s
In the Orthodox world the Othrodox church in America .Which use to be the Russian Orthodox church in America.Has also made noises about becoming that, the American Orthodox church. Complicating the situation is the continued existance of Patriarchal parishes of the Russian Orthodox church and the Russian Orthodox church outside Russia.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

itsallgrace:

I am VERY interested in attending a Byzantine rite mass…it sounds so beautiful from what I’ve heard on EWTN (the ritual, the reverance, the music…). Unfortunately, there’s nothing within an hour’s drive.

Byzantine is only one of many Eastern Rites in the Catholic Church. You can check MassTimes for other Rites that may be closer to you. The Eastern Rites Churches will have the Rite in parentheses (). The ones in brackets ] are ethnic Latin Rite parishes.

For example, where I live in Detroit, the Chaldean Catholic Church has a number of parishes and their Cathedral is only about a half mile away from me. There is also Byzantine, Maronite, Melkite, and Ukranian Catholic Churches near where I live.

PF

 

[JKirkLVNV]

adventistnomore:

Haha, why was it called that?

I’m sorry, A. I meant to get back to this and spaced it! We called it the “Star Wars” Prayer of Consecration because part of it went like this:

"God of all power, Ruler of the Universe, you are worthy of glory and praise.

At your command all things came to be: the vast expanse of interstellar space, galaxies, suns, the planets in their courses, and this fragile Earth, our island home.

From the primal elements, you brought forth the human race, and blessed us with memory, reason, and skill. You made us the rulers of creation. But we turned against you, and betrayed your trust; and we turned against one another." (The Book of Common Prayer)

Can’t you just see God as Jean Luc Piccard, saying,“Make it so!”

 

[mgarstin]

“the vast expanse of interstellar space” LOL, that is completely ridiculous.

…

B16 needs to give some of those people a noogy.

 

[Rosalinda]

I started going to Ukrainian Catholic Church two years ago after years of suffering from the arrogance and abuse of Latin rite priests. It was very difficult and confusing at first to follow the prayers of the Divine Liturgy. Even so, it was worth the effort as the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is so wondrously beautiful that frequently I will turn back the page to reread what has just been recited so incredibly rich and deep are the prayers. Not only that, my parish priest although elderly is not afraid to preach about the current issues of our day; yesterday, for example, he decried the abuse of embryonic stem cell research. At every Mass he prays for an end to abortion. Before bill C-38 passed in Canada he prayed daily in the Mass for protection of the institution of marriage. Apart from the beautiful text and sermons the interior of the church with an entire wall of paintings/icons with candles in front for parishionners to light is a bonus.

My only regret is not making the change years ago but then I didn’t know the Catholic church was bigger than just the latin rite and I had the freedom to transfer to another rite. As for the feastdays not always coinciding between the two rites, no problem: I get to celebrate twice.

 

[severinus]

I was fortunate to grow up in an area which included Maronites and Byzantines as well as my own Roman Rite. There are also two indult Masses in the area. I have been to all of these and find great beauty in them; they are all examples of the Church’s universality and richness. I partcularly like the Byzantine Good Friday services.

 

[legeorge]

I just attended my first Byzantine Mass this past Saturday night at the Shrine near my home as part of the Assumption pilgrimage. It is a Maronite Rite Shrine, so I am used to going to the Maronite Mass there, which I love, but this was an amazing experience! There were so many priests on the altar, not to mention several bishops (Melkite, Maronite and Ukranian I believe) and the Archbishop for the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh was the presiding. I was in heaven! It was so absolutely beautiful! I have often considered joining a Maronite parish. Now I feel the same way about the Byzantine Rite. But my husband is absolutely a steadfast Roman Rite kind of guy. He likes going to the different Masses, but would never completely change over, I’m afraid, although we are currently seriously considering joining a nearby Traditional Latin parish that is in full communion with the Pope. We have definately decided to leave our current parish and this seems like the best fit for us (even though we are a little intimidated by the Latin Mass, being in our early 30s). So, can I ask you all to please pray for us in discerning a new parish home that will help us and our children on our spiritual journey? Thank you.

 

[prv]

Sorry for bringing up very old posts. How do we get an eastern Catholic liturgy celebrated in our area? Especially if you are a Latin? There is a Maronite one near where I live, I am also interested in knowing what a Byzantine one is like and receiving Holy Communion from it (I’ve been to a Greek Orthodox liturgy 4 years ago).

 

[stadre]

It was my understanding that you cannot actually change rites. You could attend a different rite church, but the rite in which you were baptized is yours for life.

Please correct me if I have the wrong information.

 

[THutch04]

In all honesty, I’ve attended Divine Liturgies, and have since made friends with Eastern Catholics, and while I do feel more at home in the Eastern Churches, it’s not a change I think I can make. If I had the cultural connections to the Eastern Rites, then it would be a possibility. Now, if they were to form an Anglican Rite, that’s where I would be…

 

[MyPhilomena]

well, i don’t know what you mean by transfer, but i prefer the TLM.

 

[Rolltide]

It was my understanding that you cannot actually change rites. You could attend a different rite church, but the rite in which you were baptized is yours for life.

Please correct me if I have the wrong information.

You are allowed to change rites, but it can only be done once in your life, to emphasize the seriousness of the change. Simply enjoying one version of the liturgy over the other is not a valid enough reason to change. You actually have to be drawn to the subtle theological variants and so on. As any Catholic can attend any of the various liturgies anyway, it’s fairly uncommon to actually change rites.

 

[Kielbasi]

It certainly is possible to ritually transfer from one rite to another, but in 99.99% of all cases it would be a pointless move.

Catholics are certainly permitted to attend liturgies of any rite, and are permitted to receive the sacraments in any rite.

Unless someone is planning to join an order, or seeking ordination, I wouldn’t know why they would bother.

 

[adventistnomore]

Not necessarily Kielbasi,

I’m caught between the Roman and Byzantine rites because I find myself craving the observance of the Byzantine liturgical disciplines (e.g., fasting laws for weekday or season; pre-communion fasting; days of obligation). As a Roman Rite Catholic, I am bound to the strictures of my rite, even if I regularly attend/visit a church of a different rite. Observing a completely different inventory of cycles and disciplines, I would lose the fullness of the Eastern Christian experience, which transcends mere attendance of the divine liturgy. I must question myself: am I an Eastern Christian at heart–24/7? If so, ritual transfer is appropriate.

 

[Vox_Borealis]

Not necessarily Kielbasi,

I’m caught between the Roman and Byzantine rites because I find myself craving the observance of the Byzantine liturgical disciplines (e.g., fasting laws for weekday or season; pre-communion fasting; days of obligation). As a Roman Rite Catholic, I am bound to the strictures of my rite, even if I regularly attend/visit a church of a different rite. Observing a completely different inventory of cycles and disciplines, I would lose the fullness of the Eastern Christian experience, which transcends mere attendance of the divine liturgy. I must question myself: am I an Eastern Christian at heart–24/7? If so, ritual transfer is appropriate.

I’m in a similar boat, sort of. I toyed with Byzantine Catholic for a while, for aesthetic, historical, and ecleesial issues. But the eastern rites do seem bound up in cultural/ethnic traditions that I simply do not share. In the end, I find that I prefer the aesthetics of eastern rites (or even for the older Latin mass) but cannot detatch myself from my own cultural heritage–the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic church.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Why is the question only for Catholics of the Latin Church?

 

[kleary]

I posted “never” only due to the fact that there is a “Traditional Roman Rite” within 30 minutes driving distance!

If not for that I would definitely drive 30 minutes to an Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy.

Ken

 

[puzzleannie]

I just attended my first Byzantine Mass this past Saturday night at the Shrine near my home as part of the Assumption pilgrimage. It is a Maronite Rite Shrine, so I am used to going to the Maronite Mass there, which I love, but this was an amazing experience! There were so many priests on the altar, not to mention several bishops (Melkite, Maronite and Ukranian I believe) and the Archbishop for the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh was the presiding. I was in heaven! It was so absolutely beautiful! I have often considered joining a Maronite parish.

when we lived in the Youngstown diocese we traveled over an hour to attend Mass at the shrine of OL of Lebanon in Jackson OH. The Maronite Rite Mass is sublime. No one who regularly worships in this or a similar rite could ever entertain the slightest doubt about the Real Presence in the Eucharist, or miss the connection between Heaven and the Mass.