Latin, tridentine, EF, trad

[on_the_hill]

Are the words Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Form, and Traditional Mass synonymous?

 

[Casilda]

A friend of mine would take me to the Latin mass at the cathedral, yet the cathedral lists it as both the EF or Traditional mass. So am I assuming wrongly that its interchangeable?

 

[PaulfromIowa]

Are the words Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Form, and Traditional Mass synonymous?

The Latin Mass according to the 1962 Missal is often called the Traditional Latin Mass, Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite, or even the Tridentine Mass.

Not all Latin Masses are from the 1962 Missal, however, as the current Missal can be said in Latin, as well as many other languages for which there are approved translations.

 

[phil19034]

Are the words Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Form, and Traditional Mass synonymous?

yes and no.

While most people refer to “Latin Mass” to mean the Extraordinary Form, the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite can be in Latin. Also, there are a few other Latin Masses that are NOT the Roman Rite that still exist (Ambrosian Rite, Rite of Braga, Mozarabic Rite, Carmelite Rite, Dominican Rite, etc) - all of which are part of the Catholic Church.

“Tridentine Mass” is the Roman Rite Mass from after the Council of Trent. There were several Missal edits between the Council and 1970. For example: some sedevacantist use Tridentine Mass Missals from the 1950s

The Extraordinary Form means the 1962 Missal of the “Tridentine Mass,” which is in Latin.

And the term “Traditional Mass” could also be applied to any mass that is performed with reverence and in a solemn manner.

So yes, while most people mean them to be synonymous, it possible that the terms are not. So the I highly recommend using “Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite” or Extraordinary Form, which we always know is in union with Rome and is the actual 1962 Roman Missal.

God Bless

 

[corsair]

Good answer, Phil19034.

 

[OraLabora]

yes and no.

While most people refer to “Latin Mass” to mean the Extraordinary Form, the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite can be in Latin. Also, there are a few other Latin Masses that are NOT the Roman Rite that still exist (Ambrosian Rite, Rite of Braga, Mozarabic Rite, Carmelite Rite, Dominican Rite, etc) - all of which are part of the Catholic Church.

“Tridentine Mass” is the Roman Rite Mass from after the Council of Trent. There were several Missal edits between the Council and 1970. For example: some sedevacantist use Tridentine Mass Missals from the 1950s

The Extraordinary Form means the 1962 Missal of the “Tridentine Mass,” which is in Latin.

And the term “Traditional Mass” could also be applied to any mass that is performed with reverence and in a solemn manner.

So yes, while most people mean them to be synonymous, it possible that the terms are not. So the I highly recommend using “Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite” or Extraordinary Form, which we always know is in union with Rome and is the actual 1962 Roman Missal.

God Bless

This is pretty much it. I think it’s important to stress that the OF Mass can be in part or entirely Latin and I have been to such Masses that are very beautiful; our local abbey uses Latin Gregorian chant for the Propers and Ordinary every day, and French plainchant for the rest. I’ve been to OF Masses in Italy and in Canada entirely in Latin. When properly done, they leave little to be desired.

 

[Denise1957]

Are the words Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Form, and Traditional Mass synonymous?

While the terms ‘Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary form and Traditional Mass’ are synonymous with the non-Ordinary Form of the Mass, the Ordinary Form can be said in Latin, though I’ve never seen it done, and it’s not the norm, since the majority of Ordinary Form Masses are said in the vernacular.

But I have used the terms ‘Latin Mass’ myself quite often to refer to the Extraordinary Form, due to the reason that the Extraordinary Form is said exclusively in Latin, so that’s how most folks see it. So it’s okay to use any of the terms in your OP, really, to refer to the Old Mass (also a term I sometimes use for it).

I attend a Dominican parish, so when they have, on occasion, the EF, it’s the Dominican Rite, which is a bit different than the 1962 Roman Rite, which Phil has already mentioned here on the thread.

 

[on_the_hill]

Thanks everyone.

Years ago I happened to be in the pew at my mom’s parish when the priest did an OF Latin, as a one-time event.

 

[godisgood77]

Are the words Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Form, and Traditional Mass synonymous?

The Church refers to the mass according to the 1962 missal or earlier as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite… I would stick with the Church’s nomenclature. Many who use the other words have an agenda and/or and ax to grind.

 

[godisgood77]

And the term “Traditional Mass” could also be applied to any mass that is performed with reverence and in a solemn manner.

Thanks for the thoughtful response Phil… I don’t really agree with the statement above. I travel extensively for work and try to attend mass in the cities I find myself in. Most often they are celebrated in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite and most often they are celebrated with reverence and in a solemn manner.

It would not be a proper distinction to assign the virtues of reverence and solemn celebration to the Extraordinary Form in contrast to the Ordinary Form

 

[ProVobis]

Years ago I happened to be in the pew at my mom’s parish when the priest did an OF Latin, as a one-time event.

FWIW, one of the ways someone would know the difference between a Latin OF and the EF is by the silence of the Canon among the other prayers in the latter. Many prefer amplification and ad populum. Of course, many others don’t.

 

[phil19034]

Thanks for the thoughtful response Phil… I don’t really agree with the statement above. I travel extensively for work and try to attend mass in the cities I find myself in. Most often they are celebrated in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite and most often they are celebrated with reverence and in a solemn manner.

It would not be a proper distinction to assign the virtues of reverence and solemn celebration to the Extraordinary Form in contrast to the Ordinary Form

The fact that you disagree is exactly my point. While rare today (since the EF is allowed) I’ve seen OF Masses described as “traditional” due to their music.

For example:

Low English Mass (no singing) at 7:30am
Traditional English mass with chant at 9:30 am
Charismatic mass at 11am
Spanish Mass at 1pm
Teen Mass at 6pm (1st, 2nd and 4th Sunday)

In such a description as above, the parish would be describing the music, not really the liturgy since all would be the OF. But this is also an example of how “traditional mass” doesn’t necessarily mean the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.

God Bless

 

[GoGoDiego]

Are the words Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Form, and Traditional Mass synonymous?

Yes, except the name Latin Mass. A Latin Mass could be either in the Extraordinary or Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. When this name should be used, the specification “according to the OF/EF” is mentioned.