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Harpazo
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Sadly, pews are actually a “Protestantization.” Somehow in the late 1500s and 1600s the Latins began putting pews in their churches like the Protestants.Well, the Melkite church I went to this morning had pews. That is a complete Latinization. I think this is not good (although chairs for elderly and sick people is good).
In Christ,
Andrew
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Harpazo
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Well, it was not actually the same rosary as some Byzantine Catholics would like to say. With St. Seraphim, it was a prayer rule, not the Dominican Rosary.
In Christ,
Andrew
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NoWings
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What’s the rosary Byzantine Catholics would like to say? I figured St Seraphim’s would suffice nicely.Well, it was not actually the same rosary as some Byzantine Catholics would like to say. With St. Seraphim, it was a prayer rule, not the Dominican Rosary.
In Christ,
Andrew
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Diak
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St. Elias is a wonderful parish and anyone who is even remotely close should attend if they can. Archpriest Roman and the parish community are very welcoming, and you will not forget the beauty of their services. They started out in a Latin high-school and moved to an unused prison chapel before moving to the current incredible temple. Archpriest Roman has impacted many, many of our parishes and clergy (me being among them).
Erin - you have to make to with what you can in mission country. We also started a UGCC mission here in eastern Kansas from scratch, and after a couple of services inside a Latin parish church we found an unused Latin school classroom that faced east where we did not have to move everything when we wanted to have a service (and it was open and thus pews were not an issue).
Erin - you have to make to with what you can in mission country. We also started a UGCC mission here in eastern Kansas from scratch, and after a couple of services inside a Latin parish church we found an unused Latin school classroom that faced east where we did not have to move everything when we wanted to have a service (and it was open and thus pews were not an issue).
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Angel_Gabriel
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well what will probably happen is that we will hold Divine Liturgy at my Latin parish. Currently we only have about 6 people in our mission…we’re hoping to increase the growth of it though and soon! any ideas for growing a mission?St. Elias is a wonderful parish and anyone who is even remotely close should attend if they can. Archpriest Roman and the parish community are very welcoming, and you will not forget the beauty of their services. They started out in a Latin high-school and moved to an unused prison chapel before moving to the current incredible temple. Archpriest Roman has impacted many, many of our parishes and clergy (me being among them).
Erin - you have to make to with what you can in mission country. We also started a UGCC mission here in eastern Kansas from scratch, and after a couple of services inside a Latin parish church we found an unused Latin school classroom that faced east where we did not have to move everything when we wanted to have a service (and it was open and thus pews were not an issue).
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bpbasilphx
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I rather like the name Prayer Rule of the Theotokos myself.Well, it was not actually the same rosary as some Byzantine Catholics would like to say. With St. Seraphim, it was a prayer rule, not the Dominican Rosary.
In Christ,
Andrew
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bkovacs
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Wrong!. Allot of Greek Orthodox Churches have pews as well.Well, the Melkite church I went to this morning had pews. That is a complete Latinization. I think this is not good (although chairs for elderly and sick people is good).
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bkovacs
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Well, start advocating more devotion to the Jesus prayer and the prayer rope, vs the Latin rosary. Also have Eastern Catholic nuns dress more like Eastern Orthodox nuns vs Roman Catholic nuns. To name a few.i’ve been reading alot about this and I really wonder what are some of the latinizations that Eastern Catholics really would like to change?
I’ve been looking around for Eastern Catholic churches in the US and the ones who have websites often have references to First Holy Communion (mostly I’ve found this to be true with the Maronite or Chaldean churches). i thought that was a Latin/Roman custom to separate the Sacraments of Initiation? Am I wrong or is this an example of a latinization?
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German_Melkite
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I don’t think it is “fair” to call pews a Latinization. I would suggest they are more of a modernization. Sitting has never been “theologically forbidden,” rather standing has been encouraged or preferred. Pews were not imposed or favored because they made the church more Western. This wasn’t an imitation of a Roman practice, it was a genuine convenience desired by modern congregants. I would consider pews exactly like central heating, air conditioning, or electric lighting. None of those things are “part of our tradition.” We use none of those things because of the theological imposition of the Roman hierarchy or because of our acculturation to Western ideas.
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mardukm
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I know that what I am about to say is diffferent from what has been talked about in this thread so far, but since the title of the thread is “Latinizations,” I though it might be relevant to mention it.
A long time ago, I had a conversation with an EO Christian who, while complaining about the Latinizations going on in the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches, mentioned the practice of signing the cross from left to right. It was such a small thing, and I never thought much about it. But the question came up in the “Differences between Catholics and Orthodox” thread that was recently moved to the Non-Catholic Religions Forum.
For anyone interested in the little factoid, signing from left to right is the legitimate tradition of the Oriental Orthodox Churches. If one sees an Oriental Catholic signing from left to right, it is not a Latinization.
Having said that, I am interested to know how the Churches in the COE (Church of the East) Tradition do it - right to left or left to right?
Blessings,
Marduk
A long time ago, I had a conversation with an EO Christian who, while complaining about the Latinizations going on in the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches, mentioned the practice of signing the cross from left to right. It was such a small thing, and I never thought much about it. But the question came up in the “Differences between Catholics and Orthodox” thread that was recently moved to the Non-Catholic Religions Forum.
For anyone interested in the little factoid, signing from left to right is the legitimate tradition of the Oriental Orthodox Churches. If one sees an Oriental Catholic signing from left to right, it is not a Latinization.
Having said that, I am interested to know how the Churches in the COE (Church of the East) Tradition do it - right to left or left to right?
Blessings,
Marduk
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Madaglan
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Didn’t the Protestants popularize pews in churches? Looking back up, I see Harpazo mentioned this as well.I don’t think it is “fair” to call pews a Latinization. I would suggest they are more of a modernization. Sitting has never been “theologically forbidden,” rather standing has been encouraged or preferred. Pews were not imposed or favored because they made the church more Western. This wasn’t an imitation of a Roman practice, it was a genuine convenience desired by modern congregants. I would consider pews exactly like central heating, air conditioning, or electric lighting. None of those things are “part of our tradition.” We use none of those things because of the theological imposition of the Roman hierarchy or because of our acculturation to Western ideas.
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fritzz_ezz
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We don’t. For a while some Roman Rite Catholics in our Church did until Father put a stop to it. He replaced it with the Third Hour.i thought the Rosary was a Latin church tradition. i had no idea that the Eastern Churches say it as well.
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fritzz_ezz
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We are taught to pray the Jesus prayer on the way to the Divine Liturgy to prepare ourself.Well, start advocating more devotion to the Jesus prayer and the prayer rope, vs the Latin rosary. Also have Eastern Catholic nuns dress more like Eastern Orthodox nuns vs Roman Catholic nuns. To name a few.
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fritzz_ezz
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Yes and reason for them in USA.Didn’t the Protestants popularize pews in churches? Looking back up, I see Harpazo mentioned this as well.
In Eastern Europe, there is seating aound the walls for those who need to sit and I’d like to see the same in our Church.
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John_Augustine
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I should point out that Latin churches originally didn’t have pews either. They’re a reformation thing. All the medieval cathedrals in England lack pews; they only had choir stalls and benches around the walls. Nowadays chairs are used in the nave so they can be removed when they want the Cathedral to look as it used to. (ie Catholic)Well, the Melkite church I went to this morning had pews. That is a complete Latinization. I think this is not good (although chairs for elderly and sick people is good).
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Patchunky
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Depends on where you’re at in Eastern Europe.In Eastern Europe, there is seating aound the walls for those who need to sit and I’d like to see the same in our Church.
Eastern Catholic and Orthodox churches have pews in them in Slovakia and Hungary:thumbsup:
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Cluny
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Pewlessness is not mentioned in the Creed among the marks of the Church, but our services do make more sense without them.
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