Latinizing Religious Orders

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This is fascinating! It also shows how Rome itself has really no idea about Eastern monasticism.

As you know, Eastern monastics are simply such - monastics. But they can and do follow a particular Rule of a Holy Father. In the East, monastics may follow the Pachomian Rule or the Rules of St Basil the Great (which is the most widespread). There are some Antonians as well. When St Paissy Velichkovsky brought in his monastic reform based on the Prayer of Jesus, many monasteries throughout Eastern Europe adopted it. The Rule of St Benedict is recognized by the Orthodox Church as well. Orthodox monastics could follow it.

But traditionally no Eastern monastic would refer to himself or herself as belonging to a religious “Order” as such since Orders are an entirely Roman Catholic affair. They don’t put letters at the end of their names either. So one could not tell what rule or set of rules an Orthodox monastic would be following until he or she told us or if we found out from their website 😉 .

Apart from the fact that St Benedict outlines the Daily Office from within his own Western tradition, there is nothing about the Benedictine Rule that could not be adopted by an Eastern Catholic or Eastern Orthodox monastic. It does not have to be a kind of “Byzantine branch of a Western Order.”

As an EC Benedictine Oblate, I follow the spirituality of my Particular Church and read the Rule of St Benedict.

If Rome asked me to choose between St Benedict or the Byzantine tradition, I would tell Rome that I choose both and, thank you very much, please do not tell me how I am to understand my Eastern spiritual heritage.

If Rome was so adamant about the UGCC being entirely true to its Eastern patrimony, then**** ROME WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE UGCC PATRIARCHATE.****
Why would this be being true to it’s Eastern patrimony? Isn’t there already a Patriarch of Kiev? 😃
 
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Why would this be being true to it’s Eastern patrimony? Isn’t there already a Patriarch of Kiev? 😃

Yes, and I’ve no problem with him either. I was thinking of printing colour copies of his portrait with these words underneath - “My Patriarch Too” 😃
 
If Rome was so adamant you think they would discourage people like myself.
From doing what, Brother David? You mean being a Carmelite?

Rome really has no idea about Eastern Catholics - I guess it would expect us all to grow beards as a way to show we’re really “Eastern!” I don’t mind being critical of Vatican bureaucrats - in this I’m inspired by some of our Traditional Roman Catholic brothers.

Alex
 
Yes, if they tell a monastery to be Byzantine or Benedictine then why didn’t the Oriental Congregation tell me to be Carmelite or Byzantine?
By the letter of the code, they should have. The only eplanation that fits: oikonomia.
 
Yes, if they tell a monastery to be Byzantine or Benedictine then why didn’t the Oriental Congregation tell me to be Carmelite or Byzantine?
Perhaps one day that congregation will tell all EC’s to be either Roman Catholic or Orthodox . . . Their actions to date seem to be saying just that . . .

You are the greatest, however!! 🙂

Alex
 
By the letter of the code, they should have. The only eplanation that fits: oikonomia.
Please point out the “letter of the code” that says they should have done so.

Here is the actual Canon that applies and we followed.

Canon 517
1.
One is admitted validly to the novitiate of an order or congregation who has completed the seventeenth year of age. In respect to other requirements for admission to the novitiate cann. 448, 450, 452, and 454 shall be observed.
2. No one is admitted lawfully to the novitiate of a religious institute of another
Church sui iuris without the permission of the Apostolic See, unless it is a candidate who is destined for a province or house, mentioned in can. 432, of the same Church.

Specifically 517 #2. I received approval from the Oriental Congregation. It had nothing to do with oikonomia, it was canonical.
 
Yes, if they tell a monastery to be Byzantine or Benedictine then why didn’t the Oriental Congregation tell me to be Carmelite or Byzantine?
It did it one case I know of…Fr. Joseph the former Abbot of Holy Transfiguration Monastery wanted to become a Trappist, but needed the permission of his bishop and Rome…they both told him to go to Holy Transfiguration if he wanted to be a monk…and hes been there for a good number of years now.
 
It did it one case I know of…Fr. Joseph the former Abbot of Holy Transfiguration Monastery wanted to become a Trappist, but needed the permission of his bishop and Rome…they both told him to go to Holy Transfiguration if he wanted to be a monk…and hes been there for a good number of years now.
Thats strange, no where in the Canons does it give any such thing to the bishop, only Rome must approve.
 
Thats strange, no where in the Canons does it give any such thing to the bishop, only Rome must approve.
This would have happened over 25 years ago…long before we had a code of canon law…my guess is that Fr. Joseph or the Trappist Abbot contacted the Ukrainian Bishop to find out what to do and thats how things played out…just a guess though. :🤷
 
This would have happened over 25 years ago…long before we had a code of canon law…my guess is that Fr. Joseph or the Trappist Abbot contacted the Ukrainian Bishop to find out what to do and thats how things played out…just a guess though. :🤷
Yeah, could be. I do not know how the old Canon dealt with this situation.

As for my case, the Metropolitian and another eparchial bishop were aware of my vocational discernment. They did not seem interested. I never contacted my bishop as I was not attending one of his parishes, I went to a Melkite parish, as the closest Ruthenian was 1-1.5 hours away.

Also my case differs from Fr Joseph, as he felt called to monasticism which there is an equivalent aspect of in the Byzantine Church, I feel called to the mendicant (active community) life which there is not counterpart in the East (at least one I could find).
 
So I was wondering if Little Boy Lost wanted me to mail him the copy of the Akathist to St Seraphim of Sarov that I went to the trouble of finding and bringing with me to my office . . . 🙂

Alex
 
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