Latinos Revitalize US Catholic Population

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What’s up with everyone? I see some people who act as if the Latinos can do no wrong, and others as if they can do no right.

Get over it, guys! Some Latinos are criminals. Some Latinos may well be saints. They’re like *us: *some of us are criminals, and some of us may well be saints.

We cannot have a discussion when one group of people is trying to persuade another group that a third group is either entirely good or entirely bad. That is simply not true, and so does not prove anything.

What we have going on here is another wave of immigration. It’s happened before, it’ll happen again. There are particular problems associated with this particular wave, there were particular problems associated with other waves.

What’s the topic? Are Latinos revitalising the Catholic Church in the USA? What would we need to consider to find out if this is true? Squabbling over whether the diocese should find priests who speak Spanish or whether the Latinos should is not really going to get us anywhere, is it?

I live in an area in which there were lots of Irish immigrants. Guess what? The Church did not send them priests. They ended up becoming *Episcopalian. *Now there are lots of Mexicans. You bet I am happy that the Church is finding Catholic priests to minister to them, because otherwise they too would be lost to secularism or to Protestantism in one form or another, because believe me, the Protestants are right on top of this.
 
St_Francis said:
What’s up with everyone? I see some people who act as if the Latinos can do no wrong, and others as if they can do no right.

Get over it, guys! Some Latinos are criminals. Some Latinos may well be saints. They’re like *us: *some of us are criminals, and some of us may well be saints.

We cannot have a discussion when one group of people is trying to persuade another group that a third group is either entirely good or entirely bad. That is simply not true, and so does not prove anything.

What we have going on here is another wave of immigration. It’s happened before, it’ll happen again. There are particular problems associated with this particular wave, there were particular problems associated with other waves.

What’s the topic? Are Latinos revitalising the Catholic Church in the USA? What would we need to consider to find out if this is true? Squabbling over whether the diocese should find priests who speak Spanish or whether the Latinos should is not really going to get us anywhere, is it?

I live in an area in which there were lots of Irish immigrants. Guess what? The Church did not send them priests. They ended up becoming *Episcopalian. *Now there are lots of Mexicans. You bet I am happy that the Church is finding Catholic priests to minister to them, because otherwise they too would be lost to secularism or to Protestantism in one form or another, because believe me, the Protestants are right on top of this.
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But at some point they have to take care of themselves. No one sent anyone to my ancestors who came here. My Irish ancestors were given the bird by the diocese.
 
aspawloski4th said:
But at some point they have to take care of themselves. No one sent anyone to my ancestors who came here. My Irish ancestors were given the bird by the diocese.
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The Church was *wrong *not to send priests if they could have. The thing is that just because they did the wrong thing back then, or didn’t have the resources to do the right thing, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it now.
 
St_Francis said:
The Church was *wrong *not to send priests if they could have. The thing is that just because they did the wrong thing back then, or didn’t have the resources to do the right thing, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it now.
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My diocese is falling all over itself for Hispanics who could careless.
 
aspawloski4th said:
My diocese is falling all over itself for Hispanics who could careless.
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This is a little hard for me to comment on since I don’t know everything your diocese is doing, but I am sure it would be nice if they did everything they are doing to help get Latinos to live their Faith for all the other Catholics, no?
 
St_Francis said:
This is a little hard for me to comment on since I don’t know everything your diocese is doing, but I am sure it would be nice if they did everything they are doing to help get Latinos to live their Faith for all the other Catholics, no?
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My belief is one is either going live their faith because they desire to, or they don’t care. No amount of ministering special to a group is going to change that.
 
aspawloski4th said:
My belief is one is either going live their faith because they desire to, or they don’t care. No amount of ministering special to a group is going to change that.
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Well, there is such a thing as making it easier or harder!
 
aspawloski4th said:
My belief is one is either going live their faith because they desire to, or they don’t care. No amount of ministering special to a group is going to change that.
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You speak words of wisdom and again confirm what I commented on in an earlier post. What we are seeing in all cultures is a crisis of FAITH and a loss of the love of God. If I were in a foreign country, no way would I stop going to Mass or receiving the sacraments just because I didn’t understand the language. My faith is an integral part of daily life; I would not expect to be catered to.
 
Tigg said:
You speak words of wisdom and again confirm what I commented on in an earlier post. What we are seeing in all cultures is a crisis of FAITH and a loss of the love of God. If I were in a foreign country, no way would I stop going to Mass or receiving the sacraments just because I didn’t understand the language. My faith is an integral part of daily life; I would not expect to be catered to.
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My Ancestors were never catered to ever and they were absolutely not rich. My Irish ancestors were told to buzz off when they wanted an Irish priest and St Patrick for the name of their parish for when they were starting their own parish, which is now St James In Grand Rapids. yes we had a ministry to the Vietnamese when they first came here, but now they take care of themselves. Hispanics have been here nearly as long and don’t seem to make any progress. The best thing for Hispanics would be to have English classes and directed to the various ministries that are for everybody.
 
You guys may want to check this:
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Respect for life includes welcoming migrants, Vatican officials say**
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ATICAN CITY (CNS) – Catholics’ respect for human life and dignity must be clear in the way they welcome migrants and refugees, offer them pastoral care and lobby their governments for fairer treatment of people on the move, Vatican officials said.
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Archbishop Antonio Maria Veglio, president of the Pontifical Council for Migrants and Travelers, said globalization is not only an economic phenomenon. It also has an impact on the movement of people, and people must be the focus of Christian attention, he said.
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“We know as Christians that life’s core is fundamentally spiritual and that the challenge is how to promote and safeguard every human person,” focusing particularly on the most vulnerable, including migrants who leave home in search of a better life and refugees forced to flee violence or oppression, the archbishop said Nov. 3.
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The archbishop spoke at a Vatican press conference previewing the Sixth World Congress on the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Refugees, which his office is convoking Nov. 9-12 at the Vatican.
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With globalization the church not only has had to reach out to welcome and assist people on the move, but also to try to address situations that force them to seek a new life away from their homeland as well as attitudes and policies that make it difficult or impossible for them to live with dignity in a new land, Archbishop Veglio said.
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Christians are obliged to work with other people of good will to build “a civilization that is worthy of the human person, meaning a life model wherein each person can enjoy legitimate freedom and security; where suffering, discrimination and fear are eliminated to the greatest degree possible; (and) where respect for fundamental human rights – exercised with their corresponding duties – is guaranteed,” he said.
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Archbishop Agostino Marchetto, secretary of the council, said the congress would bring together more than 300 representatives of bishops’ conferences, Catholic aid agencies and religious orders to look at how to improve the way Catholics welcome and assist newcomers.
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Citizens have a right to be concerned about the security of their homelands, but for Christians security “must always been seen together with welcome – that is the Catholic approach,” Archbishop Marchetto said.
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The council secretary said the number of people living outside their homelands is huge: an estimated 200 million migrants in the world and an estimated 11 million refugees who have fled violence or persecution.
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“If we said probably 30 percent are Catholic, we probably would not be far off,” Archbishop Marchetto said.
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The archbishop said he spent three weeks in the United States recently lecturing at Catholic universities on the obligation to welcome and assist people on the move.
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He said the reaction to his talks made clear that many people have “difficulty in accepting migrants, and this was on the part of good Catholics.”
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No faithful Catholic would have a problem with the previous post. The authentic Church teaching on social justice upholds the dignity of the human person as primary. However, this also needs to be said for clarification. The Church is **not **saying that we must advocate illegal immigration.

Here are quotes from Archbishop Chaput which also upholds the principle of solidarity - something our liberal bishops appear to have forgotten.
Archbishop Chaput insisted that the Catholic Church respects the law, including immigration law, and also respects those who enforce it.
“We do not encourage or help anyone to break the law. We believe Americans have a right to solvent public institutions, secure borders and orderly regulation of immigration.”
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catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16275
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Another quote from Chaput:
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At the same time, candidly, I don’t think all religious voices are equally helpful in the national debate. Accusing Americans of national racism, or prematurely threatening civil disobedience to immigration law, is unwise.
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If Americans are angry about the immigration issue, it’s not because they’re instinctively bigoted. They’re frustrated and afraid, and too many of our public servants have failed us by not really leading with vision – in other words, by following their polls and ambitions, instead of their brains and consciences, to find a solution.
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amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2007/02/archbishop_chap.html
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Speaking on the principle of solidarity and the common good (the Church does NOT say the poor are to be placed above everyone else):
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“I think that, right now, the most important thing for us to do as a church is educate our people about the principles underlying public policy and encourage them to be active in talking to their own legislators about doing something **to make sure that we handle this problem in a way that respects the dignity of individuals and the common good of our country.”/**B]
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pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/july-dec06/immigration_08-15.html
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And, of course, the church agrees with them: Breaking the law is never appropriate. And being an illegal alien is not good for the person who breaks the law, nor is it good for our country. It’s a dangerous way to live. And to have a group in our society that isn’t legal undermines the common good, too.
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aspawloski4th said:
My Ancestors were never catered to ever and they were absolutely not rich. My Irish ancestors were told to buzz off when they wanted an Irish priest and St Patrick for the name of their parish for when they were starting their own parish, which is now St James In Grand Rapids. yes we had a ministry to the Vietnamese when they first came here, but now they take care of themselves. Hispanics have been here nearly as long and don’t seem to make any progress. The best thing for Hispanics would be to have English classes and directed to the various ministries that are for everybody.
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They DO have english classes at my parish. And the hispanics in general do go to them and try to learn. But when your parish is like 75% hispanic, its hard, you know? Because at that point, “everybody” means the hispanic community. I stopped reading this thread because I thought it was going to go on forever and I prefer smaller threads to post on… but whatever. Here I am. At least the thread cooled down a bit. To take issue with some other posts… do parishes cater to their American community? Yes, when it is mainly American. There are, of course, german, irish, etc. parishes. These cater to their respective ethnic groups. Is there something wrong with there being a hispanic parish? (of which, btw guy-from-michigan and other guys, have their own priests (2), deacon, mass times, bulletin, chatechism, altar server ministry etc. amidst a highly anti-immigrant white community) Its not an exception. its a rule. there are several such churches around the area. And to whoever it was who accused somebody else of overgeneralizing the hispanics in favor of the “religious” steorotype, I will tell that person to not overgeneralize his “criminal, taking over the US, have kids at 16” steorotype.
 
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Stylite said:
This is interesting…Several Catholic Charities groups and seven CCHD funded grantees have been working with a group called Mobilize the Immigrant Vote (MIV).

This would be fine if MIV was a voter registration program, but unfortunately it looks as if MIV is more interested in indoctrinating immigrants into supporting a pro-abortion progressive political platform.

See: bellarmineveritasministry.org/2009/11/04/more-questions-surrounding-cchd-grantees-part-2/
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I am grateful that you have posted this information and it adds further credibility to those of us who have long suspected there is a hidden agenda with this entire immigration issue, which, I believe is more political than one of social justice. I wonder how our liberal bishops are going to defend this one?
 
And here’s another article by Mary Ann Kreitzer (Les Femmes):

lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2009/11/bellarmine-just-keeps-uncovering-more.html
Bellarmine lists seven groups funded by CCHD participating in the “Mobilize the Immigrant Group Vote” (MIV) project. MIV developed a specifically pro-abortion voters’ guide and emphasized coordination and participation by its partners. These groups had to know what was going on. And they most likely provided bodies to go door to door mobilizing the liberal vote.
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Faith in Community
People Organized for Westside Renewal – POWER
Coalition LA
Justice Overcoming Boundaries in San Diego County
Nuestra Casa
San Francisco Organizing Project
All of Us or None (listed as Time for Change per CCHD)
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This is how the CCHD funds evil. See the full report here. It is nauseating to the liberals at the USCCB funneling Catholic money collected “for the poor” into groups working for moral evils.
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Please pass this information around as widely as possible. Friends don’t let friends be swindled into supporting evils under the fraud that they are “helping the poor.”
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BOYCOTT THE CCHD!
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Here in S WI, we are experiencing an influx of Latinos. You should see the numbers at the Spanish Mass (1 Sunday per month). Where are they the other Sundays? Don’t they know it’s a mortal sin to miss Mass?

Our parish rec’d $$ from the diocese for outreach to Latinos. There is 1 family who attends the “regular” Masses & has gotten involved. I’m Caucasian - I made an effort to notice & smile at the Latinos who came to our parish picnic, but they pretty much keep to themselves – don’t smile back or say “hi” much. I hope this will change.

Meanwhile, our small school is struggling.

How can one reach out to people who do not (by and large) want to participate. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

Also, I do not like the rise of Alinsky-groups. PICO is one large one, mostly in the western part of the US. DART is another. Many are under the Gamaliel Foundation, which is based in Chicago. I (and others) believe they are targeting the Latino population, drawing them in with a veneer of spirituality (some of the groups’ names are acronyms from names from scripture). They say they are not political, but a little research into what exactly they support shows they are an arm of liberal Democrats. I fear they will be able to garner a lot of support from this population.

Our parishes are being divided by this politicization, just at a time when we need to be practicing Authentic Catholic Social Justice and revitalizing and deepening what it means to be CATHOLIC. These Alinsky-groups are funded in large part by multi-billionaire George Soros, who also provides funding for ACORN, Catholics for a Free Choice (pro-abortion), Democratic Party, EMILY’s List (pro-abortion), NARAL Pro-Choice America, Planned Parenthood, and many others.

The dissident group Call to Action is also behind Alinsky groups. I hope everyone reading this will do a little research & see if their parish is involved in one. For more info on how to do this, PM me, and I’ll be happy to share some web sites.

Viva Christo Rey!

Mimi
 
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