"Latria" given to the Cross?

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In his Summa Theologica, St. Thomas Aquinas asserts that the worship of “latria,” reserved for God alone, is to be given to the Cross (newadvent.org/summa/402504.htm). Rather simply, he writes:
On the contrary, We show the worship of “latria” to that in which we place our hope of salvation…[T]herefore Christ’s cross should be worshiped with the adoration of “latria.”

St. Thomas Aquinas is my patron saint, my hero, my model, and my elder brother in the holy Faith. I’m full aware that he has erred many times, mostly on small matters. But to believe that the Angelic Doctor worshiped the Cross, thus commiting idolatry, is too much for me to comprehend. Can someone expain to me what he meant lest my worst suspicions be confirmed?
 
The greatest theologian, doctor, and philosopher, St. Thomas Aquinas, couldn’t have commited such an error, could he? He can’t be teaching idolatry, can he?
 
Aquinas did teach things that were erroneous, such as his idea that life/the soul was not present at conception, but rather, it was infused into a being by God sometime after.
 
Fidei Defensor:
Aquinas did teach things that were erroneous, such as his idea that life/the soul was not present at conception, but rather, it was infused into a being by God sometime after.
Yes, I realize that St. Thomas erred many times. But that doesn’t explain how he could revive the ancient sin of idolatry by worshiping the Cross. It’s just as worst as when the pagans sacrificed to idols, or when Protestants claim that Catholics pray, worship, etc., to statues or images, i.e. the Cross. How can we understand what the Angelic Doctor was teaching?😦
 
I’ve tried to get this question posted in other forums, but no one has answered them. Please can someone explain to me…I feel like my faith is slowing evaporating with every passing second. St. Thomas Aquinas, pray for us.
 
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youthcrusader:
I’ve tried to get this question posted in other forums, but no one has answered them. Please can someone explain to me…I feel like my faith is slowing evaporating with every passing second. St. Thomas Aquinas, pray for us.
There’s no reason to lose faith. Don’t worry about it at all. Also remember that you only posted this question a few moments ago, and that it is very late in most of the country. There are fewer people awake right now. It is also a deep question which requires a lot of research. I am trying to do that now. Read this to tide you over:

newadvent.org/summa/310303.htm
 
Just remember that like the rest of us, St. Thomas Aquinas is human. Fallible. Imperfect. He can make mistakes just like you and me. He was a mere theologian whose teachings (though not all) were accepted by the Church. He was not protected from error as is the Magisterium. He was just one man.
 
Fidei Defensor:
Just remember that like the rest of us, St. Thomas Aquinas is human. Fallible. Imperfect. He can make mistakes just like you and me. He was a mere theologian whose teachings (though not all) were accepted by the Church. He was not protected from error as is the Magisterium. He was just one man.
I understand; you’re 100% correct, men are fallible. But it isn’t the error itself of St. Thomas that has shaken me; it is the ramifications. If St. Thomas did worship the Cross, does it mean that all Catholics at that time did or were instructed to do so? Does this mean that St. Thomas commited idolatry, and despite this, he is a saint? There must be in some place that he retracted this statement, much like St. Augustine did in his Retractions. There’s gotta be more to it than this…
 
Lazerlike42,

I appreciate what you and others are doing to answer this question. It’s very consoling to know there are those out there who sincerely want to know and share the truth.🙂

Please find an answer…I’ve tried searching everywhere online, posting in different forums, but to no avail. It seems like sites on the web are using this text from the Summa Theologica to debunk the greatest doctor the Catholic Church has ever known. Worse, they are using it to support their lies that the Church really does worship images and statues, not with just “dulia” but with “latria.”
 
perhaps there are context clues? perhaps he did not mean the physical wood, but The Crucified Christ as a manifestation of god. I dont know.
 
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youthcrusader:
In his Summa Theologica, St. Thomas Aquinas asserts that the worship of “latria,” reserved for God alone, is to be given to the Cross (newadvent.org/summa/402504.htm). Rather simply, he writes:
On the contrary, We show the worship of “latria” to that in which we place our hope of salvation…[T]herefore Christ’s cross should be worshiped with the adoration of “latria.”

St. Thomas Aquinas is my patron saint, my hero, my model, and my elder brother in the holy Faith. I’m full aware that he has erred many times, mostly on small matters. But to believe that the Angelic Doctor worshiped the Cross, thus commiting idolatry, is too much for me to comprehend. Can someone expain to me what he meant lest my worst suspicions be confirmed?
I think this needs clarification:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a1.htm#2132

The footnote (71) refers to:

newadvent.org/summa/308103.htm

(Reply to objection 3)

We can see that never is the object or image itself ever mistaken for God, but merely aids our feeble human nature to focus on what we know about God. As an analogy, we can look through a window to gaze lovingly at our spouse outside, but that love does not terminate at the glass, nor at their appearance, but at the person.

I agree, that it isn’t stated well in its translation and is a difficulty with reading ancient texts ripped out of their time. As we see here, it’s good to check other parts of the Summa to see what he means.
 
Don’t worry!

The format of the Summa, as you probably know, is as follows:

A question is posed, several objections to Aquinas’s eventual answer are shown, and then a counterpoint (“on the contrary”) Finally he answers, explains, and refutes all the objections.

What you posted was merely the counterpoint, which is not Aquinas’s final explanation.

The final answer he gives in that article of the Summa is this:
As stated above, honor or reverence is due to a rational creature only; while to an insensible creature, no honor or reverence is due save by reason of a rational nature. And this in two ways. First, inasmuch as it represents a rational nature: secondly, inasmuch as it is united to it in any way whatsoever. In the first way men are wont to venerate the king’s image; in the second way, his robe. And both are venerated by men with the same veneration as they show to the king. If, therefore, we speak of the cross itself on which Christ was crucified, it is to be venerated by us in both ways–namely, in one way in so far as it represents to us the figure of Christ extended thereon; in the other way, from its contact with the limbs of Christ, and from its being saturated with His blood. Wherefore in each way it is worshiped with the same adoration as Christ, viz. the adoration of “latria.” And for this reason also we speak to the cross and pray to it, as to the Crucified Himself. But if we speak of the effigy of Christ’s cross in any other material whatever–for instance, in stone or wood, silver or gold–thus we venerate the cross merely as Christ’s image, which we worship with the adoration of “latria,” as stated above
He says in an earlier article about the worship of images:
“The honor given to an image reaches to the prototype,” i.e. the exemplar. But the exemplar itself–namely, Christ–is to be adored with the adoration of “latria”; therefore also His image.
I answer that, As the Philosopher says (De Memor. et Remin. i), there is a twofold movement of the mind towards an image: one indeed towards the image itself as a certain thing; another, towards the image in so far as it is the image of something else. And between these movements there is this difference; that the former, by which one is moved towards an image as a certain thing, is different from the movement towards the thing: whereas the latter movement, which is towards the image as an image, is one and the same as that which is towards the thing. Thus therefore we must say that no reverence is shown to Christ’s image, as a thing–for instance, carved or painted wood: because reverence is not due save to a rational creature. It follow therefore that reverence should be shown to it, in so far only as it is an image. Consequently the same reverence should be shown to Christ’s image as to Christ Himself. Since, therefore, Christ is adored with the adoration of “latria,” it follows that His image should be adored with the adoration of “latria.”
An inanimate object is not to be adored, or even given honor or reverence or veneration, except as regards to a rational being which it represents. But even then, it is not the object worshipped, but that which it represents.

Aquinas definitely teaches that “latria” is due to God alone, as he states in the next article:
Since “latria” is due to God alone, it is not due to a creature so far as we venerate a creature for its own sake. For though insensible creatures are not capable of being venerated for their own sake, yet the rational creature is capable of being venerated for its own sake. Consequently the worship of “latria” is not due to any mere rational creature for its own sake. Since, therefore, the Blessed Virgin is a mere rational creature, the worship of “latria” is not due to her, but only that of “dulia”: but in a higher degree than to other creatures, inasmuch as she is the Mother of God. For this reason we say that not any kind of “dulia” is due to her, but “hyperdulia.”
 
However, though none accuse him of idolatry, some believe that his distinction is ambiguous, and the terminology dangerous.

An article in the Catholic Encyclopedia says this:

Again, it should be noted that the cult of images and relics is not that of latria, which is the adoration due to God alone, but is, as the Second Council of Nicæa teaches, a relative veneration paid to the image or relic and referring to that which it represents. Precisely this same doctrine is repeated in Sess. XXV of the Council of Trent: “Images are not to be worshipped because it is believed that some divinity or power resides in them and that they must be worshipped on that account, or because we ought to ask anything of them, or because we should put our trust in them, as was done by the gentiles of old who placed their hope in idols but because the honour which is shown to them is referred to the prototypes which they represent; so that through the images which we kiss, and before which we kneel, we may adore Christ, and venerate the saints, whose resemblances they bear.” (See also IMAGES.)

This clear doctrine, which cuts short every objection, is also that taught by Bellarmine, by Bossuet, and by Petavius. It must be said, however, that this view was not always so clearly taught. Following Bl. Albertus Magnus and Alexander of Hales, St. Bonaventure St. Thomas, and a, section of the Schoolmen who appear to have overlooked the Second Council of Nicæa teach that the worship rendered to the Cross and the image of Christ is that of latria, but with a distinction: the same worship is due to the image and its exemplar but the exemplar is honoured for Himself (or for itself), with an absolute worship; the image because of its exemplar, with a relative worship. The object of the adoration is the same, primary in regard to the exemplar and secondary in regard to the image. To the image of Christ, then, we owe a worship of latria as well as to His Person. The image, in fact, is morally one with its prototype, and, thus considered, if a lesser degree of worship be rendered to the image, that worship must reach the exemplar lessened in degree. Against this theory an attack has recently been made in “The Tablet”, the opinion attributed to the Thomists being sharply combated. Its adversaries have endeavoured to prove that the image of Christ should be venerated but with a lesser degree of honour than its exemplar. The cult paid to it, they say, is simply analogous to the cult of latria, but in its nature different and inferior. No image of Christ, then, should be honoured with the worship of latria, and, moreover, the term “relative latria”, invented by the Thomists, ought to be banished from theological language as equivocal and dangerous.-- Of these opinions the former rests chiefly upon consideration of pure reason, the latter upon ecclesiastical tradition, notably upon the Second Council of Nicæa and its confirmation by the Fourth Council of Constantinople and upon the decree of the Council of Trent.

Other articles, however, are less harsh on Thomas and his school.

Either way, he was never confusing a creature with God…or actually adoring matter…but rather saying that though God is worshipped with Absolute Latria…images may be worshipped with Relative Latria if they represent God. The worship is understood as going to what they represent…not to the wood and paint itself as matter, but to the “meaning” and “idea” of the image, which is Christ.

But as I said, some believe this distinction too vague and dangerous.
 
Well, I have done a lot of research and concluded that yes, St. Thomas was off the mark.

To answer one of your questions, no: others were not taught to do this. The 2nd Council of Nicea actually made sure to teach against this, as did the Council of Trent (which came long after St. Thomas’ death of course).

Now, also don’t be concerned that if he commited idolatry he could not have been a Saint. Remember that we are all sinners. The greatest Saints of all sinned countless times. I find it unlikely that St. Thomas retracted this statement, as he died before he had completed the Summa.

Furthermore, I would not put too much concern in the idea that he actually committed a sin. What he did was incorrect, but because of his way of thinking was much more likely an error than a sin, especially mortal. Remember that mortal sin requires full knowledge and full will. It is very clear that St. Thomas did not will to commit idolatry. He himself said that idolatry is the most grievous sin (in and of itself) (II-II:94). He thus did not have full will. Also, by nature of his mistake, he likely did not possess full knowledge. If he were familiar with the statement 2nd Council of Nicea, then his knowledge and will may have been more culpable, but it seems as that he was not, given that in the great treatment he gives to the general topic of veneration and latria he does not refer to it.

Remember that St. Thomas often saw a dichotomy in concepts. He saw one also inasfar as is concerned the idea of giving latria to the cross. To him, he saw a distinction between giving latria to the cross (henceforth called “latriaizing”) on account of it’s intrinsic nature and “latriazing” the cross on account of its relation to its exemplar. This dichotomy between the intrinsic nature of an object and its relationship to its exemplar is valid, however St. Thomas carries it to too great a level insofar as is concerned latria.

To him, a person should “latriaize” the cross not because of what the cross itself was (which to him as well as us would be idolatry), but because in doing so latria was given to Christ Himself. This is incorrect and contradicts the 2nd Council of Nicea (and Trent), but it is only an error on the part of St. Thomas, not idolatry. He believed that “latriazing” the cross was the same thing as “latriazing” Christ Himself. As we know from Christ, the Church, and St. Thomas himself, sin is not a physical act but one of the heart (most technically, it is a turning of the heart from God). St. Thomas, in his heart, believed himself to be “latriazing” Christ, never the cross. In his heart, he offered this adoration only to Christ the Lord. He was mistaken, of course, and insofar as to do otherwise would be to fall short of the goal of completely loving God, it is necessary to educate ourselves and one another so as that we do not err as he did. Indeed we must strive to know what truly pleases God. Nevertheless, an error is not to be construed as sin. St. Thomas erred in his flesh, yet he did not sin in his heart, with which he loved only Christ and absolutely Christ above all and everything.
 
Just to clarify something:

St. Thomas definitely was mistaken, as the 2nd Council of Nicea, in the 7th session, very clearly declares that latria is not to be given to images of Christ or to the cross.

The statement
An inanimate object is not to be adored, or even given honor or reverence or veneration, except as regards to a rational being which it represents. But even then, it is not the object worshipped, but that which it represents.
is not correct in its second part. In other words, we should not even latria the thing something represents through an image.

Nevertheless, St. Thomas merely made mistake, not a sin.
 
My impression was that he refers to the True Cross. The one Our Lord actually died on. The one saturated with His blood.
Also St. Thomas was a mystic so his union with Jesus was more profound.

st julie
 
This thread is a perfect example of “The Blind leading the Blind.”

One should not respond to a thread if one does not know what he is talking about.

It’s always been understood that the “latria” given to the Cross of Christ is a relative latria. In other words, the latria shown to an image of Christ, or to an image of the cross saturated with His Sacred Blood, is really directed along that image to the Person of Jesus.

Images of God are shown relative latria.

Images of Mary are shown relative hyperdulia.

Images of the saints are shown relative dulia.

Yes, Saint Thomas was sometimes off the mark in his theology (the same can be said of every single Doctor of the Church); but it’s ludicrous to believe that he was so off the mark as to violate the principle foundation of Catholic Christianity: Monotheism!
 
On Good Friday when we chat, “come, let us worship.” It isn’t that we’re worshiping an instrument of death, but we are worshiping our Lord who hung on the instrument of our salvation. Jesus and the cross cannot be sepearated or else our faith would mean nothing.
 
I also wish to note that Aquinas’s sense is used even by the Church in her liturgy. On Good Friday, the priest says: “Here is the wood of the Christ, on which hung the Savior of the World.” The response? “Come, let us worship.” I’ve always understood this to refer to the preceding subject: the Cross.

The notion of “Relative Latria” is one founded upon the Tradition of the Church, particularly in the East. The old Catholic Encyclopedia was written at a time when many Catholic authors were quite ignorant of matters Eastern, and often influenced by the rigors of Jansenism. I would take what it says on this matter with a grain of salt.

Instead, for a broader-Church perspective on the concept of relative latria, I would consult the following essay: Aquinas on Adoring the Image of Christ.
 
Psalm45:9:
On Good Friday when we chat, “come, let us worship.” It isn’t that we’re worshiping an instrument of death, but we are worshiping our Lord who hung on the instrument of our salvation. Jesus and the cross cannot be sepearated or else our faith would mean nothing.
It’s not that simple. On Good Friday, the Church chants:
Crucem tuam adoramus Domine; et sanctam resurrectionem tuam laudamus et glorificamus: ecce enim propter lignum venit gaudium in universo mundo.
We adore, O Lord, your cross; we praise and we glorify your sacred resurrection. Because for the timber of the cross the joy came to the whole world.
The Church in her liturgy seems to take for granted the fact that the Cross is to be given relative latria.
 
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