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As the OP, I think my original post was lacking in sentence formation. I read a lot of articles both from professionals and laymen on climate change. My question is this: What does the Pope know that I don’t know about climate science? Why isn’t a midwest lawyer’s opinion on climate science as valid as the Pope’s? He didn’t say that he had a divine revelation on the topic. Serious question. If you want to accuse me of heresy, go for it.
 
My question has been answered by CA on the home page. Pope Francis’s Environmental Encyclical: 13 Things to Know and Share (p. 10). Thanks to all who shared.
 
My question has been answered by CA on the home page. Pope Francis’s Environmental Encyclical: 13 Things to Know and Share (p. 10). Thanks to all who shared.
I think it is very cavalier to dismiss well-established science. As JPII said re evolution, “Truth cannot contradict truth,” re God is Truth, and He cannot contradict scientific truths, such as evolution, even tho there might be some minor debates and revisions, e.g., about the classification of various hominids, etc.

Same way climate change science has been established for nearly 200 years, with the evidence reaching scientific confidence (95% confidence, .05 on the null) in 1995 and becoming stronger and more robust ever since. And we are already experience neg consequences of AGW. There are no scientific studies based on legitimate climate science that disproves anthropogenic global warming, tho there could be some internal disagreements about its projections and impacts, or whether or not it is impacting Rossby waves (which bring lingering cold spells from the arctic to the mid-latitudes). These disagreements in no way contradict the overall science that has very firmly established that AGW is indeed happening.

Truth cannot contradict well-founded scientific truths (tho these are based on evidence and theories that could change or be improved).

It would be morally wrong to oppose the science in this encyclical, and exceedingly immoral not to mitigate climate change, even if one is not completely convinced it is happening. Prudence requires us to do the best we can with the knowledge we have to avoid harms to life on earth and our own progeny.

#10. “This is thus a subject on which there can be a legitimate diversity of opinion among Catholics and among people in general” is a wrong idea, the general science on AGW is settled and has been for over a decade; this idea of holding one’s own opinion could deceive people into doing nothing about this serious problem and lead to very serious consequence (both in this world & the next), bec we all, of course, wish AGW were not happening, we wish to wake up to a world in which the best authorities have very solid proof it is not happening, but we are required to work with the well-established reality we have, not wishful dreaming.

Anyway, as mentioned earlier, there are plenty of things we can do that don’t cost or require little effort, or even rake in net savings for us. At the very least we should be doing those things…which could reduce one’s GHG emissions and concomitant pollution by 30% or even up to 60% or so…if we really put forth the effort to ferret out those measure then implement them.

The earth systems take up about half the CO2 we emit, so before these earth systems are degraded to the point they cannot take up that much, we really must on the whole reduce our GHG emissions by about half, or more if feasible.

We had an environmental group in our parish up north at Holy Angels Church, and we had the motto, HALF – Holy Angels Little Flowers, reducing our environmental impact by half, following the path of the Little Way of Environmental Healing, based on St. Therese’s Little Way of Spiritual Childhood.

We just need to take one baby step after another…
 
Same way climate change science has been established for nearly 200 years, with the evidence reaching scientific confidence (95% confidence, .05 on the null) in 1995 .
This would not be certainty, as there is a 5% chance you are wrong.
 
After that BUY RECYCLED, GO ON ALT ENERGY when feasible, and plant trees, etc.
Also get rid of all that deadwood in the backyard. This emits CO2. I don’t know where you will put it but get rid of it. 🙂
 
Unless he says there is a moral imperative to alter behaviors that lead to global warming, reckless consumerism, declines in biodiversity, etc.

Its gonna be fun seeing so many more cafeteria catholics, except now, from the conservative side.
THIS! It’s amazing how blind people choose to be to fit into some agenda. Why wouldn’t preserving the planet for the next generation be a good thing? It’s not about invasive government regs (ie by EPA or OSHA), it’s about regulating bad behavior, which we know humans are prone to (ie shady business practices, dumping chemicals in less affluent communities, taking short cuts, etc). It amazes me how many people are up in arms because the Pope is taking a stand on this.
 
THIS! It’s amazing how blind people choose to be to fit into some agenda. Why wouldn’t preserving the planet for the next generation be a good thing? It’s not about invasive government regs (ie by EPA or OSHA), it’s about regulating bad behavior, which we know humans are prone to (ie shady business practices, dumping chemicals in less affluent communities, taking short cuts, etc). It amazes me how many people are up in arms because the Pope is taking a stand on this.
I just saw a couple of days ago. On FOX news, that the Pope has “joined the environrmental movement” and is says humans are causing this. I have not look at the encyclical. There will be plenty of time for that. But he’s not saying that is he?

Bill
 
Not sure what you are talking about. Please spell it out, bec I have been confused when God answered my prayer that he lead me to the right religion, and that turned out to be Catholicism. But I’ve never been sure if it is the right religion for everyone (I think it is), or it is just the right religion for me…that issue wasn’t part of my prayer, only something I’ve wondered about since.

However, I do know people find Catholicism very strict, too strict for them. They not only have to practice chastity, with sex only in marriage and no contraception or abortion, and many other restrictions and duties, but they have to reduce their environmental harms to others – they have to humbly accept they are causing those harms, then do something about them.

“19. … Our goal is not to amass information or to satisfy curiosity, but rather to become painfully aware, to dare to turn what is happening to the world into our own personal suffering and thus to discover what each of us can do about it” (Laudato Si)

I have been on that page for over 25 years, it was like a painful “ecological conversion” (JPII) experience back in 1990, but once I converted to acknowledging my own part in the environmental harms of the world, including global warming, and after a 1990 Lent of very fervent and painful prayer, God helped me find many solutions, which we’ve been implementing ever since, reducing our GHGs by over 60% and other concomitant pollution and harms, AND saving us $1000s. What I learned is if one seeks first the kingdom of God and its righteousness, ALL things will be added unto that person – GUARANTEED!!!

However, it is very hard for people to go thru that ecological conversion, that first step, which entailed being brought down low into the dust of humility, shame, guilt, remorse, sorrow…to be raised up by God Himself.

That is the problem I see and why many people cannot (or will not) be fully Catholic, and will not even take the first steps to reduce their harms.

Pope Francis, BXVI, JPII, Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, St. Kateri Tekakwitha, St. Therese, St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Jesus, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Joseph, St. Mary we need your prayers.
newadvent.org/summa/

HTH. Procession of the persons is there somewhere. I would have to look. Feel free to ask anything else if curious.

Bill
 
I don’t believe in climate change hysteria. I DO believe that when God wants to kick us off this earth He will do so whether we put up solar panels or not. Relax, we’re Catholic.
 
I don’t believe in climate change hysteria. I DO believe that when God wants to kick us off this earth He will do so whether we put up solar panels or not. Relax, we’re Catholic.
I know we can indeed change the weather. When we build a city. There is a few degrees difference in the temperature in the city and out of the city. But this “global warming” thing. If it’s happening. I don’t believe that they can definitely say, “Hey humans are doing it.” So I’m going to cook my hot dogs on the grill and I think we can burn wood fires. Al Gore doesn’t want us doing that. But he can spill jet fumes all over the world jetting around.
 
I never post. I just read, but this matter has me upset because I do disagree with some of what the Pope said. I agree with a lot of it too. However, with everything going on in the world, I can’t see why His and our focus isn’t the murder of Christians all over the globe. I realize the state of the planet is important, but priorities to me is the slaughter of people going on in a grand manner by ISIS and their kind. The entire world should be standing up and doing something about it. And the Pope should be leading that effort. In my mind his efforts should be concentrated on that at the moment.:confused:
 
I never post. I just read, but this matter has me upset because I do disagree with some of what the Pope said. I agree with a lot of it too. However, with everything going on in the world, I can’t see why His and our focus isn’t the murder of Christians all over the globe. I realize the state of the planet is important, but priorities to me is the slaughter of people going on in a grand manner by ISIS and their kind. The entire world should be standing up and doing something about it. And the Pope should be leading that effort. In my mind his efforts should be concentrated on that at the moment.:confused:
I will give my opinion as I see it. US President Obama knowingly and willfully pulled troops that were doing great from their area to keep under control and left their best equipment there. Just for Isis or whatever muslim group could take control. The created vacuum and availability of our best equipment gave birth to ISIS. He is the only one responsible. I have heard of no big epiphany of conversion from Islam to Christianity, so I consider him Muslim. But anyway, I cannot judge the Pope’s encyclical. I have not read it.

Pax Roma
 
This would not be certainty, as there is a 5% chance you are wrong.
That’s the way all science works, with the most common standard for making claims 95% confidence.

When you consider the risks of grave harm to people and others of God’s creatures (95% of life died out during the end-Permian great warming), then one does not need 100% certainty to act. Would a person give their children orange juice that carried a 70% risk of poisoning them, or even a 25% risk? Or if the doc came back and said one’s cancer test only reached 94% confidence, so come back in a couple of years to see if it gets up to 95% confidence so we can operate – would the patient go along with that?

We buy insurance even tho chances of our homes being burnt to a crisp are almost nil (it happens, but only to a few out of 1000s of homes), or even damaged above the deductible (again maybe one in 30 homes might need to make an insurance claim).

The Church has called us to the virtue of prudence when it comes to climate change. That is even if we are not convinced to our satisfaction that AGW is happening, we should mitigate it. See “Global Climate Change A Plea for Dialogue Prudence and the Common Good” at usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/environment/global-climate-change-a-plea-for-dialogue-prudence-and-the-common-good.cfm
 
Not true. Not all science works on the basis of statistical sampling and confidence intervals.
That’s the thing about science. Numbers. What defines a thing as a science is scientific method. The ability to reproduce under exact instances the exact results another did. Forget things unseen, such as paranormal. Or simple invisible things. Science doesn’t concern itself with that. Epistemology does. Numbers show only correlations to variables. The non-sequitor “inexact science” has always baffled me. Inexact, is not science.
 
I don’t believe in climate change hysteria. I DO believe that when God wants to kick us off this earth He will do so whether we put up solar panels or not. Relax, we’re Catholic.
However, there are different places we could end up in once we’re kicked off, and we wouldn’t want to go to that place that is a lot hotter than a globally warmed world and for eternity no less 🙂
 
I will give my opinion as I see it. US President Obama knowingly and willfully pulled troops that were doing great from their area to keep under control and left their best equipment there. Just for Isis or whatever muslim group could take control. The created vacuum and availability of our best equipment gave birth to ISIS. He is the only one responsible. I have heard of no big epiphany of conversion from Islam to Christianity, so I consider him Muslim. But anyway, I cannot judge the Pope’s encyclical. I have not read it.

Pax Roma
I always look for how I (we) might also be responsible. There have been studies and investigations to show that the GW-enhanced serious drought in Syria contributed to the uprising there, and once Syria was in a state of disarray it was easy for ISIS to take over & fill in the vacuum.

If Bush had not wrongly assumed Iraq was a threat to us & invaded, then there would not have been the Iraq issue (not saying that the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein was a picnic). Maybe Obama should not have pulled out the troops, but I think the American people were very weary of the war and wanted them out. Who knew ISIS would take over? Are the war-weary American people ready to put boots on the ground to fight ISIS? I’m not sure.

The Pope indeed has continuously called for peace in the Middle East and denounced ISIS. They have made death threats against him.

BTW, the Pope can walk and chew gum at the same time (multi-task), and he is and should be addressing many issues that affect the Church and the world.
 
However, there are different places we could end up in once we’re kicked off, and we wouldn’t want to go to that place that is a lot hotter than a globally warmed world and for eternity no less 🙂
Go to Mass, go to confession, trust in God, don’t commit mortal sins and quit worrying.
 
Go to Mass, go to confession, trust in God, don’t commit mortal sins and quit worrying.
Well, actually it was not my fear of Hell or my desire to save money that got me strongly onto the road of mitigating AGW and other env problems some 25 yrs ago (I didn’t realize then that we’d be saving many $1000s), but rather my desire to reduce my harms to people.

I saw & taped a film in 1989, “Is it Hot Enough for You?” about global warming, which showed how the droughts in the Sahel belt of Africa (as well as greater flooding in Europe)had been enhanced by AGW, causing famine and death. That’s what got me on the mitigation road.

It was one thing to be concerned re the droughts and famines in Africa, and we had sent money for that earlier, but quite another to understand that I was contributing to those droughts and famines. That’s what lit a fire under me that hasn’t gone out since.

Pope Francis writes, #19: Our goal is not to amass information or to satisfy curiosity, but rather to become painfully aware, to dare to turn what is happening to the world into our own personal suffering and thus to discover what each of us can do about it." I think that is the most important statement in the encyclical.

Since my “ecological conversion” (as JPII put it) in 1990 I’ve honed in to climate science and AGW impacts and mitigation solutions, long before the fossil-fuel denialist industry poisoned the wells of reason and concern. I guess people who came to the issue later have had to wade thru the muddied waters.

If you are interested, someone has started a thread on “Pope’s encyclical - personal approaches,” on practical things we can do in our daily lives: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=966018
 
It would be good to read at least the first few chapters of the encyclical before coming to any conclusions based solely on media reports. The encyclical addresses much more than AGW.

Pope Francis says man has distorted the mandate to “have dominion” over the earth (cf. Genesis 1:28) by “refusing to acknowledge our creaturely limitations”. As a result, we have made a mess of it by ignoring the mandate to not only “till” the earth but also the obligation to keep or preserve it (Genesis 2:15). This concerns environmental damage generally and the way it affects the entire earth and all its people as well as the generations to come. Having irresponsibly intervened in nature, man now faces the very difficult task of unwinding what he has done lest catastrophe results.
 
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