Lawyers doing divorces

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Just wondering how others felt about the morality of a Catholic lawyer filing a divorce for a client. I can see on the one hand that people need their legal rights protected, but on the other hand maybe refusing to facilitate a divorce would help encourage the parties to reconcile? Then again, there are some spouses I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy!
 
Just wondering how others felt about the morality of a Catholic lawyer filing a divorce for a client. I can see on the one hand that people need their legal rights protected, but on the other hand maybe refusing to facilitate a divorce would help encourage the parties to reconcile? Then again, there are some spouses I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy!
I think you pretty much covered it…on both hands. 😃

There would seem to be too many variables to make a blanket statement; Protestant couple? Catholic? Mixed?

I would think that the question should be asked by any divorce attorney, that is “Is there a chance for reconciliation here, are we looking for a cordial separation, or do you want a pit bull to get your pound of flesh?”
 
I think you pretty much covered it…on both hands. 😃

There would seem to be too many variables to make a blanket statement; Protestant couple? Catholic? Mixed?

I would think that the question should be asked by any divorce attorney, that is “Is there a chance for reconciliation here, are we looking for a cordial separation, or do you want a pit bull to get your pound of flesh?”
Well, even the Church acknowledges that sometimes a divorce is a necessity, and much as the ‘pound of flesh’ may be what some clients are after, no-one will get more than their legal entitlements, presuming the system is working as it should.
 
Well, even the Church acknowledges that sometimes a divorce is a necessity, and much as the ‘pound of flesh’ may be what some clients are after, no-one will get more than their legal entitlements, presuming the system is working as it should.
You’ve never experienced the justice system in the USA, have you? 😃 I agree with you, but at least around here my attorney friends all tell me that if a case goes to court…any kind of case, perception becomes truth. Sadly. 😦
 
I haven’t done any in many years, but recently an acquaintance asked me to finalize an uncontested one for him. Both spouses are Catholic and were married for many years and raised 3 children together. The wife decided some years ago that she couldn’t stand being married to him anymore, and left and moved up north to live with her daughter.

Doesn’t seem like there’s anything I can do to facililtate any kind of reconciliation. I have no contact with the wife, who is the one who left. The husband is tired of waiting and may have a new girlfriend. Nothing contested, no particular animosity, but I agreed to do it and now I keep finding obstacles put in my way. Silly things, like losing phone numbers and e-mail addresses, miscalculating fees, getting interrupted every time I sit down at my desk and pull out the file to work on it. I have that creeping feeling that God doesn’t want me to do this, but I feel quite obligated now that I have taken it on and started it.

Do you think in this type of situation it is inherently immoral to do the legal paperwork for a divorce? Maybe God just wants me to speak up to him or her one last time? Maybe I’m just feeling guilty because it seems like such a shame to throw all those years of marriage down the drain (although I understand he was pretty abominable to live with 🤷
 
Just wondering how others felt about the morality of a Catholic lawyer filing a divorce for a client. I can see on the one hand that people need their legal rights protected, but on the other hand maybe refusing to facilitate a divorce would help encourage the parties to reconcile? Then again, there are some spouses I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy!
I’m a Catholic lawyer, and I’ve handled the occasional divorce. There’s nothing immoral about doing our job, which is to protect the legal rights of a client.

It’s divorce and remarriage that is always is sinful, not divorce itself. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it does not constitute a moral offense,” CCC 2383.

“It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravend the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys the canonically valid marriage,” CCC 2386.

To explore this area further, check the Code of Canon Law 1151-1155.
 
Just wondering how others felt about the morality of a Catholic lawyer filing a divorce for a client.
Absolutely wrong. There is no morality.

Compounded sin. Civil law allowing for divorce, first wrong, which in turn calls for lawyers to put it in effect.

A fools folly.

Andy
 
So the question remains, in this situation I mentioned, is divorce the only possible way to “ensure certain legal rights” and protect inheritance? There was only one piece of property to be divided up, and that could be done without divorce. I suppose divorce would ensure that the children inherit directly from each parent, rather than the assets from each parent’s estate going to the other parent. But by divorcing, if either parent remarries, there is increased risk that the assets of that parent would end up going to the new spouse in the event of the remarried parent’s death.

On the other hand, if they don’t divorce, and one spouse inherits the assets of the other then remarries, then the assets are still at risk of going to a new spouse. So that one is kind of a “six of one, half-dozen of the other”. It would seem to me that in my current situation, the most likely reason for the divorce is to enable one of the spouses to remarry.
 
Just wondering how others felt about the morality of a Catholic lawyer filing a divorce for a client. I can see on the one hand that people need their legal rights protected, but on the other hand maybe refusing to facilitate a divorce would help encourage the parties to reconcile? Then again, there are some spouses I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy!
since the Church permits spouses to separate if there is an overriding reason–desertion, continued infidelity, abuse etc–and even to secure a civil divorce if that is necessary to protect the rights and well-being of the children an the other spouse, it follows that it cannot be wrong for a Catholic lawyer to facilitate divorce in such circumstance.
 
So the question remains, in this situation I mentioned, is divorce the only possible way to “ensure certain legal rights” and protect inheritance? .
that depends entirely on the law where you live, or where the real property is located. sometimes esp.in the US, the answer is yes.
 
Catholic lawyers should be open to doing divorces for one reason: Catholic lawyers would desire to see the parties reconcile rather than have the dispute continue in order to increase their fees.
 
Absolutely wrong. There is no morality.

Compounded sin. Civil law allowing for divorce, first wrong, which in turn calls for lawyers to put it in effect.

A fools folly.

Andy
I’m curious why you say this? One cannot seek an annulment, unless he/she is civilly divorced…if the RCC has an annulment process, not all marriages were ‘meant to be,’ and were therefore invalid. You can’t get to an annulment though, without a divorce. You can’t remain married legally, and ‘divorced’ sacramentally. So, if the RCC instituted annulments, why would divorce be a sin at all times?:confused:
 
So the question remains, in this situation I mentioned, is divorce the only possible way to “ensure certain legal rights” and protect inheritance? There was only one piece of property to be divided up, and that could be done without divorce. I suppose divorce would ensure that the children inherit directly from each parent, rather than the assets from each parent’s estate going to the other parent. But by divorcing, if either parent remarries, there is increased risk that the assets of that parent would end up going to the new spouse in the event of the remarried parent’s death.

On the other hand, if they don’t divorce, and one spouse inherits the assets of the other then remarries, then the assets are still at risk of going to a new spouse. So that one is kind of a “six of one, half-dozen of the other”. It would seem to me that in my current situation, the most likely reason for the divorce is to enable one of the spouses to remarry.
I don’t know enough about the situation you have in order to say anything about it. However, continuing to own property jointly leads to all kinds of problems, not the least of which is the inability of either to convey his/her interest without the joinder of the other. I have not done divorces for a number of years, but I always tried to ensure that property rights were separated out so each had good title to what he/she received. Never have I seen continuing to own property jointly fail to lead to problems down the road. Another example is pension rights or rights in ERISA qualified plans of any kind. Without a decreed separation of the interests, the party who obtained those rights in the first place gets all, and the other gets consigned to poverty in old age.

When I did divorces, I always asked my client whether he/she thought there was any possibility of reconciliation. Almost never was the answer “yes”. Even when it was “yes” the response of the other party was almost always “no”. In a modified fault state, which this one is, divorce is inevitable if one party wants it. The answer in my mind was to try to obtain as just a result as possible. To me, the “overreaching, killer lawyer” is a myth. Never did I oppose one who could really make bad look good if one did one’s homework.

I always, always asked clients what they wanted their lives to be like when it was over. I was fascinated by the answers, and I think most of the clients were too. Once one gets past the rage and sense of hurt and instinct for revenge, most clients can be more thoughtful than most people, even most lawyers, think.

Having said that, I refused divorces when the parties were Catholics married in the Church, with, I think, only two exceptions. In both of those, the misconduct and impossibility of the client continuing in the marriage was so obvious that I felt it was a matter of protecting the client from both poverty and harm.

In all the time I was in divorce practice, I saw very few reconciliations, and one could identify those with that potential right away. When people finally come to a lawyer for a divorce, they almost always mean it. If they don’t the other does. Every once in awhile, I would determine that the client really didn’t want a divorce, but wanted to use the procedure to “discipline” the other spouse in some way. I always warned such people that divorces often take on a life of their own, and they should not do it unless they really mean to go through with it. I would send such clients down the road.
 
All property has been divided and there is nothing to fight about. My client was the difficult spouse by all accounts, although not physically abusive or addicted to any substances, but the wife was the one who decided to leave and refuses to come back. I was trying to say in my last post, although obviously not clearly enough, that I see no legal need for the divorce other than to enable the spouses to remarry. There are no grounds for annulment, and both spouses are Catholic and were married in the church.

Reading the excerpt posted from the catechism, I’m leaning towards giving him his money back and refusing to do the divorce. I know other situations are different, but I can’t come up with any moral justification here.
 
I’m curious why you say this? One cannot seek an annulment, unless he/she is civilly divorced…if the RCC has an annulment process, not all marriages were ‘meant to be,’ and were therefore invalid. You can’t get to an annulment though, without a divorce. You can’t remain married legally, and ‘divorced’ sacramentally. So, if the RCC instituted annulments, why would divorce be a sin at all times?:confused:
Whatever is approved by the Church
is entirely permissible.

I didn’t read annulment anywhere in the case presented. I assumed you had Catholic clients who simply wanted a divorce.

AndyF
 
Whatever is approved by the Church
is entirely permissible.

I didn’t read annulment anywhere in the case presented. I assumed you had Catholic clients who simply wanted a divorce.

AndyF
Oh, I’m not an attorney.😛 lol
I was just asking the question…yes, I understand what you’re saying now…sorry about that!🙂
 
So the question remains, in this situation I mentioned, is divorce the only possible way to “ensure certain legal rights” and protect inheritance? There was only one piece of property to be divided up, and that could be done without divorce. I suppose divorce would ensure that the children inherit directly from each parent, rather than the assets from each parent’s estate going to the other parent. But by divorcing, if either parent remarries, there is increased risk that the assets of that parent would end up going to the new spouse in the event of the remarried parent’s death.

On the other hand, if they don’t divorce, and one spouse inherits the assets of the other then remarries, then the assets are still at risk of going to a new spouse. So that one is kind of a “six of one, half-dozen of the other”. It would seem to me that in my current situation, the most likely reason for the divorce is to enable one of the spouses to remarry.
The questioin you are really asking is, what is the moral/sacramental issue herein. As an attorney, unless you are also a Canon lawyer, you will know that such an issue is out of your area of expertise.

The parties are separated; they have been so for a long period of time. The issue of the canonical/sacramental status of their marriage is between them, and for all practical purposes, the sacramental status will not be resolved unless and until they are divorced and one or the other applies to the tribunal for a decsion.

I think you have a moral duty to reference to the husband, your client, the teaching of the Church on the presumed validity of a marriage and a short reminder of what constitutes adultery.

I also know other attorneys may disagree with my recommendation - they would hold that your only business as an attorney is to be an attorney - that is, to speak only to the civil legal issues.

Having done divorce work for 12 years, I would disagree. But then, again, I am no longer practicing.

Once having said what you have to say, you are not his pastor; you are his attorney. You could choose to decline the divorce. However, by doing so, you are impliedly making a decision beyond the parameters of your information and expertise; while the marriage is presumed to be valid, and he may well have a girl friend, your action does not constitute the forwarding of any action on his part that would constitute adultery. You have said what needed to be said in the area of morality, and his moral choices in that area are not going to be decided by your filing and finishing the divorce.

If you are not comfortable, you can resign; if you do so, you need to tell him clearly why - that you feel that you are supporting a potential decision on his part that is adulterous. Some people will get it, some won’t.

The purpose(s) of the divorce can be manyfold. It can resolve property and inheritance issues. It can be a start of healing old wounds (and yes, it can also inflict new ones). It can be the source of resolving an issue from the beginning of the marriage - whether or not there is grounds for a decree of nullity. It can be the source of a new marriage. And rarely, it can also be the source of this marriage being re-established.

An analogy (and some would say a very poor one) is to say that to have a child is to create someone who will commit mortal sins. We have a duty to others to uphold the moral law. Ultimately, they make the decision to sin or not sin, whether they are a child or a client. The arguement that they may subsequently commit the sin of adultery sounds like a really good argument; however, it could be applied into who knows how many other legal issues; following that logic would result in no Catholic attorneys.
 
OTJM, what you say makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your analysis - it was very helpful. By the way, did you hear the Gospel today? It was the one about divorce!
 
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