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LilyM
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So if your mother or father puts a hotdog into your hand which you then eat the food doesn’t come from them? Of course it does, it’s them feeding you just as much as if they shoveled it directly own your cakehole
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CatholicCajun
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OUCH! Not very nice. Didn’t mean no disrespect. It’s about humility.
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LilyM
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Receiving in the hand is just as humble. I feel very humbled to have the privilege of touching and then tasting the Body and Blood of Christ.OUCH! Not very nice. Didn’t mean no disrespect. It’s about humility.
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BigFeet
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There’s nothing humble about profaning our Lord by dropping Him on the floor (even the smallest particle is Jesus) so others may trample on Him. It’s one thing that He offered Himself to suffer and die for our sins. It’s quite another thing that we think it’s okay for us to casually profane Him.
CatholicCajun
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About a year ago the lady that cleans the church found the Body of Christ on the floor when she lifted up the kneeler and a couple of years before that there was one found where the song books go. 
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LilyM
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Do you have any idea how many hosts fall out of people’s mouths even when tongue is used? Or get spat out for that matter - children will do so.
Or how many particles go flying through the air and fall and get trampled on even when it’s distributed by tongue? The difference between tongue and hand in regard of profanation is almost certainly an insignificant one.
Even a patten may only avoid some of the larger crumbs, if it does that much. And patens can equally well be used with hand or tongue.
I challenge you to demonstrate (and not just by anecdotes - you could find plenty of anecdotes about distribution by tongue too) that there is more casual profanation with distribution by hand than with distribution by tongue before making such baseless assumptions.
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OldRedleg
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Please reflect on Mark 7:5-15:
5 So the Pharisees and scribes questioned him, “Why do your disciples not follow the tradition of the elders but instead eat a meal with unclean hands?”
6 He responded, “Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me;
7 In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.’
8 You disregard God’s commandment but cling to human tradition.”
9 He went on to say, “How well you have set aside the commandment of God in order to uphold your tradition!
10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and ‘Whoever curses father or mother shall die.’
11 Yet you say, ‘If a person says to father or mother, “Any support you might have had from me is qorban”’ (meaning, dedicated to God),
12 you allow him to do nothing more for his father or mother.
13 You nullify the word of God in favor of your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many such things.”
14 He summoned the crowd again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand.
15 Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile.”
While it is worthy, and correct to handle the Holy Eucharist with reverence, this debate would seem to run counter to what Jesus himself thought and taught about what is really important.
NOTE: I’m not trying to judge what is in your heart. I’m just trying to say that it appears that Jesus wasn’t that concerned about such details himself.
5 So the Pharisees and scribes questioned him, “Why do your disciples not follow the tradition of the elders but instead eat a meal with unclean hands?”
6 He responded, “Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me;
7 In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.’
8 You disregard God’s commandment but cling to human tradition.”
9 He went on to say, “How well you have set aside the commandment of God in order to uphold your tradition!
10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and ‘Whoever curses father or mother shall die.’
11 Yet you say, ‘If a person says to father or mother, “Any support you might have had from me is qorban”’ (meaning, dedicated to God),
12 you allow him to do nothing more for his father or mother.
13 You nullify the word of God in favor of your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many such things.”
14 He summoned the crowd again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand.
15 Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile.”
While it is worthy, and correct to handle the Holy Eucharist with reverence, this debate would seem to run counter to what Jesus himself thought and taught about what is really important.
NOTE: I’m not trying to judge what is in your heart. I’m just trying to say that it appears that Jesus wasn’t that concerned about such details himself.
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Yerusalyim
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I think the OP and the rest of the crowd, need to remember where the liturgical washing originated. Back in the day during the offertory, they didn’t collect much money, however, the faithful would bring up bread, wine produce from the fields, eggs, raw bloody meat…etc. The priest then had to wash his hands afterwards because they were absolutely filthy, and ritual was built around it with the prayer “wash away my sins, cleanse me of my iniquities”…the same is true for the origin of many things we have at mass…the pall that covers the chalice…was originally to keep bird droppings and flies out of the chalice…
So, the washing of the hands was originally because the priest had blood and dirt and broken eggs on it…
To those who opposse receiving the Eucharist in the hand…don’t do so, but remember, the first Eucharist was just Jesus and some of his buds enjoying dinner together before a tough day…no chalices, no patens, no palls, no corporals, no purificators…and it stayed that way for years. They received in the hand, and that was the common practice for all Catholics for CENTURIES…as were Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist…St. Tarsicius for example…
I believe in respecting the Body and Blood of Christ, but I think some have become OVERSCRUPULOUS about it.
So, the washing of the hands was originally because the priest had blood and dirt and broken eggs on it…
To those who opposse receiving the Eucharist in the hand…don’t do so, but remember, the first Eucharist was just Jesus and some of his buds enjoying dinner together before a tough day…no chalices, no patens, no palls, no corporals, no purificators…and it stayed that way for years. They received in the hand, and that was the common practice for all Catholics for CENTURIES…as were Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist…St. Tarsicius for example…
I believe in respecting the Body and Blood of Christ, but I think some have become OVERSCRUPULOUS about it.
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MariaGorettiGrl
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A very good point!
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MariaGorettiGrl
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There is always something more we could do. We could crawl up to Communion on our knees. We could do like priests do when they are ordained and bow flat to the floor before receiving. Not doing all this doesn’t mean we aren’t showing full respect to God.
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NewUlm1976_2000
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Actually, I saw a parish in Southern WI that had all EMs wash their hands with the anti-bacterial washing lotion before they came up to do their duties.
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Cran
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Hope it doesn’t smell like the stuff we use at the railway misison! In addition, it peels our skin away if used more than two or three times a week…
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richwmiller
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There are no lay Eucharistic ministers.
You are confusing terms.
**Eucharistic ministers **make the Eucharist ie say mass.
Priests and bishops are Eucharistic ministers (not deacons)
Ministers of Holy Communion distribute communion
Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion are bishops, priests and deacons
The laity and even nuns can be Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.
The terms are often misused especially by EMHC’s themselves.
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scylla
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We could crawl on our knees and we actually should, if you truly believe in the real presence everyone would endorse the same.
The problem is that not everyone can do that and it would be too difficult to come up to receive, the closest we can come is to kneel right before we recieve.
See this is the great thing about being Catholic, you can always answer a question and be consistant, only when you start to deviate do you have to avoid and dodge.
(look at the question and answer sessions from the Los Angeles Religious Ed Conference, you will see some slippery answers there, it’s almost as bad as trying to get a straight answer from a Jehovah’s Witness)
We should look for consistancy and obedience.
This is why we should receive in the most respectful way possible as it affirms the real presence, who cares if they did it differently as early Christians. We should look to the better way to do things, not just the oldest. This is like saying, the early Christians baptized people naked, should we do that these days?
We should look for the more respectful way to do things and seek to give the best to God, not based upon our own personal preference but to affirm and submit to truth. So EMHC’s are to be used sparingly, is this done? Do we seek the most respectful way to treat God?
I am sure there are plenty of good people who receive in the hand with no disrespect intended, they are allowed to do so, now is it the best way to receive and the best we can do for God?
God Bless
Scylla
The problem is that not everyone can do that and it would be too difficult to come up to receive, the closest we can come is to kneel right before we recieve.
See this is the great thing about being Catholic, you can always answer a question and be consistant, only when you start to deviate do you have to avoid and dodge.
(look at the question and answer sessions from the Los Angeles Religious Ed Conference, you will see some slippery answers there, it’s almost as bad as trying to get a straight answer from a Jehovah’s Witness)
We should look for consistancy and obedience.
This is why we should receive in the most respectful way possible as it affirms the real presence, who cares if they did it differently as early Christians. We should look to the better way to do things, not just the oldest. This is like saying, the early Christians baptized people naked, should we do that these days?
We should look for the more respectful way to do things and seek to give the best to God, not based upon our own personal preference but to affirm and submit to truth. So EMHC’s are to be used sparingly, is this done? Do we seek the most respectful way to treat God?
I am sure there are plenty of good people who receive in the hand with no disrespect intended, they are allowed to do so, now is it the best way to receive and the best we can do for God?
God Bless
Scylla
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BigFeet
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Amen, Scylla.
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stmaria
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We shouldn’t worry to much,I think, about the small, not visible particles that beak of (the church has always taught that only bread that is still visible and resembles bread contains the body of Christ). And if the host breaks in greater pieces, it is easily consumed - I have even seen people licking their hands to make sure.
And personally, I think, we shouldn’t tell other people how to receice. If somebody wants to receive by hand, let him do it - it is ok with the current practice of the church (as it was in the very early days of the church - have you read something about the apostles receiving on the tongue?, no completely protestant custom…), and it is somehow being “more catholic than the pope” to say it is a departure from church teachings to do so.
Lutherns do not believe in the REAL Presence. They believe in a spiritual presence not the actual body and blood of Christ. God is present everywhere therefore he is spiritually in a Luthern communion wafer but not physically.
“Out of reverence towards this sacrament, **nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; **hence the corporal and chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament.”
-ST. THOMAS AQUINAS, Summa Theologica
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Thursday1
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While it is true that Aquinas has the weight of Canon Law in the western Church, the new law abrogates former law.
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So, that part of Aquinas is abrogated, the the new law takes its place.
Yours in Christ,
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tee_eff_em
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As long as we are clarifying terms
" – Nuns are included among the laity.
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It is superfluous to refer to "the laity
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and even nunstee
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richwmiller
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Not in the CCC!!
Ordained and religious are not laity in the CCC section 897
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Thursday1
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Can. 897 The most August sacrament is the Most Holy Eucharist in which Christ the Lord himself is contained, offered, and received and by which the Church continually lives and grows. The eucharistic sacrifice, the memorial of the death and resurrection of the Lord, in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated through the ages is the summit and source of all worship and Christian life, which signifies and effects the unity of the People of God and brings about the building up of the body of Christ. Indeed, the other sacraments and all the ecclesiastical works of the apostolate are closely connected with the Most Holy Eucharist and ordered to it.
Huh?
Yours in Christ,
Thursday
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