Lay preaching to cease in Diocese of Rochester?

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I heard, very third hand, today that Bishop Clark has been instructed by Rome to immediately cease the practice of lay preaching at Mass.

Can anybody confirm that information or explain that I am wrong?

At our parish we have had a deacon preach two weeks in a row, which is not the usual so I am praying this is true.
 
When they say “lay” preaching, they are talking about non-ordained people. Deacons are not included in that. Deacons are allowed to read the Gospel at Mass and they are allowed to give the homily.

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WanderAimlessly:
When they say “lay” preaching, they are talking about non-ordained people. Deacons are not included in that. Deacons are allowed to read the Gospel at Mass and they are allowed to give the homily.

PF
That was my whole point. Usually the deacon preaches once a month and the priest once a month and then we would hear from a nun or the head of Catholic Charities, or some other lay person, so hearing a homily from an ordained man two weeks in a row is unusual in this parish.
 
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kmmd:
That was my whole point. Usually the deacon preaches once a month and the priest once a month and then we would hear from a nun or the head of Catholic Charities, or some other lay person, so hearing a homily from an ordained man two weeks in a row is unusual in this parish.
Question for you. When the lay person “preaches” do they just stand up after the Gospel reading and start preaching or does the priest give a short comment on the readings and then the lay person “preaches”?
 
Yay!

My Family has been writing to Rome on this along with others. Maybe they are answering our requests.
 
I figured it was only a matter of time. When a bishop is authorizing something that is illicit, through some kind of loophole, the people have a right to exercise their writing skills and let the Vatican decide if the loophole is justifiable.

I would think that they would, in fact, deal with it delicately, behind closed doors and give him an opportunity to rectify it himself. No need making him look bad by making it public. I can see them giving him the benefit of the doubt that he had good intentions, but they simply aren’t buying the loophole he was using and want him to fix it. If he doesn’t comply and the letters continue to flood in from that diocese, revealing the practice hasn’t ended (IF they have asked him bring it to an end), then there would eventually be something more public.
 
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ByzCath:
Question for you. When the lay person “preaches” do they just stand up after the Gospel reading and start preaching or does the priest give a short comment on the readings and then the lay person “preaches”?
Often the deacon introduces the speaker with something to the effect of "We have been blessed for many years in this diocese with the gift of lay preachers. Today Sister Suzie Q will break open the Word. Sister…
 
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kmmd:
Often the deacon introduces the speaker with something to the effect of "We have been blessed for many years in this diocese with the gift of lay preachers. Today Sister Suzie Q will break open the Word. Sister…
Thats not what we have up here in Irondequoit at the parish I attend on occasion. The priest will give a very short talk on the readings then he will sit down and the pastoral administrator, a woman, will stand up and give a further, longer, talk. I wonder if that will go away.

But then, God willing, I won’t be around here much longer to find out.
 
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ByzCath:
Thats not what we have up here in Irondequoit at the parish I attend on occasion. The priest will give a very short talk on the readings then he will sit down and the pastoral administrator, a woman, will stand up and give a further, longer, talk. I wonder if that will go away.

But then, God willing, I won’t be around here much longer to find out.
David:

Any word on how your second interview went?

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Lux_et_veritas:
I would think that they would, in fact, deal with it delicately, behind closed doors and give him an opportunity to rectify it himself. No need making him look bad by making it public.
Also there are the laymen & women who are accustomed to asserting themsleves for 20 or 30 years. They need to be slowly phased out of their position of homilist. To strip so many all at once would only cause much animosity among the imposter homilist and parishioners. I am watching the individual websites for the parishes in this diocese for any change. One thing I do see is a marked increase in meetings for parents of homosexual children. I’d like to be a fly on the wall to see if these meetings are giving orthodox instruction to parents. At this point I have little to no trust in Bp. Clark.
 
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contemplative:
Also there are the laymen & women who are accustomed to asserting themsleves for 20 or 30 years. They need to be slowly phased out of their position of homilist. To strip so many all at once would only cause much animosity among the imposter homilist and parishioners. I am watching the individual websites for the parishes in this diocese for any change. One thing I do see is a marked increase in meetings for parents of homosexual children. I’d like to be a fly on the wall to see if these meetings are giving orthodox instruction to parents. At this point I have little to no trust in Bp. Clark.
I don’t think so much that they need to be “phased out” as opposed to the priests simply to quit asking these people to speak. From what I recall there were different speakers each week, or is that only some places? Are there regulars at some parishes? If so, then it might go something like this…

Invite them for a meeting with coffee and donuts

Pastor explains to the group (example): The bishop. and many of us priests, had the impression that under the circumstances in use by this diocese and this parish, we felt we were compliant to the GIRM. However, we have been asked to cease this activity because the Vatican does not agree with our reasoning and out of respect for the authority of the Holy See and in charity for their office, we will no longer have lay people speaking during or after the homily. I just want to thank you all for your participation. In lieu of what we were doing, we will arrange for once monthly talks, following the noon Mass, making hot dogs and donuts available, and inviting families to come and hear your reflections.

Now, given such a tactful approach, if a person wants to go off and throw a fit, or stop coming to Church because they can’t be in the sanctuary giving their own version of a homily, they need to start discussing the sin of pride in confession.

I say, end it and end it now, but with love, charity, and with a firm purpose of ammendment.

Furthermore, at my parish, Assumption Grotto in Detroit, we have conferences several times monthly anymore. Right now, Dr. George DePillo is doing a 7 - 8 session class on Veritatis Splendor, meeting after the noon Mass for about an hour or two. It is very well attended, but I don’t have numbers. The last time he did something like this, the number was about 70 men, women, teens and even children (with parents). Whole families pack our lounge for these kinds of things.

We have an upcoming set of seminars on the St. Louis de Montfort consecration to Jesus through Mary offered by the Associate, Fr. Bustamante and one of the Canons who works on the grounds, Fr. Eusebius. They will also have Fr. Paul Ward - a newer priest, also popular among the people. All are highly orthodox and I can guarantee, there will be nearly standing room only for these sessions. These will be held on some Saturdays beginning in February if memory serves.

We have had a PhD from Ave Maria University come and do a history on Sacred Music - once again, well attended.

So, you see, there are opportunities and while people may not come at first, eventually they may. However, Catholic communities which are more orthodox eat this kind of stuff up, so it may not fly in a parish with progressive and dissenting ideals.

Some of the guys at the parish just arbitrarily started barbequing hot dogs, hamburgers and sausages every Sunday, even in the winter and that enables people to buy a cheap meal and remain for the day.
 
I have seen this in NY state! We live in VA in the Arlington diocese which is fairly conservative, in that it is one of the remaining two, that doesn’t permit girl altar servers. we were in upstate NY on two different occasions and attended Mass once in Rochester.
It was a ROCK AND ROLL Mass in Rochester (my husband and son were there on an ice hockey trip and they were floored by the priest opening the Mass with ARE YOU READY TO ROCK AND ROLL? ) when the priest turned to some random girlie from the “audience” to do the sermon, my husband and son got up and walked out.
 
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Desert_82:
I have seen this in NY state! We live in VA in the Arlington diocese which is fairly conservative, in that it is one of the remaining two, that doesn’t permit girl altar servers. we were in upstate NY on two different occasions and attended Mass once in Rochester.
It was a ROCK AND ROLL Mass in Rochester (my husband and son were there on an ice hockey trip and they were floored by the priest opening the Mass with ARE YOU READY TO ROCK AND ROLL? ) when the priest turned to some random girlie from the “audience” to do the sermon, my husband and son got up and walked out.
I am so sorry. Some of our parishes are worse than others. We are all praying that our diocese will reunite itself with Rome.
 
We had a priest homilist today for the 3rd week in row…that hasn’t happened in this parish for more than 10 years. Prayers are being answered.
 
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contemplative:
Also there are the laymen & women who are accustomed to asserting themsleves for 20 or 30 years. They need to be slowly phased out of their position of homilist.
I disagree. They need to be stopped and stopped ASAP.
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To strip so many all at once would only cause much animosity among the imposter homilist and parishioners.
Too bad for them. It seems to me that many more faithful Catholics have suffered this abuse long enough. If they choose to leave over this-- so be it.
 
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ByzCath:
Thats not what we have up here in Irondequoit at the parish I attend on occasion. The priest will give a very short talk on the readings then he will sit down and the pastoral administrator, a woman, will stand up and give a further, longer, talk. I wonder if that will go away.

But then, God willing, I won’t be around here much longer to find out.
This used to happen once in a while at our parish. The woman was a pusher of womens rights and the ordination of women to the priesthood. Thankfully, the priest retired, an our present priest is really more orthodox, so this doesn’t happen any more.
 
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