Lay Responsibility for Reporting Liturgical Abuses

[paperwight66]

Are you sure they are purifying them and not just washing them? Ou priest purifies them at the altar, then after Mass they are washed by the EMHC at a sink that empties into a sewer, which is quite different since no body or blood are present.

Same here. In fact, there is no need for a sacrarium if the vessels are filled with clean water, which is then drunk by whoever is doing the purifying. What is there to be poured away?

Our church used to have sacrariums by each altar, but they were painted over and so are useless anyway.

 

[drsberryhill]

lazlo,
This is from the document Redemptionis sacramentum:
6. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

 

[TheMc]

Yes! That’s exactly what we needed to know!

 

[puzzleannie]

the laity have no responsibility for reporting liturgical abuse unless it is a matter that makes the Mass illicit or the Eucharist invalid. Unless you know for absolute fact this is true, you have first approached the priest in question and simply asked him about it, and the abuse continues, there is nothing to report. If there is you report in a one page concise letter to the bishop, giving the relevant times, place and details, sign your name and send it. Period. You are not under any obligation to report it, but you may. For further information go to the CUF website and look for the Lay Witness Protocol (also referenced in the stickies here).

 

[laszlo]

I am familiar with this. However

• there is difference between right and responsibility (laymen are not responsible for their priest, the Church is hierarchy, not democracy)
• there is difference between writing an complaint to your bishop of to the Apostolic See, (and living the judgment and action to the appropriate authority) and chewing about abuses in forums, implying the role of the infallible judge.

lazlo,
This is from the document Redemptionis sacramentum:
6. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

 

[drsberryhill]

First of all, our “sacrarium” is covered and is where the EMHC’s pour out the first washing of the chlices after consuming any remaining precious blood after communion. It definitley goes into the drain.

Secondly, I do not want to be the “liturgy police”, and I did not start this thread to encourage lay to become “liturgy police”. I am sorry if I gave you that idea. I simply wanted to know how to proceed with reporting ongoing problems, and I got some excellent answers.

Finally, I do not want and never had the intention of this thread being a place for anyone to continuously rant about liturgical abuses. As for me, I feel my questions have been answered. I will not participate in this thread any longer. Again, I do want to thank all of you for your help. God Bless!