Layman Challenges Vatican UN Rep

[HagiaSophia]

American gun law expert John Michael Snyder today blasted the Vatican’s permanent observer to the United Nations for public support of UN international gun control schemes.

Snyder, a practicing Catholic and former Jesuit seminarian, said that, “Archbishop Celestino Migliore’s public support for the proposed UN international arms control treaty is a direct attack on the God-given right of law-abiding citizens to self-defense. As such, it is an attack on the very right to life itself. Coming from an official of the world’s purportedly premier pro-life entity, it comes as a shocking example of public hypocrisy.”

Migliore last month endorsed the United Nations Program of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. This program calls for actions that could abridge the individual Second Amendment rights of people in the United States. These include the establishment of (1) a comprehensive program for worldwide gun control, (2) an international tracking certificate which would be used to ensure United Nations monitoring control over the export, import, transit, stocking and storage of legal arms and light weapons, (3) worldwide record keeping, for an indefinite amount of time, on the manufacture, holding, and transfer of small arms and light weapons, and (4) national registries and tracking lists of all legal firearms.

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[cainem]

how many us citizens have been killed with their own weapons when pulled for self defence purposes, no honestly it is a serious question if you produce a weapon how likely are you to be over powered and it used against you? just going by news reports of school shootings and security guards in your schools perhaps tightening gun, control would not be to bad a thing, also when a crime is comitted is the crook more likely to be carrying a weapon because you are and then kill your family along beside you after the attack? just curious about your culture way of life etc, so please don’t take this the wrong way

 

[pnewton]

cainem:

how many us citizens have been killed with their own weapons when pulled for self defence purposes, no honestly it is a serious question if you produce a weapon how likely are you to be over powered and it used against you?

My weapon is not readily visible. I could be overpowered without in some scenarios. If I do get it, there will not be an over-powering. I could be shot, but if I am to the point where I need to pull a gun on someone, they will not get within touching range. No one should carry a gun if they are not capable of being 100% committed to its use.

 

[pnewton]

HagiaSophia:

This program calls for actions that could abridge the individual Second Amendment rights of people in the United States. These include the establishment of (1) a comprehensive program for worldwide gun control, (2) an international tracking certificate which would be used to ensure United Nations monitoring control over the export, import, transit, stocking and storage of legal arms and light weapons, (3) worldwide record keeping, for an indefinite amount of time, on the manufacture, holding, and transfer of small arms and light weapons, and (4) national registries and tracking lists of all legal firearms.

Perhaps the Supreme court instead of trying to rewrite the constitution should enforce the one we already have. I shudder to think of an aggressor nation of being able to know everyone in the US owns a gun.

I heard today:
Iraq is in need of a new constitution. We have a great one they could have we’re not using anymore.

 

[Digitonomy]

HagiaSophia:

Snyder, a practicing Catholic and former Jesuit seminarian, said that, “Archbishop Celestino Migliore’s public support for the proposed UN international arms control treaty is a direct attack on the God-given right of law-abiding citizens to self-defense. As such, it is an attack on the very right to life itself.

You should probably have posted this in the Culture of Death forum, since that seems to be what the Vatican is promoting here.

pnewton:

I shudder to think of an aggressor nation of being able to know everyone in the US owns a gun.

Good point! Invasions by aggressor nations can be a real nuisance. The last time one of our states was invaded may have been 1916, but another could be just around the corner.

 

[CatQuilt]

cainem:

how many us citizens have been killed with their own weapons when pulled for self defence purposes, no honestly it is a serious question if you produce a weapon how likely are you to be over powered and it used against you? just going by news reports of school shootings and security guards in your schools perhaps tightening gun, control would not be to bad a thing, also when a crime is comitted is the crook more likely to be carrying a weapon because you are and then kill your family along beside you after the attack? just curious about your culture way of life etc, so please don’t take this the wrong way

Given that the Lame-stream media is pro-gun control, they never report on someone successfully defending themselves with their firearm. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen…

 

[pnewton]

Digitonomy:

The last time one of our states was invaded may have been 1916, but another could be just around the corner.

You are right. It could never happen.

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

 

[cainem]

pnewton:

You are right. It could never happen.

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

lets face it you are the worlds biggest richest well armed super power, what nation would have the man power weaponry logistics etc to attack the united states, china wouldn’t dare the rest of thenato countries would fight with you,even your combined police forces weaponry would put some countries to shame

 

[Taliesin52]

Why is it when you legislate away guns, only the bad guys seem to have them? It’s almost as if criminals (thugs, thieves, murderers, dictators, terrorists, etc…) don’t think they have to follow laws…

I’m reminded of something Churchill said in the early days of the Cold War…
Churchill:

When the animals gathered, the lion looked at the eagle and said gravely, “We must abolish talons.” The tiger looked at the elephant and said, “We must abolish tusks.” The elephant looked back at the tiger and said, “We must abolish jaws and claws.” Thus each animal in turn proposed the abolition of the weapons he did not have, until the bear rose up and said in the tones of sweet reasonableness: “Comrades, let us abolish everything–everything but the great universal embrace.”

 

[davy39]

cainem:

how many us citizens have been killed with their own weapons when pulled for self defence purposes, no honestly it is a serious question if you produce a weapon how likely are you to be over powered and it used against you? just going by news reports of school shootings and security guards in your schools perhaps tightening gun, control would not be to bad a thing, also when a crime is comitted is the crook more likely to be carrying a weapon because you are and then kill your family along beside you after the attack? just curious about your culture way of life etc, so please don’t take this the wrong way

I don’t know much about statistics, all I know is that I don’t want the United Nations overuling the laws of our land pertaining to guns or anything else. It’s just another step toward one-world government.

 

[pnewton]

cainem:

lets face it you are the worlds biggest richest well armed super power, what nation would have the man power weaponry logistics etc to attack the united states,

This decade, it is unlikely. But another important lesson from history, things change. I am sure Rome considered herself invincible, but we have the rubble around to prove this was a misconception.

 

[Adonis33]

cainem:

how many us citizens have been killed with their own weapons when pulled for self defence purposes, no honestly it is a serious question if you produce a weapon how likely are you to be over powered and it used against you? just going by news reports of school shootings and security guards in your schools perhaps tightening gun, control would not be to bad a thing, also when a crime is comitted is the crook more likely to be carrying a weapon because you are and then kill your family along beside you after the attack? just curious about your culture way of life etc, so please don’t take this the wrong way

I think people being killed with their own weapon while being used in self defence is low.

However - I do not have exact stats, but I believe many children have been accidently killed with handguns.

 

[Asking]

are you people serious? you the the usa could be invaded? have you noticed the atlantic and pacific oceans?

Or do you think canada and mexico will go mad?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Asking:

are you people serious? you the the usa could be invaded? have you noticed the atlantic and pacific oceans?

Or do you think canada and mexico will go mad?

So you think invasions only occur over land?

Ever hear of a thing called D-Day? Where a group called the Allies, invaded Europe? Lets see, I can name three of those Allies that were from two different continents that are separated by those same oceans from Europe. Ever hear of United States of America, Canada, and Australia?

 

[pnewton]

Asking:

you the the usa could be invaded?

At some point, yes. I have no reason to believe the US will be around for a thousand years. Each generation we become more complacent and each generation we become more depraved. God has no problem raising up a nation to punish us for our sins. He has done it many times before.