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Since a layperson can assist with the blessings of the throat and at ash wednesday service, are tese the same blessings the priest are giving at the same time
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The imposition of ashes is not a blessing. The ashes are a sacramental and the lay people just happen to put it on you. They do not pronounce a blessing. They remind you that you are dust and to dust you will return.
The St Blaise throat prayer is not an actual blessing. If you listen to what is said during the prayer, you will hear them asking for the intersession of St Blaise. They don’t actually pronounce a blessing.
“Through the intercession of St. Blaise, bishop and martyr, may God free you from illness of the throat and from any other sort of ill. In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
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The Priest makes the sign of the cross during such –yes it is a blessing.
It is “Through the intercession of St. Blaise” (ie asking for St Blaise to confer the blessing). Laypeople cannot pronounce liturgical blessings. Only bishops, priests, and deacons can.
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I noted the *Priest *makes the sign of the cross --it IS also a blessing.
I only meant that the laypeople don’t bless.
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Could not find my copy but another thread had the quotes:
"From the Book of Blessings:
“1626 The blessing of throats may be given by a priest, deacon, or a lay minister who follows the rites and prayers designated for a lay minister.”
lay minister: “without making the sign of the cross, says the prayer of blessing”.
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"From the Book of Blessings:
“1626 The blessing of throats may be given by a priest, deacon, or a lay minister who follows the rites and prayers designated for a lay minister.”
lay minister: “without making the sign of the cross, says the prayer of blessing”.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7535749&postcount=10
It says “** rites and prayers designated for a lay minister**”. These are not the same as those that belong to the clergy. I stand with my original statement. A layperson asking for the intersession of St Blaise is not a blessing in the same sense that the clergy bless people. They are asking for St Blaise to pray for them in the prayer.
“Through the intercession of St. Blaise, bishop and martyr, may God free you from illness of the throat and from any other sort of ill. In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
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It is a *blessing *–but yes there is a distinction.
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One reason why in blessings from the book of blessing -the lay person makes the sign of the cross on himself --not on others. Where as a Priest will make the sign of the cross over the other.
(where as in other blessings of baptized (lay) persons one can make the sign of the cross over the one blessed --such as when I bless by children).
(where as in other blessings of baptized (lay) persons one can make the sign of the cross over the one blessed --such as when I bless by children).
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The Priest says such as well.
It is both a prayer for intercession and a rite of blessing of the Church.
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Catechism:
1669 Sacramentals derive from the baptismal priesthood: every baptized person is called to be a “blessing,” and to bless.Hence lay people may preside at certain blessings; the more a blessing concerns ecclesial and sacramental life, the more is its administration reserved to the ordained ministry (bishops, priests, or deacons).
scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
1669 Sacramentals derive from the baptismal priesthood: every baptized person is called to be a “blessing,” and to bless.Hence lay people may preside at certain blessings; the more a blessing concerns ecclesial and sacramental life, the more is its administration reserved to the ordained ministry (bishops, priests, or deacons).
scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
I do not deny that laypeople can bless. I am only saying that there is a difference between a clergy blessing and a lay blessing. In the Eastern Rites, parents bless there children, etc. However, there is a difference between lay blessing and clergy blessing.
I agree. “[L]ay people may preside at certain blessings”.
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Yes
Certainly
(but such was still a rite of blessing of the Church used by the lay person to bless)
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Yes and that is one of themI agree. "[L]ay people may preside at certain blessings".
Ah, I see.Yes
Certainly
(but such was still a rite of blessing of the Church used by the lay person to bless)
I believe there was some miscommunication due to my being from the Eastern Rite. We don’t use the word “bless” when referring to asking for intercessions of the Saints. In the Liturgy of the Hours in absence of the priest, anywhere that the priest blesses people the lay leader asks for intercessions of the Saints (and we don’t call this a blessing).I understand what you are saying now.
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It is NOT just an asking for intercession --it IS also a* blessing* of the Church.Ah, I see.
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Fr. Vincent Serpa
Catholic Answers Apologist
Re: St. Blaise blessing from EMHC?
Dear Strider,
The Book of Blessings (#1626) states: “The blessing of throats may be given by a pirest, deacon, or lay minister who follows the rites and prayers designated for a lay minister…”
This can certainly be seen as yet another example of blurring the role of the priest, but it is allowed.
The Book of Blessings was prepared by the International Commission on English in the Liturgy, a joint commisssion of Catholic Bishops’ Conferences and confirmed by the Holy See.
Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=37043
Catholic Answers Apologist
Re: St. Blaise blessing from EMHC?
Dear Strider,
The Book of Blessings (#1626) states: “The blessing of throats may be given by a pirest, deacon, or lay minister who follows the rites and prayers designated for a lay minister…”
This can certainly be seen as yet another example of blurring the role of the priest, but it is allowed.
The Book of Blessings was prepared by the International Commission on English in the Liturgy, a joint commisssion of Catholic Bishops’ Conferences and confirmed by the Holy See.
Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=37043
Yes. I was acknowledging this. It is a blessing. I was thinking in Eastern Rite terms. I understand now, that in the Western Rite language this is referring to a blessing.
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