LDS Alaska Mission President says missionaries do not proselytize members of other religions!

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Politely asking…what does “we take care of our own” mean? Do the missionaries only take care of LDS families? What if families of other religions need help? Do they also shovel snow for them?

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The Mormon missionaries that came by while I was hauling pavers for my patio…helped me move a pallet of pavers to my back yard. I had the pavers ready to lay in record time…these 19-20 year old men had more energy than I did at 55…they came back a couple times to “enjoy” the patio and lunch…I’m not a Mormon…and I didn’t “convert”…in fact it became very clear early on in our “visit” that I was not a possible canidate for conversion…but they stayed and assisted me anyway.
 
The Mormon missionaries that came by while I was hauling pavers for my patio…helped me move a pallet of pavers to my back yard. I had the pavers ready to lay in record time…these 19-20 year old men had more energy than I did at 55…they came back a couple times to “enjoy” the patio and lunch…I’m not a Mormon…and I didn’t “convert”…in fact it became very clear early on in our “visit” that I was not a possible canidate for conversion…but they stayed and assisted me anyway.
I chewed the two out who knocked on my door (gently) because they were riding their bikes on the wrong side of the rode and I almost creamed them. :eek:
 
If they are thinking of God and reading the bible, they are opening up to the Holy Spirit to guide them.
Thus, I would speculate that visiting missionaries have spurred many a person to return to their home faith.
I hope any missionary would see this as a good thing.
So Mormon missionaries are trying to return people to their home faith?
 
So Mormon missionaries are trying to return people to their home faith?
Don’t be silly, of course LDS and JW are trying to convert people to their faith.
It is my opinion that they help many more return to their home faith, than convert.
It is also my opinion that they should be proud of this unintended result. 👍
 
Don’t be silly, of course LDS and JW are trying to convert people to their faith.
It is my opinion that they help many more return to their home faith, than convert.
It is also my opinion that they should be proud of this unintended result. 👍
I had a good friend who was evangelical. He took the discussions with the missionaries. He was scheduled to be baptized. A few of his friends had an “intervention” with him. They came to his house and asked him to go with them to a “meeting”…they went to a house of ex-Mormons and pretty much gave him the “inside scoop” on Mormon beliefs…and sent him off with a list of questions to ask the missionaries his next visit…he asked the questions…and chose not to go through with his baptism.

However, he was very depressed…the story of the Restoration and Joseph Smith had a profound impact on his spiritual life. The Book of Mormon became as an important text for him as his Bible…he felt “lost” and without a “rudder”.

He finally took some religious classes at one of his denominations schools…and studied church history and biblical doctrine…he said "Finally, I was able to shake off this dread that “If the Mormons aren’t right…who could be? I finally found peace in my own faith tradition…but I had to “re-learn” the basics of my faith and re-study the Bible to”…get his perspective back.

This is not a typical situation of course…but it is one instance where studying with the LDS did eventually bring him back to the faith tradition he grew up in.
 
Yeah, them ‘good ole boys’😃 who put on thier ‘go to meetin’’ clothes on Sunday to ‘hear the preacher’ is coming from a totally different mindset and church culture. Even if the church is not hostile to the RCC, for him, it’s a different world. Generations of conditioning have produced this. His father was ________, his father was a ________. It’s like a science fiction story of two planets who have been at war for so long they no longer remember the reason why or even know what the “enemy” looks like.
Actually, the families I have met consist of devoted parents and six to twelve kids, all well educated in the bible and trained musicians. They could teach us Catholics a thing or two about contraception use and family cohesiveness.

I have not come across the “good ole boys” you describe out here in the West, did meet a few when I was stationed in Virginia though, they were mostly Baptists. Many of these GospelGrass families travel year-round evangelizing through visits to nursing homes, hospitals, revivals and music festivals. While I would never consider abandoning Catholicism for their style of religion I do have a lot of respect for them.
 
Don’t be silly, of course LDS and JW are trying to convert people to their faith.
It is my opinion that they help many more return to their home faith, than convert.
It is also my opinion that they should be proud of this unintended result. 👍
There are only two kinds of religions in the world; only two. The religion where God does His part and man does His part and in the end we hope we did our part and God will find favor. So what religions fit into this category?
 
There are only two kinds of religions in the world; only two. The religion where God does His part and man does His part and in the end we hope we did our part and God will find favor. So what religions fit into this category?

Then there is the one true religion, which is really not a religion at all, but rather a personal relationship with the Savior as one serves the perfect Master, the God-man Jesus Christ where God has done it all in spite of man and some men, called saints, have the privilege to participate in the completed work of Christ to bring sinners to the Lord and Savior of mankind; all of God merits and nothing of man’s. Romans 3. Man was created for God’s pleasure and glory and man has despised Him in so many ways.

People have no idea just how grave their sin is and how pissed off God is at sinners and is just in being very very angry with sinners. In fact your sins are so bad that if we were able to put all of your thoughts over the past year, not counting your deeds, just your thoughts on a DVD and play it before all your friends and family; none of them would speak to you again. How much more have you offended a just and Holy God whom you do not know nor love, but give lip service to, which just adds more wrath in the judgment to come. I’m talking to all of you who have not been regenerated by the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. You will know if your were regenerate because you would be falling on your face and crying Thank you Thank you Thank you for saving this wretched sinner!! Your thoughts would be dominated by His love for you and you would set Him above all things, not some things, but all things. Why do you think you are on earth; there are only two reasons to be a vessel of honor to glorify Jesus Christ by teaching the gospel to others so they may also come to the Kingdom or you are just wasting away waiting for His wrath to be dumped upon you for eternity. It is not for you or about you; it is about Him!

He is the God of love and the God of Hate because to love perfectly is to hate perfectly and most of you are the object of His hate because of the offenses against Him. I am not a prophet, but Matthew 7:21 Lord Lord…depart from me. These are the many on the broad road and only a few find the narrow gate and many of those are not able to enter because they cannot let go of their self righteous works which they believe to merit salvation and thus steal the glory given only to the Son. Do you love babies, then you must hate abortion. Do you love the Jewish people, then you must Hate the Holocaust. How much more will God hate the sinner who tramples and tries to steal the glory do to Jesus? Think people; why were you created? To be a vessel of honor or of wrath? Make your choice; through yourself totally on Jesus Christ and die completely to yourself and your self-righteousness or die in your sin and be prepared for the eternal wrath of God’s just judgment to be poured onto you forever!

If you want an idea just how serious this is, then take an hour and a half of your day and listen and you will know why you exist, why you are so depraved and why it is all of God; just listen I will promise none of you here have ever heard the Gospel or the reason for the Cross anywhere you have ever been; no matter how many churches you have been in.
The Gospel: The Cross of Christ It does not mention Catholicism, Mormonism or any other ism.

May God open your minds and your hearts and listen.
 
There are only two kinds of religions in the world; only two. The religion where God does His part and man does His part and in the end we hope we did our part and God will find favor. So what religions fit into this category?

Then there is the one true religion, which is really not a religion at all, but rather a personal relationship with the Savior as one serves the perfect Master, the God-man Jesus Christ where God has done it all in spite of man and some men, called saints, have the privilege to participate in the completed work of Christ to bring sinners to the Lord and Savior of mankind; all of God merits and nothing of man’s. Romans 3. Man was created for God’s pleasure and glory and man has despised Him in so many ways.

People have no idea just how grave their sin is and how pissed off God is at sinners and is just in being very very angry with sinners. In fact your sins are so bad that if we were able to put all of your thoughts over the past year, not counting your deeds, just your thoughts on a DVD and play it before all your friends and family; none of them would speak to you again. How much more have you offended a just and Holy God whom you do not know nor love, but give lip service to, which just adds more wrath in the judgment to come. I’m talking to all of you who have not been regenerated by the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. You will know if your were regenerate because you would be falling on your face and crying Thank you Thank you Thank you for saving this wretched sinner!! Your thoughts would be dominated by His love for you and you would set Him above all things, not some things, but all things. Why do you think you are on earth; there are only two reasons to be a vessel of honor to glorify Jesus Christ by teaching the gospel to others so they may also come to the Kingdom or you are just wasting away waiting for His wrath to be dumped upon you for eternity. It is not for you or about you; it is about Him!

He is the God of love and the God of Hate because to love perfectly is to hate perfectly and most of you are the object of His hate because of the offenses against Him. I am not a prophet, but Matthew 7:21 Lord Lord…depart from me. These are the many on the broad road and only a few find the narrow gate and many of those are not able to enter because they cannot let go of their self righteous works which they believe to merit salvation and thus steal the glory given only to the Son. Do you love babies, then you must hate abortion. Do you love the Jewish people, then you must Hate the Holocaust. How much more will God hate the sinner who tramples and tries to steal the glory do to Jesus? Think people; why were you created? To be a vessel of honor or of wrath? Make your choice; through yourself totally on Jesus Christ and die completely to yourself and your self-righteousness or die in your sin and be prepared for the eternal wrath of God’s just judgment to be poured onto you forever!

If you want an idea just how serious this is, then take an hour and a half of your day and listen and you will know why you exist, why you are so depraved and why it is all of God; just listen I will promise none of you here have ever heard the Gospel or the reason for the Cross anywhere you have ever been; no matter how many churches you have been in.
The Gospel: The Cross of Christ It does not mention Catholicism, Mormonism or any other ism.

May God open your minds and your hearts and listen.
M’goodness. Jonathan Edwards would be proud.
 
He is the God of love and the God of Hate because to love perfectly is to hate perfectly and most of you are the object of His hate because of the offenses against Him. *
This does not deserve a reply.
 
M’goodness. Jonathan Edwards would be proud.
“Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” - Edwards 👍

By the way; I actually linked a different message than the one I had in mind; either is good, but this one for anyone who wants to know and love Jesus more; obviously some do not care by their sinful attitudes. http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakerWithinSource=&subsetCat=length&subsetItem=60|300&mediatype=&includekeywords=&keyword=Paul^Washer&keyworddesc=Paul+Washer&currsection=sermonsspeaker&AudioOnly=false&SpeakerOnly=true&keywordwithin=The+Greatest+Words+in+All+of+Scripture&x=15&y=13 101min - free to listen online or download as well in MP3 format.
 
“Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” - Edwards 👍

By the way; I actually linked a different message than the one I had in mind; either is good, but this one for anyone who wants to know and love Jesus more; obviously some do not care by their sinful attitudes. http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakerWithinSource=&subsetCat=length&subsetItem=60|300&mediatype=&includekeywords=&keyword=Paul^Washer&keyworddesc=Paul+Washer&currsection=sermonsspeaker&AudioOnly=false&SpeakerOnly=true&keywordwithin=The+Greatest+Words+in+All+of+Scripture&x=15&y=13 101min - free to listen online or download as well in MP3 format.
Well, Pat De,

I disagree with Edwards (and with you, come to think about it) in quite a few things.Calvinism in general leaves me cold, frankly.

There’s this problem I keep coming up with, in that any logical analysis of Calvinistic thought leaves God responsible for our sin, so that He is actually punishing us for something He made us do–or rather, for something that He has given us no choice BUT to do.

It is, frankly, a philosophical/religious argument with absolutely no hope to it. We are naught but leaves being blown by the wind; some may end up ‘saved,’ some burned in the yard fire, but we are utterly helpless to choose which.

Where is there any ‘good news’ in that?
 
“Twist not the Scripture”
The Scripture says:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 2:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]

In your post you name two groups of people who do not have access to Christ: abortion victims and Jews. According to your religion (Calvinism, which is an -ism), they have no chance of salvation because salvation is by faith alone. You then ask us if we love them. God clearly does. Why would God then allow them to be lost?
 
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