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RebeccaJ
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Yes, they sacrifice their lives to, and for, God. Why anyone would see this a bad thing is beyond me.
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sablouwho
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This is precisely why I felt that the quote in the original post was unfair – the quoted writer was either unaware of this fact, or (perhaps) knew it but glossed over it.
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aquabatix
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It was probably glossed over so that the unpaid portion of LDS bishops and the like would look better, and so the the paid general authorities wouldn’t look so bad. $70,000 year is a lot of money. There is a very large percentage of the population who live on below even half of that amount. Priest wages are more live compendated living expenses. Enough to buy food, clothes and the like.
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TheosisM
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Please remember that Eastern Catholic churches continue the Orthodox tradition of allowing married men to be ordained to the priesthood. However in both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, only celibate men can become bishops.
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aspirant
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There are also a few married men who have become Latin Catholic priests, but they’re exceptions. In Eastern Catholic Churches, they’re not exceptions inasmuch as the canon allows the ordination of either married or celibate men, as you say.
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TheosisM
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Very true. If I’m not mistaken, I believe that the few married Latin Catholic priests are converts from Anglicanism (who were Anglican priests) or some other church. And Eastern Catholics follow their Eastern Orthodox roots and allow married men to be ordained to the priesthood (which has always been the Eastern tradition if I’m not mistaken). As a whole, neither the Catholic Church nor the Orthodox Church allows ordained persons (deacons, priests, bishops) to get married after ordination, and neither selects bishops from the married priesthood population.
And of course permanent deacons, who also are ordained men serving God, can be married men in the West and East.
Just so we’re all clear on the issue of celibacy and priesthood in the Catholic Church
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aspirant
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Yes, they were priests or pastors in other Christian communities, like the Anglican and Episcopal churches or a Lutheran church, before becoming Catholic. The Catholic Church sometimes ordains these men when they come into full communion.
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Yep.As a whole, neither the Catholic Church nor the Orthodox Church allows ordained persons (deacons, priests, bishops) to get married after ordination, and neither selects bishops from the married priesthood population.
And of course permanent deacons, who also are ordained men serving God, can be married men in the West and East.
Just so we’re all clear on the issue of celibacy and priesthood in the Catholic Church
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wyp8riot
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My Opinion…
In my mind that makes little sense. If it did make sense then why don’t we all give up being married if that equals serving god and his purposes. Of course that in my mind goes against the commandment to procreate and I can’t see why God would not want his servants to enjoy the blessings of marriage.
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wyp8riot
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Admittedly I may have been unwise in posting a quote from an unknown writer.
It is nice to see the different opinions and replies.
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TheosisM
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Please see my post above. The Catholic Church has both married and celibate priests and deacons, with the majority of married priests being found in the Eastern Catholic churches (the Catholic Church is a communion of 23 churches under the Bishop of Rome, the largest of which is the Roman Catholic church).
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wyp8riot
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I believe most of them were successful financially to begin with and reasonably assume many took a cut in their income for fulfilling their calling to meet their responsibilities in THE CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST of LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
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aquabatix
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The reason all followers do not remain celibate is because God determines what life vocation we are called to. Some may serve in this way and give themselves totally to God (which is a good thing), others may be married and have children but follow God (good as well). Paul & Augustine spoke of remaining celebite even in marriage, but if one couldn’t, then within the confines of marriage is the acceptable alternative. We should control our passions and not be ruled by them. The early Church had different vocations: bishop, deacon, married, virgin, widow, etc. They were all acceptable to God.
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wyp8riot
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Yes thank you and that does make more sense to me.
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aquabatix
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This causes me to ask even further, if the GA were wealthy before their calling, why would they still need $70,000 per year instead of only living on less that covered their needs? That is still a ton of money for serving God. Even married Orthodox priests live on a lot less I’m sure.
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wyp8riot
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Here is some information that is from The Bible and excerpts from the article “Neoplatonism” by P. Hadot in the New Catholic Encyclopedia etc. that support belief in an apostasy.
Why was a Restoration needed? Haven’t we always had the Bible?
If there was an apostasy, why are you the only ones to realize it?
Why do you think Greek philosophy caused the apostasy?
To see the answer to the questions you posted from an LDS perspective see the following link.
jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Restoration.shtml#neo
re: the link above…
" This work is solely the responsibility of Jeff Lindsay and has not been officially endorsed by the Church."
Again I am not here to tell you which is right or wrong but was seeking the differences and better understanding of the Catholic beliefs. I am not pushing my views but I will offer the LDS The church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints position (my religious beliefs) because it was requested.
Happy Valentines day to all!
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wyp8riot
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I personally don’t know what all of the GA’s receive.Do you know that they all receive $70K Someone else could answer that better than I could. However your term “wealthy” is a matter of opinion, I didn’t think that was the word I used. They are generally not single and have large families. They also are likely the sole provider where as most families would have that income with both parents working which I personally believe is a detriment to society. anyway that leads to an entirely different discussion of what amount is required to live without government assistance and meet financial needs within the laws of the land. I would rather have my money go to someone serving the church and the cause of Christianity than where most of our money goes to corrupt government, politicians etc. I would challenge you to find much of anything negative that they do in the course of their day (outside of your doctrinal differences). They spend their day with efforts of fulfilling 3 fold the mission of the Church.
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RebeccaJ
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LDS require their bishops, and higher on up, are married.Just so we’re all clear on the issue of celibacy and priesthood in the Catholic Church
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RebeccaJ
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They are also generally older, with grown families that they no longer need to support.
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sablouwho
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Indeed, a poster here did ask questions. But it didn’t seem (at least not to my mind) that they were being asked out of genuine curiosity. Instead it appears that you are being goaded.
Unfortunately, this means that it is quite likely that this thread will probably spin out of control and become a nasty dog fight just like so many LDS threads in this forum. Sigh.
However, I do hope that such will not be the case and that you will be able to learn what you wanted to know about Catholic beliefs.
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