LDS and Catholic Differences

[dmbell]

Irrelevant…you already are convinced that WE are not ‘true.’ What you need to worry about is how this verse affects what you believe to be true.

This is not a good way to defend your faith… By copping out this way.

Stand up to your faith and explain, using proper text, etc from your faith, to support the actions of your faith…

This kind of response lessens my wanting to understand your stand…

 

[sablouwho]

As happens way too often, people only look at a text with one mind set, and do not look at the times, the original writing, or content in general.

This statement deserves a STANDING OVATION! :clapping: :bowdown2:

 

[SteveVH]

On the other hand, I think that by “proving” the Catholic Church apostatized, you also “prove” that the Eastern churches did as well, if you are specifically referring to common beliefs. Issues such as the Bishop of Rome and Papal doctrines, Indulgences, some Marian doctrines and speculative theology, Limbo of Infants speculation, Purgatory, Treasury of Merits, specifics on original sin, etc. are specific to the Catholic Church.

Actually, we have no differences doctrinally speaking. The Orthodox do believe in purgatory, original sin and are very devoted to Mary. But you hit the nail on the head. Rather than speculation, it is the “proof” of the great apoastasy that we are all still waiting to see. I’v been asking for this proof since the day I joined this forum and have still not received an answer.

 

[Stephen168]

This is not a good way to defend your faith… By copping out this way.

Stand up to your faith and explain, using proper text, etc from your faith, to support the actions of your faith…

This kind of response lessens my wanting to understand your stand…

I’ve only seen one Mormon that has attempted to support/explain the Mormon faith. Most seem to just want to flog the Catholic Church. Most of what I know about Mormonism I’ve learned from ex-Mormons for this reason.

 

[TheosisM]

Actually, we have no differences doctrinally speaking. The Orthodox do believe in purgatory, original sin and are very devoted to Mary. But you hit the nail on the head. Rather than speculation, it is the “proof” of the great apoastasy that we are all still waiting to see. I’v been asking for this proof since the day I joined this forum and have still not received an answer.

stjohndc.org/Russian/english.htm

It’s interesting to me that, from the Catholic perspective, there is no doctrinal difference between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches (except the role of the Bishop of Rome and where his authority comes from), and from the Orthodox perspective, there are doctrinal differences. But that’s for another thread.

As far as “proof” of the Apostasy, hopefully the Mormons here will explain, or perhaps in another thread. There are a number of Mormon apologetic books and articles written on the subject (I have three, two of which are written from the perspective of the apostasy of the Catholic Church specifically), so we know that they do write about this.

 

[SteveVH]

stjohndc.org/Russian/english.htm

It’s interesting to me that, from the Catholic perspective, there is no doctrinal difference between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches (except the role of the Bishop of Rome and where his authority comes from), and from the Orthodox perspective, there are doctrinal differences. But that’s for another thread.

As far as “proof” of the Apostasy, hopefully the Mormons here will explain, or perhaps in another thread. There are a number of Mormon apologetic books and articles written on the subject (I have three, two of which are written from the perspective of the apostasy of the Catholic Church specifically), so we know that they do write about this.

I’ve read many posts discussing the question, but never have I received an answer. The answers are usually along the lines that it basically had to have occured because they believe Joseph Smith. I’ve seen ZERO historical evidence.

 

[JMJ4]

Because this thread is about LDS and Catholic Differences, I think I can post this question here.

On another thread, I learned that the Mormons have a pageant that is put on in the summer, re-enacting stories from the BoM. Also, I know that in the summertime, LDS kids will “re-enact” the pioneers pushing handcarts across the plains, in an effort to remind the young what their ancestors went through (religious persecution?) .

Why then, are Catholics criticized for “re-enacting” the Stations of the Cross during Lent, focusing on the death and passion of Christ, instead of His resurrection?

 

[sablouwho]

Why then, are Catholics criticized for “re-enacting” the Stations of the Cross during Lent, focusing on the death and passion of Christ, instead of His resurrection?

I think it’s simply because people like to criticize things that they don’t agree with, don’t like, don’t understand, etc. It’s human nature, unfortunately.

 

[AMDGtoo]

Just finished reading this long thread and somehow there seems to have been a question of whether or not Paul was married–and I guess this has something to do with the fact that the LDS believe that everyone should be married. Sites were “volleyed” back and forth to show that he was or wasn’t. (We didn’t get to that heresy about Jesus being married too, but I bet that it wouldn’t be long before some LDS would claim that because “Jesus was called ‘rabbi’ and rabbis back then were marred”–even though one site said that that wasn’t so in history and Paul himself said that he was unmarried.) Of course, I don’t suppose anyone considered the fact that no loving God and no loving father would require dessertion of wives and children, put them at risk of being imprisoned and tortured by the Roman Empire, force said wives and children to become without a provider when their husband and father was put to death, and history simply doesn’t record wives and children “hanging around”.

 

[Tmaque]

To propose that Jesus was married and there was no written record of it somewhere is beyond laughable. Jesus was absolutely not married.

 

[Prague]

Since this thread is about the LDS and Catholic differences, I have always wondered
about the three heavens the LDS believe in.
Where would non LDS people end up in their idea of the three heavens?

Thank you

 

[dianaiad]

Oh brother, Timothy’s his real son?

I dunno…what do you think?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I dunno…what do you think?

He would have had to been married, so no Timothy is not his real son.

Also, according to 1 Timothy 1:2, Paul addresses Timothy as, ‘…my true child in faith…’

 

[SteveVH]

Since this thread is about the LDS and Catholic differences, I have always wondered
about the three heavens the LDS believe in.
Where would non LDS people end up in their idea of the three heavens?

Thank you

They would end up in the “Terrestial” level of heaven. As the name suggests, that would earth. I could be wrong here, but that is my understanding. The whole thing is bizarre. Like the JW’s they don’t believe in hell, so everyone will reach some state of heaven no matter what you believed. You cannot reach the “celestial” level unless you have been baptized and married “for time and eternity” in the Mormon church. You will be given your own planet and will procreate for eternity (that part doesn’t sound to bad:blush resulting in spirit children who will then worship you. I guess that leaves out St. Paul and Jesus as they were never married. It also gives you a clue on why they are so insistant that Paul and Jesus were married. The formula doesn’t work otherwise.

I’ll be happy to defer to a Mormon in case I got any of this wrong.

 

[SteveVH]

Since this thread is about the LDS and Catholic differences, I have always wondered
about the three heavens the LDS believe in.
Where would non LDS people end up in their idea of the three heavens?

Thank you

They would end up in the “Terrestial” level of heaven. As the name suggests, that would be earth (the lowest level). I could be wrong here, but that is my understanding. The whole thing is bizarre. Like the JW’s they don’t believe in hell, so everyone will reach some state of heaven no matter what you believed. You cannot reach the “celestial” level (the highest level) unless you have been baptized and married “for time and eternity” in the Mormon church. You will be given your own planet and will procreate for eternity (that part doesn’t sound to bad ) resulting in spirit children who will then worship you. I guess that leaves out St. Paul and Jesus as they were never married. It also gives you a clue on why they are so insistant that Paul and Jesus were married. The formula doesn’t work otherwise.

I’ll be happy to defer to a Mormon in case I got any of this wrong.

 

[dianaiad]

Hi Jerry - Do the Mormons consider the POSSIBILITY that the Catholic Church is the True Church?
One of the visiting LDS missionaries told us that “it’s either the Catholic Church or the Mormon Church that is true, not the Protestants, and we are here to tell you it’s the Mormon Church.”
I thought that was an interesting comment. (Our LDS friend told us they were repeating something one of their church leaders had said years ago).
Any thoughts?

Interesting question.

why are you asking HIM?

 

[dianaiad]

Have been trying to read this thread about the proposed differences and I wonder if it might have been mentioned that one main difference is that the foundations of the Catholic ways are Biblical and logical while the LDS is just from a man named Joseph Smith.

There appears to be nothing wrong with paid clergy. The Bible states “Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And the laborer is worthy of his reward.” (1 Timothy 5:18) And Paul himself gives praise to those who make it so they can devote themselves solely to God’s work. (And it’s only common sense that devotion to ones secular job and family PLUS God’s work is a divided focus.)

About a total apostasy. It’s only common sense that if if was indeed real, someone–anyone–would have noticed.

I believe that it is a truism that apostates never think that they actually ARE. How many folks do you know of that, having taken a stand on a religious issue would acknowlege that there position was incorrect and apostate–and insist upon holding it anyway? "Apostate’ is most often used by the winners to describe the beliefs of the losers–or at least their theological opponents.

The fact is, I have never met an apostate who thought HE was the one going in the wrong direction.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I believe that it is a truism that apostates never think that they actually ARE. How many folks do you know of that, having taken a stand on a religious issue would acknowlege that there position was incorrect and apostate–and insist upon holding it anyway? "Apostate’ is most often used by the winners to describe the beliefs of the losers–or at least their theological opponents.

The fact is, I have never met an apostate who thought HE was the one going in the wrong direction.

Interesting hearing that. How do you respond to Church of Christ Temple Lot’s claim they are the true restored Church and the other Mormons are apostates from them?

 

[JMJ4]

Interesting question.

why are you asking HIM?

Why not?

 

[JMJ4]

Interesting question.

why are you asking HIM?

I’d like to hear your answer, too.