LDS and Catholic view of Heaven

[sallybutler]

The main part was 61-71, though there was stuff before then, after, and other stuff intermixed between. If you feel I missed a point and/or want clarification, just ask about it.

Actually, the only thing that was said was that God gives people a chance to have a spouse and if they choose not to marry, their insufficiency in getting married would keep them out.

I then asked in #70 if that meant Saint Paul (celibacy is better than marriage if you are strong enough to be celibate) and Jesus (there are no marriages in heaven) were wrong. I must have missed your answer to that. Could you point me to it.

Thanks.

 

[jane_doe]

Actually, the only thing that was said was that God gives people a chance to have a spouse and if they choose not to marry, their insufficiency in getting married would keep them out.

I then asked in #70 if that meant Saint Paul (celibacy is better than marriage if you are strong enough to be celibate) and Jesus (there are no marriages in heaven) were wrong. I must have missed your answer to that. Could you point me to it.

Thanks.

I am attempting to keep this on topic in regards to questions the OP is asking. We’ve already talked about these points you mention in previous threads. You are welcome to look them up or start a new thread to ask your questions.

 

[Stephen168]

Mormonism also seems to be challenged in experiencing God. Consider that God (the father) doesn’t pervade all creation, rather another entity (his holy Spirit) does. Since Heavenly Father in Mormonism is limited in his Flesh and bone body to a specific space within the material universe it seems that it will be very unlikely that the Mormon will get to spend a great deal of time with their Heavenly Father in person. The Mormon’s attention will likewise be divided from Heavenly Father to their spouse and the spiritual children and world they will govern as a result.

If any LDS feels they can address these concerns, I would i like to hear what they have to say.

Before 1843, the Mormon Church taught God was a spirit.

In 1843, Joseph Smith had a ‘revelation’ to say, “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.”

Joseph Smith even understood how limiting a god of flesh and bone was.

 

[sallybutler]

I am attempting to keep this on topic in regards to questions the OP is asking. We’ve already talked about these points you mention in previous threads. You are welcome to look them up or start a new thread to ask your questions.

I did look up the posts you mentioned, even going so far as to use your words from one of those posts.

Snce you don’t want to answer the question, let me ask it a different way that relates to what the OP.

Why, according to your church, does one have to be a member of the priesthood (in other words, a married man) in order to reach the highest level of heaven?

 

[Stephen168]

I am attempting to keep this on topic in regards to questions the OP is asking. We’ve already talked about these points you mention in previous threads. You are welcome to look them up or start a new thread to ask your questions.

Actually the question is VERY ON TOPIC. How does a religion which claims to be a restoration explain this: How does Mormon teaching on salvation with a requirement for marriage square with the apparent opposite teaching and example of Christ and the Apostles?

You have avoided this very ON TOPIC question/statement a few times on this thread.

 

[Tarquin]

Conditions for LDS to achieve Celestial kingdom:

1. Faith
2. Being married
3. endowments

Plus, a Mormon must either “endure to the end” or receive their Second Anointing.

2 Nephi 31:15 And I heard a voice from the Father, saying: Yea, the words of my Beloved are true and faithful. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
16 And now, my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end, in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved.

The first anointing promises blessings in the future, after death, and is only conditional. The fulfilment of the promise depends on the anointee’s faithfulness. The Second Anointing actually bestows those blessings in the here and now. Those who “have their calling and election made sure” are those who have received the promise (“sure word of prophecy”) that the Lord has sealed their exaltation upon them, even though they have in fact not “run the race” to the end. Both their salvation and their exaltation are assured. No sin they may commit invalidates the Second Anointing. Therefore, this special category of people does not have to “endure to the end.”

 

[rmcmullan]

Those of you who “have ears” might consider D&C 137:

7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;

8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;

9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.

10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Those of you who “have ears” might consider D&C 137:

Sounds like baptism of desire.