LDS and JW's

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Former LDS here; never been JW.

I’ve had lots of delightful conversations with JWs and from the ensuing experience, it seems the major commonalities between the two are that they’re both Christian sects founded in 19th century New York, with the Mormons preceding the Jehovah’s Witnesses by about 50 years.

Per Religio’s earlier post:

Are the JWs really “restorationists” in the sense that the LDS are or more like the Stone-Campbellite movement? JW acquaintances have always stressed to me that Charles Taze Russel wasn’t a “prophet” in any sense that the LDS understand the term, he was just an intelligent guy who happened to “read the Bible correctly”.
 
Another difference: All JWs are required to go out “in service” - knocking on doors, trying to get people to take their literature. They are required to keep track of the # of hours spent “in service” and submit a report at the end of each month. If a JW skips a month, he is considered “irregular”… several skipped months and he’s considered an “inactive JW.” Those were the terms when I was more closely associated with the JWs… not sure if they are still used today.

I believe only LDS men are encouraged to become Missionaries - in their late teens for a period of two years. Maybe life long missionary work is an option as well, but I don’t believe it’s required of everyone. Zerinus?
That is about right. LDS fulltime missionaries (the young men) serve for two years, and then return home. For the young sisters, if they have the desire to serve they can, but it is not considered an obligation. Older, retired couples can also serve fulltime missions; but their schedules and rules about what they do are a bit different. They have more autonomy in what they do when they are on their missions. We also have a motto which says, “Every member a missionary!” That means that every Mormon should be aware of missionary moments, and be willing and able to share the message of the restored gospel with friends and relatives, and others that one comes into contact with. But there is no requirement to go knocking on doors, and nobody asks you to give a report.
Another difference: JWs: If a serious sin becomes known to the elders, the gulity JW is brought before them and even if he expresses repentance, the elders may decide that he should be shunned by the congregation for a period of time - usually 6 months if he’s repentant. He must continue to attend all meetings but no one may speak to him - including family members who reside outside his home. After the time has passed, the JW again goes before the elders and they decide if he has been forgiven, or if more time must pass.
I believe that a repentant LDS member does not recieve the same treatment from his congregation. Repentant being key. Again - Zerinus would have to respond to that?
Non-repentant ones don’t either! That would be an awfully unkind way to treat someone who is undergoing the process of repentance. If someone has sinned, there are certain sanctions that can be imposed, depending on the severity of the sin. But shunning the sinner is never a part of that.

BTW, another “difference” is that JWs are not allowed to read literature form other religions. They are eager to give you a copy of the Watchtower magazine and expect you to read it; but if you give them a Catholic or Mormon literature, they are instructed not to read them—which is kind of unfair!
 
Interesting? How so? Just odd little bits of trivia I guess. Everyone else was talking about theological differerences… I thought I’d add the practical living differences.
That’s what I was referring to, actually.
And the no pants on women “in service” or at meetings IS a big deal to JW’s… as is no facial hair - like beards on men.
Hmnn… I actually had to go back and re-read that part. I misread it, and thought you said that Mormons don’t allow women to wear pants in church.

We don’t. Or rather, we aren’t going to kick anybody out who DOES, but it’s considered disrespectful if there is no compelling reason to wear trousers. Of course, that only applies to the chapel, and it is purely cultural. There is no doctrinal reason for it one way or the other, and it depends upon the culture. The idea is that you get dressed up in your very best to attend Sacrament meeting, as a gesture of respect for God and where you are. Not ‘formal’ party wear, but definitely 'Sunday go to meeting." That has been traditionally skirts/dresses for women, suits and ties for men in western nations. It means other styles of dress elsewhere.
You think it’s a cultural thing… it’s actually an important aspect of the JW life…one must follow ALL the rules to show obidence to Jehovah.
Ok…are you a Jehovah’s Witness, or were you?
Another difference: All JWs are required to go out “in service” - knocking on doors, trying to get people to take their literature. They are required to keep track of the # of hours spent “in service” and submit a report at the end of each month. If a JW skips a month, he is considered “irregular”… several skipped months and he’s considered an “inactive JW.” Those were the terms when I was more closely associated with the JWs… not sure if they are still used today.

I believe only LDS men are encouraged to become Missionaries - in their late teens for a period of two years. Maybe life long missionary work is an option as well, but I don’t believe it’s required of everyone. Zerinus?
Men and women both may go. I served a mission in England, a whole bunch of years ago. It is encouraged that Mormons be willing to share their faith, but we don’t send our members door to door the way JW’s do.
Another difference: JWs: If a serious sin becomes known to the elders, the gulity JW is brought before them and even if he expresses repentance, the elders may decide that he should be shunned by the congregation for a period of time - usually 6 months if he’s repentant. He must continue to attend all meetings but no one may speak to him - including family members who reside outside his home. After the time has passed, the JW again goes before the elders and they decide if he has been forgiven, or if more time must pass.

I believe that a repentant LDS member does not recieve the same treatment from his congregation. Repentant being key. Again - Zerinus would have to respond to that?
Actually, no, he wouldn’t. We are far more likely to talk his socks off. Everybody loves a repentant sinner. 😉

Or rather, that’s the way it is supposed to work. Mind you, the nature of the sin committed may be such that his family and friends might find it a little difficult. I mean, the guy who runs off with his eighteen year old dental assistant and leaves his wife and eight kids behind with no child support might get the cold shoulder…but then that guy isn’t going to want to be all that chummy with us, either.
 
Former LDS here; never been JW.

I’ve had lots of delightful conversations with JWs and from the ensuing experience, it seems the major commonalities between the two are that they’re both Christian sects founded in 19th century New York, with the Mormons preceding the Jehovah’s Witnesses by about 50 years.

Per Religio’s earlier post:

Are the JWs really “restorationists” in the sense that the LDS are or more like the Stone-Campbellite movement? JW acquaintances have always stressed to me that Charles Taze Russel wasn’t a “prophet” in any sense that the LDS understand the term, he was just an intelligent guy who happened to “read the Bible correctly”.
That would make them more like the Stone-Campbell movement, then, wouldn’t it? The other restorationist groups all seem to claim a divinely inspired originator; us, the Millerites, the Shakers…
 
BTW, another “difference” is that JWs are not allowed to read literature form other religions. They are eager to give you a copy of the Watchtower magazine and expect you to read it; but if you give them a Catholic or Mormon literature, they are instructed not to read them—which is kind of unfair!
I wonder if that’s an official doctrine/policy, or something local? I wish Dave were more productive a writer here. I have a million questions to ask him about stuff like this.
 
I wonder if that’s an official doctrine/policy, or something local? I wish Dave were more productive a writer here. I have a million questions to ask him about stuff like this.
That is their official policy and practice. Everything that yellowbird has said about them is true, and more could be added. You will be lucky if Dave comes back. They tend to run away too quickly when things get too hot for them. The Achilles heel of their theology is the identity of Jesus. If it can be proved from the Bible that Jesus=Jehovah (which can be done quite easily), that brings the entire theological structure of their religion crashing down. When you start proving that out of the Bible, they drop everything and run.
 
That is their official policy and practice. Everything that yellowbird has said about them is true, and more could be added. You will be lucky if Dave comes back. They tend to run away too quickly when things get too hot for them. The Achilles heel of their theology is the identity of Jesus. If it can be proved from the Bible that Jesus=Jehovah (which can be done quite easily), that brings the entire theological structure of their religion crashing down. When you start proving that out of the Bible, they drop everything and run.
If so, that’s too bad. You know me, Zerinus: I want all my information about any belief system from the mouths of the true believers. Now Yellowbird was accurate about US, so it’s probable that she’s accurate about them, too…but I need confirmation.

I get in a lot of trouble doing it any other way.
 
Jesus could NOT have been created. According to John 1:3 :

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Notice that it says that Jesus made ALL THINGS and NOTHING… not ONE THING… NOTHING was made apart from Him.

How could Jesus be a created being if NOTHING was made apart from Him?

I find it curious that your New World Translation adds the word [other] … Through him all [other] things were made. Those pesky little [brackets] attest to the fact that the word [other] is added and NOT part of the Bible text. Adding to the Bible is a big :tsktsk: Rev 22:18.
Dear Yellowbird and Zerinus, I am very busy at this time–but I will address all of your comments soon. You are extremely wrong on many points! I have had over 46,000 hours of Bible study under Catholics, Baptists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses and many others in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew languages, and various Manuscripts. You are in for many eye-opening surprises. Back soon.
 
Dear Yellowbird and Zerinus, I am very busy at this time–but I will address all of your comments soon. You are extremely wrong on many points! I have had over 46,000 hours of Bible study under Catholics, Baptists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses and many others in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew languages, and various Manuscripts. You are in for many eye-opening surprises. Back soon.
By the way, I did not mean that in a boastful way, (Rom 12:3:) I only meant that we are all in for a wondeful journey through the scriptures Proverbs 2:3,4…I know I can learn from ALL of you and I hope you can learn from me.
 
By the way, I did not mean that in a boastful way, (Rom 12:3:) I only meant that we are all in for a wondeful journey through the scriptures Proverbs 2:3,4…I know I can learn from ALL of you and I hope you can learn from me.
While I am up for a good exploration through the scriptures, I also hope that you are willing to answer some straightforward questions regarding JW culture and practices. I also hope that you are willing to explain some of the perceptions others have of you, to confirm or deny them.
 
While I am up for a good exploration through the scriptures, I also hope that you are willing to answer some straightforward questions regarding JW culture and practices. I also hope that you are willing to explain some of the perceptions others have of you, to confirm or deny them.
I will answer everything you can possibly ask. But please be patient. I am a very busy DJ and it is wedding season…no, I do not play Gangster Rap…BY THE WAY the the perceptions have a lot to do with Luke 10:21 and John 15:21.
 
I will answer everything you can possibly ask. But please be patient. I am a very busy DJ and it is wedding season…no, I do not play Gangster Rap…BY THE WAY the the perceptions have a lot to do with Luke 10:21 and John 15:21.
OK,

I’m going to be asking you to give us (OK…me…) the simplified version, if you please. I’ll be very honest with you. I want to know WHAT you believe, so that I don’t misrepresent those beliefs, or get them confused.

I’m also interested in why you believe what you believe.

I’m not interested in argument in which we attempt to prove each other wrong. That OK?
 
That is their official policy and practice. Everything that yellowbird has said about them is true, and more could be added. You will be lucky if Dave comes back. They tend to run away too quickly when things get too hot for them. The Achilles heel of their theology is the identity of Jesus. If it can be proved from the Bible that Jesus=Jehovah (which can be done quite easily), that brings the entire theological structure of their religion crashing down. When you start proving that out of the Bible, they drop everything and run.
Zerinus, i’ve just been told that mormons apparently believe that Christ was not the son of god but just a prophet? I’ve never heard of this claim but is it true!?
 
Zerinus, i’ve just been told that mormons apparently believe that Christ was not the son of god but just a prophet? I’ve never heard of this claim but is it true!?
Mormonism teaches that He is the Only Begotten Son of God, the Savior, the Messiah, the second member of the Godhood, through Whom all things were created.

Judaism and Islam teach that He was a prophet only. Islam even teaches the virgin birth.

Mormons are neither Jews nor Muslims.

I wonder; if your cousin’s mother’s sister’s pastor told your best friend’s brother that Catholics ate babies, would you come running to the forum breathlessly demanding if that was true, too?
 
OK,

I’m going to be asking you to give us (OK…me…) the simplified version, if you please. I’ll be very honest with you. I want to know WHAT you believe, so that I don’t misrepresent those beliefs, or get them confused.

I’m also interested in why you believe what you believe.

I’m not interested in argument in which we attempt to prove each other wrong. That OK?
Really the objective of this mandate is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. 6By deviating from these things certain ones have been turned aside into idle talk, 7wanting to be teachers of law, but not perceiving either the things they are saying or the things about which they are making strong assertions.
 
But seriously, someone just told me this only today. But to be honest i don’t believe it but just had to clarify…
Consider it clarified. I am, quite frankly, surprised that you had to have that clarified.
 
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