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dianaiad;
It wouldn’t be silly at all, Zundruh, if we haven’t told you many times Who we believe Jesus to be. I’ve told you. Parker has. You have written posts on threads that discuss Who we think Jesus is, and you have insulted us on most of them.
Insult?
It wouldn’t be silly at all, if you didn’t like posting so many one line insults about Mormonism, calling us cultists, frauds, and other things.
I never called you frauds! I did call you a cult, admitedly.
But you have been told, and you do insult us and warn people not to learn about us.
I should warn people of your “church” because it is wrong, Catholicism has never lost its guidance of the spirit nor has it lost its authority, nor can you prove that it has lost its authority.
If you honestly don’t remember what we’ve told you about what we believe, that’s fine. Ask as many times as you need to. That’s not a problem.
Not a problem? I think you are being sadistic when you say that, becuase you seem to be so easily offended even when I joke with you.
Just don’t expect us to be patient with you
I will be patient with you however, since that is part and parcel of being a christian.
when you write so many insulting posts about us
You write equally insulting post about catholicism Dianaiad.
pretending that you know who we are and what we believe, when you don’t.
I ceratinly know more about mormonism than I need to know.
That’s not nice, or fair. It gets people upset.
Hmm… Dianaiad you are quite suttle and angry aren’t you?
 
yes. Unless you don’t think posts like:
"zundrah:
She cannot play nice…

P.S. The book of mormon is a fictional story. It is their “proof” that the catholic church strayed from Christs’ teachings.
or
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zundrah:
…nervous? …whacky? Dianaiad you have just discribed all of your post!

I know enough about Catholicsm to know that mormonism isn’t worth researching.
or:
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zundrah:
Well I think that going to a mormon church would be the same as going to a mosque…
Mormon church - they’ll do their best to brain wash you.
I think that going to a mormon chruch would be like dabbeling in the accult!
or:
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zundrah:
I am happily married to christ - not joseph smith!
…but try telling the mormons that…LOL
Maybe I should just burn that mormon book or something…
or: (in response to Jerusha saying that the Book of Mormon is ALL garbage)
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zundrah:
That’s right, it’s all garbage! You tell them all Jerusha!
are COMPLIMENTS.
I never called you frauds! I did call you a cult, admitedly.
Actually, you have, but I went back less than a month for these examples.
I should warn people of your “church” because it is wrong, Catholicism has never lost its guidance of the spirit nor has it lost its authority, nor can you prove that it has lost its authority.
Zundruh, for you to warn people of our ‘church’ (what’s with the quotes around the word ‘church?’) you actually have to know something about what we believe. If you don’t, what are you warning people against? You don’t even know if we believe that Jesus is the Son of God (which we do) or a mere prophet. You remind me of the guy who stands with his back to a flooded river, warning travelers to watch for rattlesnakes in the dry stream bed.

At best, it’s not useful, and at worst, it’s counterproductive. It should always make you feel silly.
Not a problem? I think you are being sadistic when you say that, becuase you seem to be so easily offended even when I joke with you.
Given your idea of joking comments, I think your calling me sadistic is pretty ironic. I’ve already commented about your mud puddle approach to humor, y’know…about how shoving your friend in the mud puddle, then saying 'just kidding!" doesn’t mean the kid’s not still in the puddle. When you insult someone, claiming to have been ‘just kidding’ is a cowardly way of avoiding responsibility.
I will be patient with you however, since that is part and parcel of being a christian.
So is being courteous, Zundruh. I’ll settle for that.
You write equally insulting post about catholicism Dianaiad.
No, dear, I don’t. But feel free to try to find even one that comes close to anything you have written about Mormonism. You will not, you know.
I ceratinly know more about mormonism than I need to know.
Well, you don’t know enough to warn others about it, since you don’t know the most basic things.
Hmm… Dianaiad you are quite suttle and angry aren’t you?
‘suttle?’

As for 'angry?" Well, yeah. It makes me angry to see someone write stuff like the above quotes, and not even know the most basic things about our beliefs. It would be like me warning the world against Catholicism because they worship statues and eat babies.

Or…you warning people about a belief system that you not only know little about, but admit quite proudly that you have no intention of learning about.

I mean, that’s fine, but you can’t have this both ways. Either stop the warning, snarky comments, insults and claims that we are cultists, dabble in the occult and all the other **** you are saying, or else learn about what we really believe so that when you do warn people about us, you actually know what you are talking about.

I think that’s fair.
 
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I mean, that’s fine, but you can’t have this both ways. Either stop the warning, snarky comments, insults and claims that we are cultists, dabble in the occult and all the other **** you are saying, or else learn about what we really believe so that when you do warn people about us, you actually know what you are talking about.

I think that’s fair.
Awwww, so bitter.

If I really don’t understand what mormons believe in then I guess that you will have to admit that your “church” is so different from basic christianity.

P.S. I think you are taking this way too seriously.
And hang on a second, what is that about catholics eating babies? I’ve never heard of that?
 
Awwww, so bitter.

If I really don’t understand what mormons believe in then I guess that you will have to admit that your “church” is so different from basic christianity.

P.S. I think you are taking this way too seriously.
And hang on a second, what is that about catholics eating babies? I’ve never heard of that?
(sigh)

They don’t, Zundrah. That was the POINT.

uhmn…wait…you didn’t really just say that I have to admit that my “church” (there’s those quotes again…What’s up with that, anyway?) is 'so different from basic christianity" because YOU don’t understand it?

Did I really read that right?

(grin)

Now that’s funny.
 
(sigh)

They don’t, Zundrah. That was the POINT.
😛 He he…

Are you really so tired of me Dianaiad? :hug1:

I think that secretly you love posting to me, and you can’t stop yourself. :heaven:

P.S. What do you think of my signature photo?

xxXx zundrah xXxx
 
😛 He he…

Are you really so tired of me Dianaiad? :hug1:

I think that secretly you love posting to me, and you can’t stop yourself. :heaven:

P.S. What do you think of my signature photo?

xxXx zundrah xXxx
It is a perfect picture of me after dealing with one of your posts, Zundrah.
 
(sigh)

uhmn…wait…you didn’t really just say that I have to admit that my “church” (there’s those quotes again…What’s up with that, anyway?) is 'so different from basic christianity" because YOU don’t understand it?

Did I really read that right?

(grin)

Now that’s funny.
Yes, you did read that right.

(no grin, but a grasping of hands in prayer instead)

Ahem…

Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
 
…believe it or not, I am always thinking of you Dianaiad. I have sent you about three friend ship request now haven’t I? lol

I like you really, God bless you.
It is 2:22am here, I have to go.

xxXx zundrah xXxx
 
But no, they react as if I’d just told their four-year-olds that Santa Claus doesn’t exist. I have destroyed their entire world view.

I don’t get it.
He doesn’t?? :bighanky:

You haz destroid my tiny trust.
 
He doesn’t?? :bighanky:

You haz destroid my tiny trust.
There, there…it was just a hypothetical example. Santa exists. I believe most sincerely in good old St. Nicholas; I stay up and try to catch him every year even now.

I’ve never managed, though. This year I’m asking for a Harley. If I can only get my son to teach me to ride one.
 
One diff I have noticed in my dealings with LDS and JW missionaries:

LDS missionaries wear name tags. The ones in my neighbourhood have their name (“Elder John Jones”), I think it also says “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”, altho’ I can’t remember verbatim…and a lot have (I believe) the same information in Chinese – most of the missionary elders at the temple(?) on Broadview I guess patrol the area around Little Chinatown at Broadview and Dundas. It’s kind of funny seeing the reaction of your average Chinese being spoken to in Chinese by a young fellow of European descent.

Unfortunately, nowadays, it is sometimes difficult to tell an LDS missionary from a clan-cut Geek Squad tech.
 
I’d like to get in line for questions… Here is mine:

Do you still believe that Jesus Christ returned in 1914 and chose his faithful and discreet slave, Charles T. Russel, to be His channel of communication? And that 1914 marked the begining of the end of this system of things and the generation that saw those events take place would not pass away?

Since the generation did NOT pass away as the Watchtower Society prophecized in every single AWAKE magazine for years, what do you make of that in light of the Bible’s warnings of a fale prophet in these verses in the NWT:

Duet 18:

20 “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’
Hi I’m back for a few minutes. Boy you all have some great questions! How come very few Catholics and Mormans in the door to door work ever wan to engage in a conversation. Jehovah’s Witnesses LOVE questions!..okay, as far as i can tell THIS is the first question from two days ago.

Hi dj dave,
You quoted, “In the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god.”

Catholics believe there is only One True God - do you believe there are more than one true God? Because if Jehovah is the One True God - and yet Jesus is another god… what does that make Him, a false god? Or a second true God? :confused:

Catholics believe there is only One True God - do you believe there are more than one true God?
Jesus also said that there was one “only true God” and separated from himself
Jo 17:3 "3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."

As you may know we usually quote 2 Cor 4:3, 4 to show that there are other God’s
*“3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.” *

But there is only one True Almighty God. Jesus is spoken of as “mighty God” Isa 9:6
“6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”
(Notice also that he is “Prince” not “King” of peace.)

NOW, the grammatical construction in John 1:1 involves an anarthrous predicate, that is, a predicate noun without the definite article “the,” preceding the verb, which construction is primarily qualitative in meaning and indicates that “the logos has the nature of theos.” He further stated: “In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate is so prominent that the noun [the·os′] cannot be regarded as definite.” (Journal of Biblical Literature, 1973, pp. 85, 87) Other translators, also recognizing that the Greek term has qualitative force and describes the nature of the Word, therefore render the phrase: “the Word was divine.”—AT; Sd; compare Mo; see NW appendix, p. 1579.

WE BELIVE THAT JESUS WAS DIVINE BUT HE WAS NOT ALMIGHTY GOD.
Compare “(2 Peter 1:4) . . .Through these things he has freely given us the precious and very grand promises, that through these YOU may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

Then, at Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·o′tes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·o′tes in basically the same way it does thei·o′tes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering thei·o′tes as referring to quality, not personality.
A consideration of the context of Colossians 2:9 clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.” (Col 1:19) Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” (KJ, Dy), because it was “by God’s own choice.” (NE) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father. Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”—Col 3:1.
There’s more…to come on this. I’m out of room on this post. I’ll be right back.
 
Okay, now here is an easy explanation as to why I believe that John 1:1 should stay the NWT version.
In the Greek there is no “A” or “An”…everywhere you see an “A” or “An”…in the NT had to be put there by the translators.
Now, let’s pretend that you have just picked up these writings for the first time in the 1st century.
Just after John wrote it around 98 C.E. You would read “was God”…but then you would read “The Word was with God.” …then vs. 18 “no man has ever seen God” …then you would read
(John 5:19) Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
(John 6:38) because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.
(John 7:16) Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me.
John 20:17) Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”
…and so on.
So John 1:1 highlights the quality of the Word, that he was “divine,” “godlike,” “a god,” but not Almighty God. This harmonizes with the rest of the Bible, which shows that Jesus, here called “the Word” in his role as God’s Spokesman, was an obedient subordinate sent to earth by his Superior, Almighty God.
There are many other Bible verses in which almost all translators in other languages consistently insert the article “a” when translating Greek sentences with the same structure. For example, at Mark 6:49, when the disciples saw Jesus walking on water, the King James Version says: “They supposed it had been a spirit.” In the Koine Greek, there is no “a” before “spirit.” But almost all translations in other languages add an “a” in order to make the rendering fit the context. In the same way, since John 1:1 shows that the Word was with God, he could not be God but was “a god,” or “divine.”
Joseph Henry Thayer, a theologian and scholar who worked on the American Standard Version, stated simply: “The Logos was divine, not the divine Being himself.” And Jesuit John L. McKenzie wrote in his Dictionary of the Bible: “Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated . . . ‘the word was a divine being.’”

So did these versions
Harwood, 1768, “and was himself a divine person”
Thompson, 1829, “the Logos was a god
Reijnier Rooleeuw, 1694, “and the Word was a god”
Hermann Heinfetter, 1863, [A]s a god the Command was”
Abner Kneeland, 1822, “The Word was a God”
Robert Young, 1885, (Concise Commentary) “[A]nd a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word”
“In a beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was with the God and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god.” John 1:1 21st Century NT Literal
Belsham N.T. 1809 “the Word was a god”
Leicester Ambrose, 1879, “And the logos was a god”
J.N. Jannaris, 1901, [A]nd was a god"
George William Horner, 1911, [A]nd (a) God was the word"
James L. Tomanec, 1958, [T]he Word was a God"
Siegfried Schulz, 1975, “And a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word”
Madsen, 1994, “the Word was a divine Being”
Becker, 1979, “ein Gott war das Logos” [a God/god was the Logos/logos]
Stage, 1907, “Das Wort war selbst gttlichen Wesens” [The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being].
Bhmer, 1910, “Es war fest mit Gott verbunden, ja selbst gttlichen Wesens” [It was strongly linked to God, yes itself divine Being/being]
Holzmann, 1926, “ein Gott war der Gedanke” [a God/god was the Thought/thought]
Rittenlmeyer, 1938, “selbst ein Gott war das Wort” [itself a God/god was the Word/word]
Smit, 1960, “verdensordet var et guddommelig vesen” [the word of the world was a divine being]
Schultz, 1987, “ein Gott (oder: Gott von Art) war das Wort” [a God/god (or: God/god of Kind/kind) was the Word/word].
John Crellius, Latin form of German, 1631, “The Word of Speech was a God”
Greek Orthodox /Arabic translation, 1983, “the word was with Allah[God] and the word was a god”
Robert Harvey, D.D., 1931 “and the Logos was divine (a divine being)”
Jesuit John L. McKenzie, 1965, wrote in his Dictionary of the Bible: "Jn 1:1 should
rigorously be translated . . . ‘the word was a divine being.’
Joseph Priestley, LL.D., F.R.S. “a God”
Lant Carpenter, LL.D “a God”
Andrews Norton, D.D. “a god”
Paul Wernle, Professor Extraordinary of Modern Church “a God”
next question
 
—Quote (Originally by yellowbird)—
Jesus could NOT have been created. According to John 1:3 :

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Notice that it says that Jesus made ALL THINGS and NOTHING… not ONE THING… NOTHING was made apart from Him.

How could Jesus be a created being if NOTHING was made apart from Him?

I find it curious that your New World Translation adds the word [other] … Through him all [other] things were made. Those pesky little [brackets] attest to the fact that the word [other] is added and NOT part of the Bible text. Adding to the Bible is a big :tsktsk: Rev 22:18.
—End Quote—
I agree with you that messing with scripture and adding stuff is not a good idea (the johanine comma, anyone?)

I wonder why the Jehovah’s Witnesses include the ‘other’ in brackets? What is the reasoning behind the addition?

Glad you asked. Now, many of the quotes and other comments I will be making are from various sources. More on that later. I wish I was as smart as this makes me look.

…it is the solid information that matters.

Question for yellowbird*…Does Koine Greek Always Require the Use of a Word for “Other”?*
The koine Greek of the New Testament has a number of words that may be translated as ‘other’. These include among a number of others αλλος (allos), ετερος (heteros), λοιπος (loipos). Frequently, however, the concept of ‘other’ is not stated expressly, it is simply implied.
Instructive in this regard is the comment made by noted scholars Blass, Debrunner and Funk, in their Grammar:

“Further ellipses: (1) The omission of the notion ‘other, whatever’ (§ 306 (5)) is specifically Greek.” [3]

In other words, Greek sometimes takes it for granted that the word ‘other’ is implied. This phenomenon is not unique to Greek; it is sometimes encountered in English, which may occasionally omit the word ‘other’ when there is little chance of misunderstanding. But an examination of the New Testament indicates that this type of structure is encountered with much greater frequency in koine Greek.

Consider, for example, the following phrases from the book of Acts. The original Greek is followed by the King James Version rendering in red and the New International Version in blue.

Acts 5:29
αποκριθεις δε Πετρος και οι αποστολοι ειπον
[apokritheis de Petros kai oi apostoloi eipon]

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said

Peter and the other apostles replied

Acts 4:6
Καιαφαν και Ιωαννην και Αλεξανδρον και οσοι ησαν εκ γενους αρχιερατικου
[Kaiaphan kai Ioannen kai Alexandros kai hosoi esan ek genous archieratikou]

Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest,
Caiaphas, John, Alexander and the other men of the high priest’s family

Acts 16:25
Κατα δε το μεσονυκτιον Παυλος και Σιλας προσευχομενοι υμνουν τον Θεον· επηκροωντο δε αυτων οι δεσμιοι.
[Kata de to mesonyktion Paulos kai Silas proseuchomenoi hymnoun ton Theon; epekroonto de auton oi desmioi]

And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them.

It is evident that in the above cases other is not expressed in Greek - but it is implied. The Greek expression translated literally as “Peter and the apostles” does not imply that Peter was not an apostle. Likewise, Caiaphas was the High Priest, and Paul and Silas were prisoners. The New International Version has correctly supplied the word ‘other’, which is implicit in the above sentences, although it is not possible to point to a particular word in the above sentences that is translated other. The King James Version has done likewise in Acts 5:29, but not in the other two instances, leaving it to the intelligence of the reader to understand this.

Use of “pas” to mean ‘all other’
The omission of words that express the notion ‘other’ is particularly common with the Greek word pas (all). This may be seen by comparing verses in the New International Version and many others where a form of the Greek word pas is translated by ‘all other(s)’ or some similar phrase. In the following table, none of the verses cited use any of the Greek words traditionally translated ‘other’. The word is merely implied by the context.

Matt. 26:35
And all the other disciples said the same.
Mark 12:43
this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.
Luke 3:19
And all the other disciples said the same.
Luke 11:42
you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs
Luke 13:2
Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?
Luke 13:4
do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?
Acts 16:32
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.
1 Cor. 6:18
All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
2 Cor. 9:13
your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.
1 Thess. 3:12
May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other and for everyone else
1 Thess. 5:15
always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else

To be continued tomorrow night …your answer to “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Notice that it says that Jesus made ALL THINGS and NOTHING… not ONE THING… NOTHING was made apart from Him.
How could Jesus be a created being if NOTHING was made apart from Him?”

(Hint) see (John 1:17) Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ.
 
dj dave ~ I’m still not understanding the two God things. If there is only 1 True God… all others are false gods. Satan is a “god” to some people… but he is a false god. Money is a “god” to alot of people… or fame… but again - they are false and should NOT be worshiped. If you believe that Jesus is “a god” but not part of the One True God… he must fall under the false god catagory. Unless you believe there are TWO true Gods… Him and Jehovah?

If you were to make a diagram and you drew a big circle and titled it One True God, I assume you’d put Jehovah in that circle. Outside of that circle are false gods. Where is Jesus? Is he in the circle with Jehovah? Or do you make a different circle for him… not part of the One True God… but not with the false gods? If so, then there are TWO Circles for True Gods (or gods) and I reject the notion that the are two Gods who should be worshipped. The Bible is VERY clear that there is only One True God.

You can’t have it both ways. You cannot say there is One True God… Jehovah… and Jesus is another god without saying that Jesus is a false god. Unless Jesus is ALSO the One True God.
 
Hi I’m back for a few minutes. Boy you all have some great questions! How come very few Catholics and Mormans in the door to door work ever wan to engage in a conversation. Jehovah’s Witnesses LOVE questions!..okay, as far as i can tell THIS is the first question from two days ago.
Actually, I do try, Dave. I invite Jehovah’s Witnesses in for a glass of water (they come out in the most gosh awful heat, all dressed up, and my front porch is not shaded) and offer to talk. The last four or five times they have come by, as soon as they found out I was a Mormon, their eagerness to engage in conversation was exceeded exponentially by their desire to get to the next house. One of these days one of you will actually accept my invitation. I promise, nobody will get hurt, irritated or even mildly annoyed. I won’t forcibly baptize anybody in my bathtub. Really.
Hi dj dave,
You quoted, “In the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god.”

Catholics believe there is only One True God - do you believe there are more than one true God? Because if Jehovah is the One True God - and yet Jesus is another god… what does that make Him, a false god? Or a second true God? :confused:

Catholics believe there is only One True God - do you believe there are more than one true God?
Jesus also said that there was one “only true God” and separated from himself
Jo 17:3 "3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."

As you may know we usually quote 2 Cor 4:3, 4 to show that there are other God’s
"3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through."

But there is only one True Almighty God. Jesus is spoken of as “mighty God” Isa 9:6
“6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”
(Notice also that he is “Prince” not “King” of peace.)

NOW, the grammatical construction in John 1:1 involves an anarthrous predicate, that is, a predicate noun without the definite article “the,” preceding the verb, which construction is primarily qualitative in meaning and indicates that “the logos has the nature of theos.” He further stated: “In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate is so prominent that the noun [the·os′] cannot be regarded as definite.” (Journal of Biblical Literature, 1973, pp. 85, 87) Other translators, also recognizing that the Greek term has qualitative force and describes the nature of the Word, therefore render the phrase: “the Word was divine.”—AT; Sd; compare Mo; see NW appendix, p. 1579.

WE BELIVE THAT JESUS WAS DIVINE BUT HE WAS NOT ALMIGHTY GOD.
Compare “(2 Peter 1:4) . . .Through these things he has freely given us the precious and very grand promises, that through these YOU may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

Then, at Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·o′tes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·o′tes in basically the same way it does thei·o′tes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering thei·o′tes as referring to quality, not personality.
A consideration of the context of Colossians 2:9 clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.” (Col 1:19) Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” (KJ, Dy), because it was “by God’s own choice.” (NE) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father. Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”—Col 3:1.
There’s more…to come on this. I’m out of room on this post. I’ll be right back.
The above was interesting to read, but I was made uncomfortable by your assumption that you knew what the Catholics believed, and then used their beliefs to ‘prove’ yours.

The problem with that approach is that when you use it, you can’t afford to get even the smallest thing about the other belief system wrong. When you do, the entire conversation is stopped; you have lost credibility and any chance to explain your position. All the attention goes immediately to your mistake regarding the other belief system.

…and you WILL get something wrong. How can you not? You aren’t a member of that other belief system. You really don’t know, entirely, what the other person thinks or believes. So I’m going to ask you a favor to move this along.

Don’t try to reference my beliefs when you answer my questions, if you choose to try to answer them. Just…explain your viewpoint. I’d really appreciate that.
 
dj dave ~ I’m still not understanding the two God things. If there is only 1 True God… all others are false gods. Satan is a “god” to some people… but he is a false god. Money is a “god” to alot of people… or fame… but again - they are false and should NOT be worshiped. If you believe that Jesus is “a god” but not part of the One True God… he must fall under the false god catagory. Unless you believe there are TWO true Gods… Him and Jehovah?

If you were to make a diagram and you drew a big circle and titled it One True God, I assume you’d put Jehovah in that circle. Outside of that circle are false gods. Where is Jesus? Is he in the circle with Jehovah? Or do you make a different circle for him… not part of the One True God… but not with the false gods? If so, then there are TWO Circles for True Gods (or gods) and I reject the notion that the are two Gods who should be worshipped. The Bible is VERY clear that there is only One True God.

You can’t have it both ways. You cannot say there is One True God… Jehovah… and Jesus is another god without saying that Jesus is a false god. Unless Jesus is ALSO the One True God.
Certainly for one to believe the teachings of Christ he must know and worship the God that Christ worshiped. Do not erroneously conclude that Christians are to worship Christ; that is not what he taught. True, he is a god, a mighty one, (this means a mighty Spriit Person) but he did not worship himself and he did not teach his disciples to worship him. Rather, on the day he was resurrected he told Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” The Father was not to be ignored as if he were one and the same with the Son. Jesus said: “He that sent me is real.”—John 20:17; 7:28.
It is true that his opponents accused Jesus of making himself equal to God by calling God his own Father, but in so doing they misrepresented the facts, as do those who teach the doctrine of the trinity today. Jesus answered their falsehood by saying a I stated above: “Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative.” No, he was not equal to God, and he further emphasized that point by saying: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 5:18, 19; 14:28) His own disciples properly understood the matter, and when he asked them, “Who do you say I am?” they did not confuse his identity with that of the Father or say that he was a member of a triune Godhead. No; Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” His Father had sent him to earth to glorify God and to “give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.”—Matt. 16:15-17; 20:28.
PLUS The word “God” or “god” is commonly used regarding a superhuman object of veneration. Thus, in the minds of many people, “god” means either (1)the Supreme Being, the Almighty, or (2)a false god, such as an idol. However, the Bible allows for other usage. We can see this from Psalm 82:1,2. There the Divine One (Jehovah God) is distinguished from human judges whom the psalmist terms “gods.” Jesus himself later referred to this passage. Because he had spoken of Jehovah God as being his Father, some Jews wanted to stone him. To their accusation that he was ‘making himself a god,’ Jesus responded: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? If he called [those human judges] ‘gods’ ... do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?”—John 10:31-36.
Unquestionably, YELLOWBIRD there is only one Almighty God, even as the apostle Paul wrote: “For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, .
.. and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” (1Corinthians 8:5,*6) The Lord Jesus Christ is no false god, no demon god, no mere idol. He ‘is the reflection of Jehovah God’s glory.’ (Hebrews 1:3) Thus it is fitting for John 1:1 to acknowledge Jesus as “a god,” or “godlike” (Johannes Schneider).

Whom, then, did Jesus worship, and whom does he teach us to worship? He answers: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Perhaps the Bible translation you have does not say “Jehovah” at Matthew 4:10 but says “the Lord.” If so, please note that Jesus was quoting this from another source, saying, “It is written.” He quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13, where, in the King James Version, the word “LORD” is printed in all capital letters. Why? Because the original text at this place contains the Hebrew characters for the name of God, Jehovah. Jesus used that name and kept it prominent, his own name meaning “Jehovah is salvation.” He taught us to pray: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.” In his own prayer to the Father he said: “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.” Jesus was a worshiper of Jehovah God, and those who are his disciples follow his example.—Matt. 6:9; John 17:6.
 
Actually, I do try, Dave. I invite Jehovah’s Witnesses in for a glass of water (they come out in the most gosh awful heat, all dressed up, and my front porch is not shaded) and offer to talk. The last four or five times they have come by, as soon as they found out I was a Mormon, their eagerness to engage in conversation was exceeded exponentially by their desire to get to the next house. One of these days one of you will actually accept my invitation. I promise, nobody will get hurt, irritated or even mildly annoyed. I won’t forcibly baptize anybody in my bathtub. Really.

The above was interesting to read, but I was made uncomfortable by your assumption that you knew what the Catholics believed, and then used their beliefs to ‘prove’ yours.

The problem with that approach is that when you use it, you can’t afford to get even the smallest thing about the other belief system wrong. When you do, the entire conversation is stopped; you have lost credibility and any chance to explain your position. All the attention goes immediately to your mistake regarding the other belief system.

…and you WILL get something wrong. How can you not? You aren’t a member of that other belief system. You really don’t know, entirely, what the other person thinks or believes. So I’m going to ask you a favor to move this along.

Don’t try to reference my beliefs when you answer my questions, if you choose to try to answer them. Just…explain your viewpoint. I’d really appreciate that.[/QUOT

I grew up in a Catholic FAMILY. What did i say that made you think "*your assumption that you knew what the Catholics believed, and then used their beliefs to ‘prove’ yours.
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I have not said one thing that is not true…did you confuse the “quote” with my actual reply?..oh, and thank you for the water… they may have been lesser educated Witnesses–some simply do not have the time to study as much as others. I would definitely engage you in a discussion as you will see when I get to your questions.
 
There are publications by the JWs that give a good exposition of their theological beliefs, but they are not easy to get hold of nowadays. This article from the BBC website gives a brief and reasonably accurate summary of their beliefs. The following articles were written by JWs, and try to avoid entering too deeply into their doctrinal beliefs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs_and_practices_of_Jehovah’s_Witnesses
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah’s_Witnesses
watchtowerinformationservice.org/doctrine-changes/jehovah-witness-beliefs/

Edit: The last link was the wrong one. I just corrected it.
I enjoyed those links, however much of what was said was not supported with the scriptural reasons. If you want the scriptures just ask (about which point spoken of you question.)
 
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