LDS Baptizes and Seals St. Damien to a "wife"

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Twopekinguys,

I did “bother” to read. (Did you?)

I read the name Marie Damien as in “Mormons have both baptized Damien by proxy and “sealed” him for eternity to a wife named Marie Damien.” There would of course be no such people, either as the husband or as the wife. They don’t exist. Any sincere genealogist would know this. It is a bogus entry.
Maybe you’re the one not getting it.

His submission is under his birth name, Joseph De Veuster , and the wife is listed under the name given by his order. (Damien) So yes, the wife is a bogus entry. Any wife sealed to him would be a bogus entry since he wasn’t married.

Also, that listing has since been removed, so that adds greatly to the possibility that it was in fact Fr. Damien.

By the way, I notice you didn’t address the response about “filters” on the church computer system that you were so sure didn’t exist. Way to dodge:thumbsup:
 
That is appalling, but not surprising.

Jewish leaders have had a long struggle with the Mormon Church taking names of Jews who died during the Holocaust, and baptizing them by proxy into the Mormon Church.

So, The Jews, who suffered unimaginable persecution because of their Jewish faith, will appear as Mormons in ancestry records.

Very disturbing.

Anna
Why worry about it. It means nothing. Just a fantasy on the part of the LDS.

Peace
James
James, you know I usually agree with you. 🙂

But think about your descendants, one day, deciding to research the family ancestry–only to discover you were baptized as a Mormon and listed in ancestry records as a Mormon.

Think about the Jews who died for their Jewish faith during the Holocaust, showing up years later—as baptized into the Mormon church.

That’s why it matters.

Anna
 
James, you know I usually agree with you. 🙂

But think about your descendants, one day, deciding to research the family ancestry–only to discover you were baptized as a Mormon and listed in ancestry records as a Mormon.

Think about the Jews who died for their Jewish faith during the Holocaust, showing up years later—as baptized into the Mormon church.

That’s why it matters.

Anna
Who would it matter to?

If our faith is bogus, then neither the person for whom the work was done nor the person reading about it is affected in anyway. In fact, if it weren’t for the Mormons and the work we are doing, the odds are rather high that your descendents wouldn’t read anything at all about you. They wouldn’t know who you are, or how you are related to them. You would be…nonexistant.

If our faith is correct, then you would be able to say ‘sorry, no thank you’ to our offer, keep your own faith and go your own way, whatever way that is. Your descendents would know this.

I know that you don’t care what I think about this; after all, I’m only the Mormon DOING this stuff, and whose beliefs are affected here (or whose beliefs would affect you, in the event…), but quite frankly…

Look at it this way. Who do you want deciding whether you listen to, or accept, a religious teaching or offer of such work? Do you want to reserve that choice for yourself, or do you think that once you are dead, your descendents suddenly take over all your thinking?

If you believe in an afterlife, don’t you think you still get to do your own thinking? So…how is offering YOU something being disrespectful to THEM? Come to think of it, how is offering you something being disrespectful to YOU? I mean, I could see the point of all the angst if WE thought that doing proxy work for you forced you into doing, or accepting, something you don’t believe in now, but we don’t. Quite the opposite.

So…

Really.

Who is being disrespectful here? We, who go to the work of making certain that you will remain known to your descendents, and offer you a choice that you have every right and ability to turn down…or your descendents, who take offence on your behalf, and treat you like the dotty old lady who needs a guardian? Don’t you think you will be able to make your own decisions in this?

I mean, after all, WE think you will.

What your descendents might read is more like “the Mormons made an offer. We have no clue what your ancestor did about it.”

In other words, I don’t suppose your Dad would think too kindly of you making his decisions for him. Why do you think you have the right to make THIS one?
 
In light of how this was not done intentional, why are Catholics so unforgiving when such a thing happens?

I submit, that most Latter Day Saints follow a procedure to make sure that such things do not cause problems in families.

Move on folks, trying to make something into something it does not have to become.

Are Latter Days Saints not to make mistakes? I far as I see, Catholics are far from perfect.
 
I wonder if it is a sin to assume ill intentions of the Mormons here on this matter. From my very basic, and most likely poor understanding of this rite they do, it would be impossible for them to fact check each and every entry. Perhaps, they could try to do this. But, I get the impression that they have a duty by conscience to do as many as possible, before the end times. Maybe I misread their true intention and motives.

We may disagree with each other on many things. Clearly, I do.

But to ascribe ill intentions, where there may not be any at all is not helping anyone arrive at “truth”.

As to the controversial baptisms of the dead, I have a personal opinion on that matter. I think if the mormon church has guidelines and rules on how this rite shall be preformed (sorta like a grim?) and has broken it, then they should make every effort to correct any errors and rectify the situation where and when able to do so.

I am not sure if their rites are indelible, as the catholic church’s, but it should not matter.

Integrity matters.
 
Who would it matter to?

If our faith is bogus, then neither the person for whom the work was done nor the person reading about it is affected in anyway. In fact, if it weren’t for the Mormons and the work we are doing, the odds are rather high that your descendents wouldn’t read anything at all about you. They wouldn’t know who you are, or how you are related to them. You would be…nonexistant.

If our faith is correct, then you would be able to say ‘sorry, no thank you’ to our offer, keep your own faith and go your own way, whatever way that is. Your descendents would know this.

I know that you don’t care what I think about this; after all, I’m only the Mormon DOING this stuff, and whose beliefs are affected here (or whose beliefs would affect you, in the event…), but quite frankly…

Look at it this way. Who do you want deciding whether you listen to, or accept, a religious teaching or offer of such work? Do you want to reserve that choice for yourself, or do you think that once you are dead, your descendents suddenly take over all your thinking?

If you believe in an afterlife, don’t you think you still get to do your own thinking? So…how is offering YOU something being disrespectful to THEM? Come to think of it, how is offering you something being disrespectful to YOU? I mean, I could see the point of all the angst if WE thought that doing proxy work for you forced you into doing, or accepting, something you don’t believe in now, but we don’t. Quite the opposite.

So…

Really.

Who is being disrespectful here? We, who go to the work of making certain that you will remain known to your descendents, and offer you a choice that you have every right and ability to turn down…or your descendents, who take offence on your behalf, and treat you like the dotty old lady who needs a guardian? Don’t you think you will be able to make your own decisions in this?

I mean, after all, WE think you will.

What your descendents might read is more like “the Mormons made an offer. We have no clue what your ancestor did about it.”

In other words, I don’t suppose your Dad would think too kindly of you making his decisions for him. Why do you think you have the right to make THIS one?
Diana,
There is no way we will be able to come to an agreement on this because our beliefs regarding the afterlife are so disparate. It should be enough that since we find it so offensive, you should respect our views and leave those who are offended by these actions alone.

As a Catholic I believe these ceremonies mean nothing, do nothing, and have no merit. This is beside the point. As a Catholic, I find this offensive. So, I am supposed to suppress my belief that there is only one baptism and that it must be done during the period of a persons life. Furthermore, I’m supposed to accept that potentially down the line me, or a member of my family, might have their name associated with a church I rejected? Your rights, with all due respect, end when they infringe on the rights of others. LDS should keep this in their own circles and leave others alone.
 
Diana,
There is no way we will be able to come to an agreement on this because our beliefs regarding the afterlife are so disparate. It should be enough that since we find it so offensive, you should respect our views and leave those who are offended by these actions alone.

As a Catholic I believe these ceremonies mean nothing, do nothing, and have no merit. This is beside the point. As a Catholic, I find this offensive. So, I am supposed to suppress my belief that there is only one baptism and that it must be done during the period of a persons life. Furthermore, I’m supposed to accept that potentially down the line me, or a member of my family, might have their name associated with a church I rejected? Your rights, with all due respect, end when they infringe on the rights of others. LDS should keep this in their own circles and leave others alone.
Well said.

If it such a great and honorable thing that is being done, why does the LDS church hide which ordinances have been done? What is there to hide. The only way a person can find out which ordinances have been done is if you’re mormon, and have your little computer password.

I can’t believe that a religion that is always screaming about being persecuted, not respected, etc. etc, refuses to respect members of another religion.

What the lds have done to those that were killed during the haulocost is a travesty to say the least.
 
This is a very emotional topic. It may be poor forum manners to post a second time to ammend or add to a prior post, but I am past edit mode and thought some more about all this.

Is or has there been any attempt by the catholic church to talk to the mormon church about this matter?

It would help me greatly, to make sense out of all this if I had any credible information that this kind of attempt was made in order to protect the families involved.
 
In light of how this was not done intentional, why are Catholics so unforgiving when such a thing happens?
How is it “unforgiving” to express our disapproval of this, or publicly state that we find this offensive? I don’t think anybody here thinks the person who did this had evil intentions, nevertheless, we don’t like it. But I was glad to see (above) that they at least removed St. Damien’s name. But why do you say this was “not done intentional”? Was it an accident? Do you have evidence for that? Look, this isn’t the biggest issue, but I think the Mormons here are just compounding the problem with their disingenuous or just plain false statements, and stubborn refusal to say that this was wrong - not even the part about giving a holy, Christ-like priest - “the leper-priest” - a wife, when he had taken a vow of celibacy.
I submit, that most Latter Day Saints follow a procedure to make sure that such things do not cause problems in families.
Move on folks, trying to make something into something it does not have to become.
“Move on”? It just came up!
Are Latter Days Saints not to make mistakes? I far as I see, Catholics are far from perfect.
Oh now you can see! But I have yet to see one of you Mormons even acknowledge that anything wrong was done here, although you’re getting warmer!
 
Look at it this way. Who do you want deciding whether you listen to, or accept, a religious teaching or offer of such work? Do you want to reserve that choice for yourself, or do you think that once you are dead, your descendents suddenly take over all your thinking?
Wow. Of course I don’t want my descendants taking over my thinking for me after I’m dead…

I want the Mormons to!
In other words, I don’t suppose your Dad would think too kindly of you making his decisions for him. Why do you think you have the right to make THIS one?
Wow. Why in the world would you or any Mormon think you have the right to “baptize” or “seal” somebody you don’t even know, and put them in the Mormon “Church” rolls? And if you’re “the Mormon DOING this stuff”, what do you make of this statement from the OP article:
“It is counter to church policy to submit anyone’s name for temple ordinances if you aren’t related to that person,” Trotter said. “The church reiterates this policy regularly and we follow it to the best of our ability.”
 
How is it “unforgiving” to express our disapproval of this, or publicly state that we find this offensive? I don’t think anybody here thinks the person who did this had evil intentions, nevertheless, we don’t like it. But I was glad to see (above) that they at least removed St. Damien’s name. But why do you say this was “not done intentional”? Was it an accident? Do you have evidence for that? Look, this isn’t the biggest issue, but I think the Mormons here are just compounding the problem with their disingenuous or just plain false statements, and stubborn refusal to say that this was wrong - not even the part about giving a holy, Christ-like priest - “the leper-priest” - a wife, when he had taken a vow of celibacy.

“Move on”? It just came up!

Oh now you can see! But I have yet to see one of you Mormons even acknowledge that anything wrong was done here, although you’re getting warmer!
Luke,
I’ll say it again: whoever submitted the names was doing it for the wrong reasons using poor “research” methods, so you are correct that it was wrong altogether. There was no surname “Damien” (nor any part of the name) for the people whose “temple work” was supposedly being done. It was bogus. The research was bogus. The ordinance work was a waste of people’s time. The SL Tribune article was a waste of ink because any competent genealogist knows you use the real names of people, not a name they chose for themselves later in life. The research was not done competently–it was a bogus submittal. One minute of research could figure that out…
 
Luke,
I’ll say it again: whoever submitted the names was doing it for the wrong reasons using poor “research” methods, so you are correct that it was wrong altogether. There was no surname “Damien” (nor any part of the name) for the people whose “temple work” was supposedly being done. It was bogus. The research was bogus. The ordinance work was a waste of people’s time. The SL Tribune article was a waste of ink because any competent genealogist knows you use the real names of people, not a name they chose for themselves later in life. The research was not done competently–it was a bogus submittal. One minute of research could figure that out…
Okay, I don’t really want to spend any more time on this. I don’t particularly like this Mormon tradition, but I’ve never said anything about it before. The part of this case that was upsetting was seeing them giving a wife to such a holy priest who made a vow to God to be a celibate. But I haven’t seen any evidence that this was simply incompetence, and somehow I doubt we’ll ever find out. Just so you know, I have defended and even complimented Mormons here on several occasions. I don’t like to see the harsh attacks against them, especially when you guys are such great allies on the extremely important moral issues. God bless.
 
Questions, please.

Isn’t genealogy and rites different?

It seems that someone collecting genealogical information might have mistakenly-entered information.

But a “rite” performed, it would seem to me, demands more attention. It’s MUCH more than praying.

How does one baptize the already Baptized?

Saint Damien was Baptized Catholic. And logic dictates this was a Religious life-long choice of Saint Damien.
 
Who would it matter to?

If our faith is bogus, then neither the person for whom the work was done nor the person reading about it is affected in anyway. In fact, if it weren’t for the Mormons and the work we are doing, the odds are rather high that your descendents wouldn’t read anything at all about you. They wouldn’t know who you are, or how you are related to them. You would be…nonexistant.

If our faith is correct, then you would be able to say ‘sorry, no thank you’ to our offer, keep your own faith and go your own way, whatever way that is. Your descendents would know this.

I know that you don’t care what I think about this; after all, I’m only the Mormon DOING this stuff, and whose beliefs are affected here (or whose beliefs would affect you, in the event…), but quite frankly…

Look at it this way. Who do you want deciding whether you listen to, or accept, a religious teaching or offer of such work? Do you want to reserve that choice for yourself, or do you think that once you are dead, your descendents suddenly take over all your thinking?

If you believe in an afterlife, don’t you think you still get to do your own thinking? So…how is offering YOU something being disrespectful to THEM? Come to think of it, how is offering you something being disrespectful to YOU? I mean, I could see the point of all the angst if WE thought that doing proxy work for you forced you into doing, or accepting, something you don’t believe in now, but we don’t. Quite the opposite.

So…

Really.

Who is being disrespectful here? We, who go to the work of making certain that you will remain known to your descendents, and offer you a choice that you have every right and ability to turn down…or your descendents, who take offence on your behalf, and treat you like the dotty old lady who needs a guardian? Don’t you think you will be able to make your own decisions in this?

I mean, after all, WE think you will.

What your descendents might read is more like “the Mormons made an offer. We have no clue what your ancestor did about it.”

In other words, I don’t suppose your Dad would think too kindly of you making his decisions for him. Why do you think you have the right to make THIS one?
I find the baptism and marriage by proxy highly offensive. Whether or not something offends me is not an arguable issue. It offends me, period.
 
haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1036093.html

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U.S. Jewish group to Mormons: Stop baptizing Holocaust victims
By Associated Press
Tags: Holocaust, Mormons

Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon Church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the **church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.
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Leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are making changes to their massive genealogical database to make it more difficult for names of Holocaust victims to be entered for posthumous baptism by proxy, a rite that has been a common Mormon practice for more than a century.

But Ernest Michel, honorary chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors, said that is not enough. At a news conference in New York City on Monday, he said the church also must implement a mechanism to undo what you have done.

“Baptism of a Jewish Holocaust victim and then merely removing that name from the database is just not acceptable,” said Michel, whose parents died at Auschwitz. He spoke on the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Nazi-incited riots against Jews.

**“We ask you to respect us and our Judaism just as we respect your religion,” Michel said in a statement released ahead of the news conference. “We ask you to leave our six million Jews, all victims of the Holocaust, alone, they suffered enough.”
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Michel said talks with Mormon leaders, held as recently as last week, are over. He said his group will not sue, and that the only thing left, therefore, is to turn to the court of public opinion.

In 1995, the church agreed not to perform baptisms or other rites for Holocaust victims, except in the very rare instances when they have living descendants who are Mormon.

Church spokesman Mike Otterson said Michel’s decision to publicly denounce the church seems like a unilateral termination of the discussion.

“Those steps by Mr. Michel on behalf of the American Gathering were both unnecessary and unfortunate and belie the long and valued mutual respect that we have had in past years,” Otterson said in an e-mail.

Posthumous baptism by proxy allows faithful Mormons to have their ancestors baptized into the 178-year-old church, which they believe reunites families in the afterlife.

Using genealogy records, the church also baptizes people who have died from all over the world and from different religions. Mormons stand in as proxies for the person being baptized and immerse themselves in a baptismal pool.

Only the Jews have an agreement with the church limiting who can be baptized, though the agreement covers only Holocaust victims, not all Jewish people.** Jews are particularly offended by baptisms of Holocaust victims because they were murdered specifically because of their religion.**
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Michel suggested that posthumous baptisms of Holocaust victims play into the hands of Holocaust deniers.

“They tell me, that my parents’ Jewishness has not been altered but?100 years from now, how will they be able to guarantee that my mother and father of blessed memory who lived as Jews and were slaughtered by Hitler for no other reason than they were Jews, will someday not be identified as Mormon victims of the Holocaust?” Michel said Monday.**

Under the agreement with the Holocaust group, Mormons could enter the names of only those Holocaust victims to whom they were directly related. The church also agreed to remove the names of Holocaust victims already entered into its massive genealogical database.

Otterson said the church has kept its part of the agreement by removing more than 200,000 names from the genealogical index.

But since 2005, ongoing monitoring of the database by an independent Salt Lake City-based researcher shows both resubmissions and new entries of names of Dutch, Greek, Polish and Italian Jews.

The researcher Helen Radkey, who has done contract work for the Holocaust group, said her research suggests that lists of Holocaust victims obtained from camp and government records are being dumped into the database.

She said she has seen and recorded a sampling of several thousand entries that indicate Mormon religious rites, including baptisms, had been conducted for these Holocaust victims, some as recently as July.

“I’ve seen a steady procession of Jewish Holocaust names, especially names with camps linked to them, going to the International Genealogical Index,” said Radkey, who acknowledges that she has limited access to the records. “There’s no possible way of knowing exactly how many names, but it’s substantial.”

Church officials say a new version of the database - called New Family Search - will fix the problems. In the works for six years, the new database will discourage the submission of large lists of unrelated individuals. It will also separate names intended for temple rites from those submitted purely for genealogical purposes, the church states in a letter sent to Michel on Nov. 6.

The names of any Holocaust victims we can identify in the database are to be flagged with a special designation - not available for temple ordinances, the letter states.

The church also proposes jump-starting a monitoring committee formed in 2005 to review database entries. The committee has met just once since 2005.

In May, the Vatican ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons so that Catholics could not be baptized.
 
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=27825

Vatican Warns of Mormon 'Baptism of the Dead’
By Chaz Muth
5/3/2008

Catholic News Service (www.catholicnews.com)
**Vatican issues an order to Bishops to not allow Parish records to be given to genealogical societies of the Mormon Church.
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WASHINGTON (CNS) - In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons’ Genealogical Society of Utah.

An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers.

The order came in light of “grave reservations” expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation’s letter said.

Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops’ Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records – such as baptismal documentation – to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members.

Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints – commonly known as Mormons – for more than a century, allowing the church’s faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church’s Salt Lake City headquarters.

In a telephone interview with CNS May 1, Otterson said he wanted a chance to review the contents of the letter before commenting on how it will affect the Mormons’ relationship with the Catholic Church.

“This dicastery is bringing this matter to the attention of the various conferences of bishops,” the letter reads. “The congregation requests that the conference notifies each diocesan bishop in order to ensure that such a detrimental practice is not permitted in his territory, due to the confidentiality of the faithful and so as not to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”

The letter is dated 10 days before Pope Benedict XVI’s April 15-20 U.S. visit, during which he presided over an ecumenical prayer service attended by two Mormon leaders. It marked the first time Mormons had participated in a papal prayer service.

Father Massa said he could see how the policy stated in the letter could strain relations between the Catholic Church and the Latter-day Saints.

“It certainly has that potential,” he said. "But I would also say that the purpose of interreligious dialogue is not to only identify agreements, but also to understand our differences. As Catholics, we have to make very clear to them their practice of so-called rebaptism is unacceptable from the standpoint of Catholic truth."

The Catholic Church will eventually open a dialogue with the Mormons about the rebaptism issue, Father Massa said, “but we are at the beginning of the beginning of a new relationship with the LDS. The first step in any dialogue is to establish trust and to seek friendship.”

The two faiths share intrinsic viewpoints on key issues the United States is facing, particularly the pro-life position on abortion and an opposition to same-sex marriage.

However, theological differences have cropped up between Mormons and Catholics in the past.

In 2001 the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation issued a ruling that baptism conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cannot be considered a valid Christian baptism, thus requiring converts from that religion to Catholicism to receive a Catholic baptism.

“We don’t have an issue with the fact that the Catholic Church doesn’t recognize our baptisms, because we don’t recognize theirs,” Otterson said. “It’s a difference of belief.”

When issuing its 2001 ruling, the Vatican said that even though the Mormon baptismal rite refers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the church’s beliefs about the identity of the three persons are so different from Catholic and mainline Christian belief that the rite cannot be regarded as a Christian baptism.

Latter-day Saints regard Jesus and the Holy Spirit as children of the Father and the Heavenly Mother. They believe that baptism was instituted by the Father, not Christ, and that it goes back to Adam and Eve.

Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald – vicar general of the Diocese of Salt Lake City – said he didn’t understand why the Latter-day Saints church was singled out in this latest Vatican policy regarding parish records.

“We have a policy not to give out baptismal records to anyone unless they are entitled to have them,” Msgr. Fitzgerald said of his diocese. “That isn’t just for the Church of the Latter-day Saints. That is for all groups.”

Though he said the Salt Lake City Diocese has enjoyed a long-standing dialogue with the Latter-day Saints, Msgr. Fitzgerald said the diocese does not support giving the Mormons names for the sake of rebaptism.

**Mormons have been criticized by several other faiths – perhaps most passionately by the Jews – for the church’s practice of posthumous baptism.
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Members of the Latter-day Saints believe baptizing their ancestors by proxy gives the dead an opportunity to embrace the faith in the afterlife. The actual baptism-by-proxy ceremony occurs in a Mormon temple, and is intended to wash sins away for the commencement of church membership.

Jewish leaders have called the practice arrogant and said it is disrespectful to the dead, especially Holocaust victims.

“Baptism by proxy is a fundamentally important doctrine of the Latter-day Saints,” Otterson said. “We have cooperative relationships with churches, governments – both state and national – going back to the last century. Our practice of negotiating for records and making them available for genealogical research is very well known.”

Father Massa said he is not aware of aggressive attempts to obtain baptismal records at Catholic parishes in any of the U.S. dioceses.

He also said the Catholic Church will continue to reach out to the Mormons and carry on the efforts of understanding that have already begun, especially in Salt Lake City.

“Profound theological differences are not an excuse for avoiding dialogue, but a reason for pursuing dialogue,” Father Massa said.

Copyright (c) 2007 Catholic News Service/U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
 
Personally, I would love to see the Jewish community, and the RCC join forces on this issue.

I am just totally amazed at how the rank and file lds ignore instruction from their own church leaders who are telling them not to do these things, and to follow the rules, but yet it seems to be getting worse.
It makes me wonder what instructions that actually received from their church leaders.

It is amazing that Mormon forum members are calling the Mormon baptism and marriage, by proxy, of St. Damien, an accident.

Anna
 
Questions, please.

Isn’t genealogy and rites different?

It seems that someone collecting genealogical information might have mistakenly-entered information.

But a “rite” performed, it would seem to me, demands more attention. It’s MUCH more than praying.

How does one baptize the already Baptized?

Saint Damien was Baptized Catholic. And logic dictates this was a Religious life-long choice of Saint Damien.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe that only they have the authority to validly baptize (or perform any other sacraments, which they call ‘ordinances’). Therefore, all converts, whether or not they were baptized before, are baptized. Related to this, they also believe that they can perform these ordinances for those who have died, by proxy (meaning that a living person stands in for the dead person). This allows the dead person to have a chance to hear the LDS gospel, and choose whether or not to accept it. Therefore, a dead person can be baptized, confirmed, be ordained to their priesthood, be sealed (eternally married), and receive their endowment, all by proxy. These rituals are done in their temples, which are only open to certain members that have been interviewed and are determined to be living to a certain standard (though this standard is different and less for those that simply want to baptize for the dead, and not receive rituals like the endowment or eternal marriage for themselves).
 
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