LDS beliefs about Jesus Christ?

[ParkerD]

Yes, pinay is always a delight to “talk” to.
The only problem is, she claimed it was “in her notes.”

Lax16,

You have read those words completely differently than I read those words. I was a missionary, my children have been missionaries, and I know many missionaries, and I have never heard of anyone listening to missionaries who “took notes” while they were being taught. “In her notes” meant that as she studied on her own, she found similarities and wrote them down for her own benefit–or maybe she taught a Gospel Essentials class or a Gospel Doctrine class, where someone who teaches may indeed “prepare notes” for their class.

So, she has been instructed on this issue.

Yes, indeed–as a Catholic and as a Latter-day Saint, and she found similarities on her own. There is not one piece of evidence that Latter-day Saint teachings on this subject refer back to any Catholic teaching, at all–but they do refer directly to the Bible.

Often people who join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are excited to study their “new-found” gospel, and they do that. They often find that it clarifies things they had already believed on their own, and perhaps had questions about. There is nothing to be surprised about that she would have remembered a Catechism teaching and a “light” went on when she heard about becoming like Christ.

Parker, it gives me a real sick feeling in my stomach to think someone was misled

She is a mature adult. I think she showed the ability to think, to defend her thoughts, and to explain her beliefs. I don’t see why one would be upset over her having done these kinds of things. She was also trying not to offend anyone, in case anyone didn’t notice that. She did emphasize that there was an apostasy–so that means there are major differences, not that she had to explain every difference.

BUT someone needs to be very clear on LDS teaching on who God Is before converting. That is the BIG stuff.

They hear about this in very clear, understandable and unmistakable language that is direct in every way. They may also relate what they hear to their own previous understanding, and thus they may try to explain in a way that they think a person from their previous background can relate to. That is a commonly-to-be-expected approach to trying to “share” religious beliefs–by trying to relate to what the other person believes.

No, Parker, nowhere is it taught that God was a man with a beginning and an end and that He had relations with a woman or women. God is the God of the Jewish people and of the Christians. He has no beginning and no end and He is incorporeal.

Those issues changed the subject of the Catechism she quoted. It made a very simple statement, which included none of the above–nor is the above a correct representation of Latter-day Saint teachings in your first sentence.

Usually it says “suspended” under a person’s name if they are under review. However, I understand being very busy with children at home!!

A person can get a warning about having one “violation”, as I have found out twice if I remember correctly. Then that person might decide they had best leave it alone rather than be “suspended”.

The clarity was specific to Pinay’s misunderstanding of who she says God is and how she was taught this from the LDS.

If you will cite her specific quote (it’s on a different page now), then maybe I’m mistaken but I think the issue was the one Catechism statement that she said presented a similar concept. That is not the same thing as “who she says God is”.

The problem is, Mormon missionaries are not telling people up front about the very unorthodox view that Mormons think they will be gods one day

Anyone who thinks that should be in the “first lesson” has very little background in Paul’s teachings. A person really needs the Holy Ghost before they start to even grasp the basis for such a concept–so that means they would have to have been baptized and have received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Otherwise, they would not have the understanding of how Christ can really change people from the inside–because they would just hear words but they wouldn’t feel it in their heart, and experience it first-hand. After they have experienced that first-hand change of heart, and felt “born again”, really and truly, then they can feel “yes, I can see how Christ could do that–how He could lead toward that kind of a total change.”

That is what finding greater faith, hope in Christ, and charity toward all humankind are all about–seeing possibilities that never seemed remotely possible when a person was just “on their own”.

and it appears they are using the Catechism of the Catholic Church to back up their teachings.

I can see how one might draw that conclusion if they thought Pinay had been taking notes during missionary lessons and had heard that Catechism referred to by Latter-day Saint missionaries, but I had never heard of it before until the young man over in the Middle East referred to it as he tried to defend Latter-day Saint beliefs in becoming “like Christ” while also encouraging belief in the Eucharist to someone like me. (I can’t think of his moniker–sorry.)

Really, pinay let the cat out of the bag.

I think it’s all kind of funny, actually. (I mean the suspicion and all). Seriously, if there is such a thing, I’ve never seen it and have read LDS lessons for over forty years, except from her and from the Catholic in the Middle East who is also “suspect” according to several who discussed the issue with him.

A wish, again, of peace to all.

 

[lax16]

Lax16,

You have read those words completely differently than I read those words. I was a missionary, my children have been missionaries, and I know many missionaries, and I have never heard of anyone listening to missionaries who “took notes” while they were being taught. “In her notes” meant that as she studied on her own, she found similarities and wrote them down for her own benefit–or maybe she taught a Gospel Essentials class or a Gospel Doctrine class, where someone who teaches may indeed “prepare notes” for their class.

I didn’t think she would learn this from missionaries. The missionaries I’ve talked to couldn’t even agree when the apostasy happened let alone say anything note-worthy.

Yes, indeed–as a Catholic and as a Latter-day Saint, and she found similarities on her own. There is not one piece of evidence that Latter-day Saint teachings on this subject refer back to any Catholic teaching, at all–but they do refer directly to the Bible.

That is not what she said. She made it very clear that we were the ones not understanding.

Often people who join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are excited to study their “new-found” gospel, and they do that. They often find that it clarifies things they had already believed on their own, and perhaps had questions about. There is nothing to be surprised about that she would have remembered a Catechism teaching and a “light” went on when she heard about becoming like Christ.

Tell me what someone who is new to Mormonism would read, other than the BoM, of course (which says nothing about any of this).

She is a mature adult. I think she showed the ability to think, to defend her thoughts, and to explain her beliefs. I don’t see why one would be upset over her having done these kinds of things. She was also trying not to offend anyone, in case anyone didn’t notice that. She did emphasize that there was an apostasy–so that means there are major differences, not that she had to explain every difference.

Nobody is upset with Pinay! She was speaking from the heart.
I don’t think anyone would find her offensive.
No, I have talked with the missionaries and know they will say things to hook a person.

They hear about this in very clear, understandable and unmistakable language that is direct in every way. They may also relate what they hear to their own previous understanding, and thus they may try to explain in a way that they think a person from their previous background can relate to. That is a commonly-to-be-expected approach to trying to “share” religious beliefs–by trying to relate to what the other person believes.

I don’t think too many converts are told about God being a man and that people will be gods with celestial children…until much later.

A person can get a warning about having one “violation”, as I have found out twice if I remember correctly. Then that person might decide they had best leave it alone rather than be “suspended”.

I doubt that she ran into that knowing her posting style.

If you will cite her specific quote (it’s on a different page now), then maybe I’m mistaken but I think the issue was the one Catechism statement that she said presented a similar concept. That is not the same thing as “who she says God is”.

She is very clear in several posts that she could defend her position.

Anyone who thinks that should be in the “first lesson” has very little background in Paul’s teachings. A person really needs the Holy Ghost before they start to even grasp the basis for such a concept–so that means they would have to have been baptized and have received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Otherwise, they would not have the understanding of how Christ can really change people from the inside–because they would just hear words but they wouldn’t feel it in their heart, and experience it first-hand. After they have experienced that first-hand change of heart, and felt “born again”, really and truly, then they can feel “yes, I can see how Christ could do that–how He could lead toward that kind of a total change.”

Only a person who has no knowledge of Judaism and the promise of a Messiah would fall for the Mormon line. The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with it - it is preying upon the uninformed and hoping to catch a live one.

That is what finding greater faith, hope in Christ, and charity toward all humankind are all about–seeing possibilities that never seemed remotely possible when a person was just “on their own”.

Who has charity toward all mankind…?

I can see how one might draw that conclusion if they thought Pinay had been taking notes during missionary lessons and had heard that Catechism referred to by Latter-day Saint missionaries, but I had never heard of it before until the young man over in the Middle East referred to it as he tried to defend Latter-day Saint beliefs in becoming “like Christ” while also encouraging belief in the Eucharist to someone like me. (I can’t think of his moniker–sorry.)

Actually, my thoughts were it was some sort of bible study not missionary lessons. Like I said, I have yet to meet missionaries who could say anything not rehearsed.

I think it’s all kind of funny, actually. (I mean the suspicion and all). Seriously, if there is such a thing, I’ve never seen it and have read LDS lessons for over forty years, except from her and from the Catholic in the Middle East who is also “suspect” according to several who discussed the issue with him.

I don’t think it is funny at all. Pinay is not coming back to answer her posts and I feel bad for her. I hope she feels welcome to return and post her comments.

 

[zaffiroborant]

I think when she emphasized “apostasy” several times, it should be clear to any reader that apostasy means there was a gradual loss of understanding, and thus a meaning back in 100 AD would move off that meaning and be a completely different meaning in 2011.

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Could you please provide a reference showing that apostasy has ever meant “a gradual loss of understanding” instead of " a renunciation of religious belief", thanks.

 

[ParkerD]

Could you please provide a reference showing that apostasy has ever meant “a gradual loss of understanding” instead of " a renunciation of religious belief", thanks.

Zaffiroborant,

The term has been used for many years, by more than just the Latter-day Saint writers. For example, Roger Williams is quoted below:

Roger Williams, pastor of the oldest Baptist Church in America at Providence, Rhode Island, refused to continue as pastor on the grounds that, “There is no regularly-constituted church on earth, nor any person authorized to administer any Church ordinance: nor can there be, until new apostles are sent by the great Head of the Church, for whose coming I am seeking.” (Picturesque America, or the Land We Live In, ed. William Cullen Bryant, New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1872, vol. 1, p. 502.)

Williams also said, “The apostasy… hath so far corrupted all, that there can be no recovery out of that apostasy until Christ shall send forth new apostles to plant churches anew.” (Underhill, Edward, “Struggles and Triumphs of Religious Liberty”, cited in William F. Anderson, “Apostasy or Succession, Which?”, pp. 238-39)

That is not talking about apostasy as “renunciation of religious belief”, but rather “corruption” [which is probably an offensive word that can just as well be said “a drifting from doctrinal purity”] within the beliefs held and taught within religions he was familiar with.

 

[ParkerD]

…
Tell me what someone who is new to Mormonism would read, other than the BoM, of course (which says nothing about any of this)…
I hope she feels welcome to return and post her comments.

I hope she does also.

Excited new members read the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, Jesus the Christ, The Articles of Faith, lesson manuals, Gospel Principles, the Ensign, the New Era, and certainly re-read the Bible with “new eyes.”

 

[KathleenGee]

It is Pinay’s choice…but just as the Mormon sealing ceremony is so sacred, non-Mormon kin cannot attend…

To take CC460 completely out of context to in turn use it in opposite of what it is actually meant, as well as the Eucharist as central to the life of the Church for 2,000 years-- is touching on the Sacred and its meaning, using it to serve Satan who offered Christ to kneel down and worship him instead.

Mormonism is taking our catechism on the Eucharistic Lord, and taking away from His Divinity to say we can become as gods…and for someone like Pinay where there is great resistance to hearts being open to the light of Christ, I see her vulnerable and preyed upon…in spite of her own choice.

The Baptist minister, is a compromised witness. He is not having any knowledge about the Catholic Church, its work in the times that he lived, and how the Catholic Church faced the industrialization of the world with its impact on labor and families, only shows its courage and unending hope and assistance to bring the light of Christ and His life to the world, and to the marginalized.

To claim the faith of Christianity is apostate…first of all, non-Catholics cannot recognize the enduring apostolic faith which is very alive in every generation, in spite of those who have appeared to fail. I say that because Christ’s mercy is ever present to all, including to those ecclesiastics who sincerely repented.

I see judging an entire faith system as apostate shows a self-assuming, superior, but uninformed mindset.

True faith always comes to those who are humble and suffer…and they know it is very, very wrong in the Christian faith to pass judgment on others, and see themselves as better.

Pinay herself said on the one hand, we Catholics and Mormon are alike, but on the other, she says she and her kind cannot be like us…

I think of this priest always addressing phariseeism…‘Thank you Lord, that I am not like thoossse people!’

 

[lax16]

I hope she does also.

Excited new members read the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, Jesus the Christ, The Articles of Faith, lesson manuals, Gospel Principles, the Ensign, the New Era, and certainly re-read the Bible with “new eyes.”

At what point do they learn that they will become gods and goddesses and produce spirit children?

Before or after they are baptized?

 

[KathleenGee]

We as Catholics, when it comes to our faith, reject all man made religions that are based on men, and not Jesus Christ.

When Christians split from the one true Church, it is really a loss of faith in the apostolic teachings. We always have the apostolic faith that transcends any failure of any priest, bishop, or pope-- or as in Pinay’s case, communities of people.

All the divisions within the Body of Christ have come about by individual men and the loss of apostolic faith. Individual men think they have better insight than all the those who preceded them in faith…Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism.

God comes to us in a gathering of people with a shared faith, working together, with publicly acknowledged and verified men of God. That is how He revealed Himself to the chosen people of God, the Jews, and how it was fulfilled in Christ and His witnesses, the Apostles.

The faith of Jesus Christ is there. Interior recollection is the means we have to keep Christ and His true teachings, His Eucharistic presence in our souls, active and alive. It is a discipline calling us to let go of all worldly concerns and outward appearances, and focus on the interior life between Christ and our own selves.

We cannot compromise Christ for a feel good, inter-faith peace, and well being. Christ is the gate to heaven.

 

[ParkerD]

At what point do they learn that they will become gods and goddesses

At the point in time that they either read it in the New Testament and believe Jesus’ words and John’s words, or after they are baptized and start reading the New Testament with “new eyes” and with the Holy Ghost to testify that what they read is true and not make-believe; and further as they attend a Gospel Essentials Sunday School class during their first year (either as a visiting person or as a new member or anyone else since attendance is open) wherein that Gospel Principles manual you cited is used as the lesson plan and is given to each member of the class.

and produce spirit children?

“produce” is the completely wrong word. “Have” is OK. “Bring forth” is probably a better term–“bring forth and nurture”.

They would hear that discussed during the lesson you noted from the Gospel Essentials manual, or they might hear it during a missionary lesson when they hear the simple concept “families are forever” and ask intelligent questions about what families are going to be “about” in eternity.

Before or after they are baptized?

Like I have noted, it could happen either way. It won’t be very well understood until the person has the Holy Ghost to testify to them that the Savior’s words and the Father’s plan of salvation and exaltation, and the book of Revelation with its many plain teachings about becoming a son of God and becoming like Christ, are true.

 

[RebeccaJ]

ParkerD,

The Spirit is one of Truth, and has nothing to do with the deceptions of Mormonism. You’re continued and repeated arrogant claim that people here are too spiritually daft to understand your lies, is in itself more of the deception.

Let the lies of Joseph Smith go, and stop perpetrating them. You don’t need them.

 

[lax16]

At the point in time that they either read it in the New Testament and believe Jesus’ words and John’s words, or after they are baptized and start reading the New Testament with “new eyes” and with the Holy Ghost to testify that what they read is true and not make-believe; and further as they attend a Gospel Essentials Sunday School class during their first year (either as a visiting person or as a new member or anyone else since attendance is open) wherein that Gospel Principles manual you cited is used as the lesson plan and is given to each member of the class.

Please cite where in the NT Jesus tells us we will be married in heaven bringing forth spirit children.
How about the NT reference where Jesus says there will be NO marriage in heaven?
I wonder why pinay didn’t understand the lesson? Do they offer these classes in the Phillipines?

“produce” is the completely wrong word. “Have” is OK. “Bring forth” is probably a better term–“bring forth and nurture”.

Why is “produce” the completely wrong word?

They would hear that discussed during the lesson you noted from the Gospel Essentials manual, or they might hear it during a missionary lesson when they hear the simple concept “families are forever” and ask intelligent questions about what families are going to be “about” in eternity.

I remember asking this question, Parker, and the missionary told us that our family would be like the early days of Christianity when everyone got along and the world was so peaceful. My teenagers even knew enough to say, "Peaceful? People were stealing from each other and killing each other…Christians were dying for their faith…"Needless to say, we are still howling over that one!

Like I have noted, it could happen either way. It won’t be very well understood until the person has the Holy Ghost to testify to them that the Savior’s words and the Father’s plan of salvation and exaltation, and the book of Revelation with its many plain teachings about becoming a son of God and becoming like Christ, are true.

So, people in third world countries are not baptized until they thoroughly understand that they will be gods and goddesses with spirit children?
In Chile, they are busy giving people lessons on financial planning in attempts to convert them. Somehow I wonder if they ask these questions - I am told by our friends from Chile they are fascinated by the blonde haired blue eyed missionaries giving lessons on money. They “convert” then don’t participate.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Zaffiroborant,

The term has been used for many years, by more than just the Latter-day Saint writers. For example, Roger Williams is quoted below:

That is not talking about apostasy as “renunciation of religious belief”, but rather “corruption” [which is probably an offensive word that can just as well be said “a drifting from doctrinal purity”] within the beliefs held and taught within religions he was familiar with.

It’s funny but when I put that quote into google the results that come up all go back to LDS sites. And I notice they all include the ellipsis your “quote” does.

 

[KathleenGee]

Jesus Christ is the life and foundation of our one, true Church, and it is His presence Who has never left, and continues to feed us with His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity…

I go to Church for Jesus Christ Who is the fountain of all virtues…I will state how we see Christ from the Litany or praises of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the heart symbolizing the essence of the person, and also the symbol of deep love…

 

[ParkerD]

Please cite where in the NT Jesus tells us we will be married in heaven

Lax16,

He didn’t say “we” or “everyone”–He very carefully taught that “from the beginning it was not so” regarding divorce, and that “what God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” He also taught that some are not ready to receive that kind of covenant-making, and that was the reason for the lesser law about divorce and the new higher standard He was teaching “to whom it is given”. (Matthew 19:8, 4-6, 10, 11)

bringing forth spirit children.

He taught that those completely faithful to covenants will be made “ruler over many things. Enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.” The words “ruler” and “joy of thy Lord” are clues about what kind of life is offered, by free will choice making and keeping of covenants and by desiring the kind of joy the Lord has. There is no greater joy than the joy of nurturing children.

How about the NT reference where Jesus says there will be NO marriage in heaven?

For Sadducees–correct. They were unbelievers in the resurrection, therefore unbelievers in Christ or in a Savior of the world at all.

I wonder why pinay didn’t understand the lesson? Do they offer these classes in the Phillipines?

Of course they do, and I think she did understand the lesson. I think she related it to that single Catechism itself and also had in mind that there had been an apostasy so every single part of the Catchisms wouldn’t be correct–but saw those words as being an early Catholic teaching.

“Produce” in the context of having children will naturally be assumed to mean “reproduction” which is the wrong concept.

I remember asking this question, Parker, and the missionary told us that our family would be like the early days of Christianity when everyone got along and the world was so peaceful. My teenagers even knew enough to say, "Peaceful? People were stealing from each other and killing each other…Christians were dying for their faith…"Needless to say, we are still howling over that one!

Yes–missionaries can be unschooled about the “early days of Christianity”. I think some have learned some things in their history classes at school, fortunately, that pertain, but others may not know much about it.

So, people in third world countries are not baptized until they thoroughly understand that they will be gods and goddesses with spirit children?

You seem to have missed that I wrote they would learn about it at some point during a first year of attending the Gospel Essentials class, which would mean they would probably have been baptized and received the gift of the Holy Ghost, which is a help in understanding truths of the gospel.

 

[KathleenGee]

Our understanding of Jesus Christ can be reflected in His praises in this litany…

Heart of Jesus, Son of the Eternal Father
Heart of Jesus, formed in the womb of the Virgin Mother by the Holy Spirit
Heart of Jesus, united substantially with the Word of God
Heart of Jesus, holy temple of God
Heart of Jesus, tabernacle of the Most High
Heart of Jesus, house of God and gate of Heaven
Heart of Jesus, glowing furnace of charity
Heart of Jesus, abyss of all virtues
Heart of Jesus, most worthy of all praise
Heart of Jesus, king and center of all hearts
Heart of Jesus, in whom dwells all the fullness of the Divinity
Heart of Jesus, in Whom the Father is well pleased
Heart of Jesus, of whose fullness we have all received
Heart of Jesus, desire of the everlasting hills
Heart of Jesus, patient and rich in mercy
Heart of Jesus, rich to all who invoke Thee
Heart of Jesus, fount of life and holiness
Heart of Jesus, propitiation for our sins
Heart of Jesus, saturated with revilings
Heart of Jesus, crushes for our iniquities
Heart of Jesus, made obedient unto death…

Heart of Jesus Who died for our sins…and works through total and perfect charity…there is nothing we can do to gain any more favor or love from Our Lord…

We Catholics on First Fridays pray for everyone in the world who need Christ and to be delivered from all that prevents them from experiencing the Lord as we know Him. We pray for those who reject Him as Lord and Savior, and for those separated by sects…

I hope and pray that the Mormons, as well as their sophists who continue to search here to expound and contradict the tenants of the one, true, holy, and apostolic faith, will come to a new awareness of Christ, and to encounter perfection we have in Christ in this life, and begin to see His great love for them. We don’t need man made recommends to encounter this God Who gives to us so generously.

 

[ParkerD]

It’s funny but when I put that quote into google the results that come up all go back to LDS sites. And I notice they all include the ellipsis your “quote” does.

Yes, and one can also go to the original source document cited, which was not written or compiled by a Latter-day Saint.

 

[KathleenGee]

And there is more in the litany…to finish…

Heart of Jesus, pierced with a lance
Heart of Jesus, source of all consolation
Heart of Jesus, our life and resurrection
Heart of Jesus, victim for our sins,
Heart of Jesus, salvation for those who hope in You
Heart of Jesus, delight of all saints…

Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, spare us, o Lord.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, graciously hear us, o Lord.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make our hearts like unto You.

Almighty and everlasting God, look upon the Heart of Your well-beloved Son and upon the acts of praise and satisfaction which He renders unto You in the name of sinners; and do You, in Your great goodness, grant pardon to them who seek Your mercy, in the name of the same Son, Jesus Christ, Who lives and reigns with You, world without end.

Jesus is the center of our faith and way to the Father and eternal life. As people can see by the prayer of this Litany, it reflects our knowledge and understanding of Christ.

You embrace Christ, you need no other mediator.

 

[Inishfree]

At the point in time that they either read it in the New Testament and believe Jesus’ words and John’s words, or after they are baptized and start reading the New Testament with “new eyes” and with the Holy Ghost to testify that what they read is true and not make-believe; and further as they attend a Gospel Essentials Sunday School class during their first year (either as a visiting person or as a new member or anyone else since attendance is open) wherein that Gospel Principles manual you cited is used as the lesson plan and is given to each member of the class.

“produce” is the completely wrong word. “Have” is OK. “Bring forth” is probably a better term–“bring forth and nurture”.

They would hear that discussed during the lesson you noted from the Gospel Essentials manual, or they might hear it during a missionary lesson when they hear the simple concept “families are forever” and ask intelligent questions about what families are going to be “about” in eternity.

Like I have noted, it could happen either way. It won’t be very well understood until the person has the Holy Ghost to testify to them that the Savior’s words and the Father’s plan of salvation and exaltation, and the book of Revelation with its many plain teachings about becoming a son of God and becoming like Christ, are true.

To become like Christ, is not to become the Christ or a god. I learned this in Sunday School, many years ago. It means to follow Jesus and his teachings. To live your life to the best of your ability, as a christian.

Protestants, same as Catholic. Have no hidden teachings. It is all there in black and white. You are taught everything the church believes in before you are confirmed.

 

[lax16]

“Produce” in the context of having children will naturally be assumed to mean “reproduction” which is the wrong concept.

After men…have become gods, …they have the power then of propagating their species in spirit; and that is the first of their operations with regard to organizing a world. Power is them given to them to organize the elements, and then commence the organization of tabernacles. How can they do it? Have they to go to that earth? Yes, an Adam will have to go there, and he cannot do without Eve; he must have Eve to commence the work of generation, and they will go into the garden; continue to eat and drink of the fruits of the corporeal world, until this grosser matter is diffused sufficiently through their celestial bodies to enable them, according to the established laws, to produce mortal tabernacles for their spiritual children.
LDS Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1852, Vol. 6, p. 275

Mankind are here because they are the offspring of parents who were first brought here from another planet, and power was given them to propagate their species.
LDS Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1859, Vol. 7, p. 285

Each succeeding generation of gods follow the example of the preceding ones: each generation have their wives, who raise up from the fruit of their loins immortal spirits: when their families become numerous, they organize new worlds for them…they place their families upon the same…
LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, 1853, pp. 134-135

 

[KathleenGee]

Fruit of their loins vs fruit of the Holy Spirit…I just can’t help seeing Mormonism based on sexual relationship turned into some kind of religion, having its roots in polygamy…