LDS/Catholic wedding?

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I have a TON of LDS Family members, and not a SINGLE one is married to a non mormon. Several of their spouses converted to the LDS church, one after marriage (within a year) the rest before.

The problem with this situation is not the Catholic side…it’s the Mormon one. Their religion is an entire lifestyle, with Temple work, special underwear, it governs every aspect of their lives. It’s not something they just give up for the “right girl”. Even if the OP’s boyfriend gives it up, the LDS church and his family will not give him up. Just as a devout Catholic family would not give up on their child leaving the faith either.

LippyLibby, you have not answered the question of how his family reacted to him wanting to marry a non mormon who would not convert? You have also not answered why he feels that premarrital counseling and classes aren’t important?
 
LDS/Catholic wedding?

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🤷 My daughter is 20 years old and grew up here in Utah. From the day she came home from elementary school all gushy over a boy at school, I pounded it into her head that Mormon boys are on a singular track, to a mission and then marriage to a Mormon girl in a Mormon temple. I’d finish off by asking, “Are you that girl?” No, she isn’t. Her best friend, who is like a daughter to me, seems to be attracted to Mormon men, and always she ends up brokenhearted once they really, really figure out she is not going to convert, ever, and dump her. .
You can’t blame them for being attracted to Mormon men. If you’re looking for a virtuous man, who loves God, and respects his wife, and openly wants children, in all honesty, you have a better chance finding that in a Mormon man, than a Catholic man. I’ve been there, done that, still trying to find the Catholic man.🤷
 
we talked about temple weddings and how as a devout catholic with no intention of conversion I would have no chance of that at all. he told me that for the woman he loves he would give up being a god someday, and the chance to live for eternity with her as his wife. it made me cry to know how much he is willing to sacrifice if he knows it is worth it. I know my sacrifices are not even close to what he would have to make with that so I posted this to help me better understand the “landmines” so the two of us can find a way to meet the way your quote from Archbishop Fulton J Sheen stated sounds like the kind of wedding I may have someday.
If he believes this he cannot marry you if you remain Catholic. His religion will not permit it.

I also began my involvement in RCIA in NE Ohio also a strong Mormon area, where we were losing many Catholics to that faith at a time when the Catholic pastors were not as strong as they could have been on teaching our faith and family values. I have never–ever–and this is in dozens of cases, known of a Catholic who married a Mormon who stayed Catholic and raised the children Catholic.

To leave the Catholic church is to forsake the Church of Jesus Christ and to separate oneself from His grace in the sacraments, to voluntarily excommunicate oneself, and to risk eternal damnation. a human love is worth this? If it is, it is not love, it borders on idolatry, putting a creature over the Creator, a sin against the 1st commandment, the gravest one can commit.
 
You can’t blame them for being attracted to Mormon men. If you’re looking for a virtuous man, who loves God, and respects his wife, and openly wants children, in all honesty, you have a better chance finding that in a Mormon man, than a Catholic man. I’ve been there, done that, still trying to find the Catholic man.🤷
lol, this dear girl who I consider my daughter is not after any of those things. Quite the opposite, the Mormon boys are attracted to her like she is a “forbidden fruit”. They have a fun lecherous fling and then after using her for a while decide to “get religious”. There’s a whole lot going on there that has nothing to do with caring properly for each other and loving God.

It is also a discussion that we’ve had, how she has to stop letting these boys/men use her. She has now swung to a point where she’s forsaken men entirely and hasn’t been dating. Instead she is focused on her studies.

I can only say, I am so glad to not be twenty-something or single. I think if I found myself single at this point in my life, I’d just stay that way.
 
I think that the most important thing to consider is that in the end your marriage becomes less and less about the two of you and more and more about your children.

It is very hard to imagine what it is like to love one’s own child without having had any yet.

What you are feeling for your husband, you will feel a thousand times stronger and more selflessly for your child.

It is so important to consider the difficulties of raising a child in the faith in today’s secular society- and the effects that mixing religions will have in this task. From what I have read, children who come from a mixed faith marriage are hugely more likely to believe that attendance at religious services is “optional.” Furthermore, children of Catholics whose father does not practice Catholicism have only a 20% chance of remaining with the faith.

I cannot tell you the kind of heartache this causes me having a husband who does not share my faith- but it is not for me so much as the worry for my children- and seeing how it confuses and upsets them- and my husband is a very gracious man who has entrusted their religious education entirely to me.

I would spare you that sorrow- and spare your children. At the very least, please, please, complete a premarital counseling program. Any man who would refuse you this cannot possibly have sufficient respect for you to make for a successful marriage.
 
I think that the most important thing to consider is that in the end your marriage becomes less and less about the two of you and more and more about your children.
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It is so important to consider the difficulties of raising a child in the faith in today’s secular society- and the effects that mixing religions will have in this task. From what I have read, children who come from a mixed faith marriage are hugely more likely to believe that attendance at religious services is “optional.” with the faith.

I cannot tell you the kind of heartache this causes me having a husband who does not share my faith- but it is not for me so much as the worry for my children- and seeing how it confuses and upsets them- and my husband is a very gracious man who has entrusted their religious education entirely to me.

I would spare you that sorrow- and spare your children. At the very least, please, please, complete a premarital counseling program. Any man who would refuse you this cannot possibly have sufficient respect for you to make for a successful marriage.
That has been my experience too, but I remember being as young as the OP, and no one could have convinced me we couldn’t work things out. Yes we did, but it has been very, very hard. Over the last twenty-something years I have seen how different it is for the families who attend together. This isn’t the only issue we’ve had, we come from very different backgrounds and our struggles have not been only about faith (my husband was raised outside any religion) but how much easier those struggles would have been if we both shared a common faith.

My 10 yr old daughter and I will be received into the CC at this Easter Vigil and I will try as hard as I can to impart that faith to her, something I think I must not have done with my older boys as a Lutheran. Maybe really believing that I have found the fullness of truth and such joy in the CC will help.:signofcross:
 
lol, this dear girl who I consider my daughter is not after any of those things. Quite the opposite, the Mormon boys are attracted to her like she is a “forbidden fruit”. They have a fun lecherous fling and then after using her for a while decide to “get religious”. There’s a whole lot going on there that has nothing to do with caring properly for each other and loving God.
Aaah yes, the ol’ flirt to convert. Yes, we have that here too.
 
Echoing other points here…once you have a child, it is no longer he and she…you are now three…a baby changes everything…and you tend to go back to yourself…your child is the fruit of your womb…

So the Church describes disparity of cult. Better to marry a Catholic…
 
While he can forgo a temple wedding, marrying for time only, she can not forgo a Catholic wedding,
More about Catholic weddings from the USCCB.
Well, she can forego a Catholic wedding just as easily as he can forego a temple wedding.
I realize in your eyes, a temple wedding isn’t important, but to us, it is VERY important. Just as a Catholic wedding is important to Catholics, temple weddings are important to LDS…more so from my point of view.

The point is, a wedding is important to either religion, and with a mixed faith marriage neither one will be able to comply with their religion.
 
Well, she can forego a Catholic wedding just as easily as he can forego a temple wedding.
I realize in your eyes, a temple wedding isn’t important, but to us, it is VERY important. Just as a Catholic wedding is important to Catholics, temple weddings are important to LDS…more so from my point of view.

The point is, a wedding is important to either religion, and with a mixed faith marriage neither one will be able to comply with their religion.
I was not addressing the “importance” of the wedding to those involved, just pointing out that the LDS church has more than one option in marriage. One can either marry for “time and eternity” or for “time only”. The Catholic church does not have different tiers of marriage, so no she can not forgo a Catholic marriage just as easily. If she does marry outside the Church she will be unable to “take communion” and may be restricted in the ministries in which she can participate. Where would the LDS gentleman in question suffer similar consequences for marrying a non-member “for time only”?
 
🤷 My daughter is 20 years old and grew up here in Utah. From the day she came home from elementary school all gushy over a boy at school, I pounded it into her head that Mormon boys are on a singular track, to a mission and then marriage to a Mormon girl in a Mormon temple. I’d finish off by asking, “Are you that girl?” No, she isn’t. Her best friend, who is like a daughter to me, seems to be attracted to Mormon men, and always she ends up brokenhearted once they really, really figure out she is not going to convert, ever, and dump her. We’ve taken to giving her a hard time whenever she goes on a date, teasing her about whether or not she’s gravitated to a Mormon, again.

At one time, years ago, my LDS brother was engaged to a Catholic woman. They were around your age at the time. They had the wedding invitations mailed out, but two weeks before the wedding, they called it off. For all of the reasons being discussed here. He eventually married a Mormon woman.

For sure, it is not an easy thing to do, breaking your own heart and his, but soooo much easier now than it is after children are involved.

If you were my daughter, I would be caught between grabbing you by shoulders and shaking some sense into you, or keeping my mouth shut while I watch you head into a life that will certainly have it’s high points and happiness, but is also going to be so incredibly difficult.

I’ll leave it at that, as from your posts you seem set on marrying outside your faith. May God bless and guide you both.
thank you for your post. a lot of the posts I see here are mostly people who just want to have a say in things for the fun of it, but you honestly sound to me like you care. I do find myself attracted to Mormon guys I grew up in a small town with baptists, Mormons, and catholics, not much beyond that. now I live in a place that is far more big city and the men here do not have the same morals, not so many holding the door for me, or speaking kindly to women, and the way they speak of their families with a strong disrespect brakes my heart. I find it hard to get past the first dait because I have vary high standards in morals of the men in my life. ironical many of the catholic boys I knew were looking at becoming monks or priests last I talked to them.

I know a lot of them find the thrill of the convert irresistible, and Catholicism is a good foundation for the self restraint it takes to prat is the LDS faith. however I have had talks about faith with him and I may be young but it is hard for a guy to fool me long. he told me to look into his church and learn about it so I could understand that part of his life better and know what I was getting into. I did and after I spent some time researching it and had some questions (using it to also teach him about my faith so he also knew what he was getting into) he tried to convert me and I acted less then Christan when I told him off for it. when I calmed down I went back and told him my faith made me who I am and it built a lot of the things he loves about me to change my faith is to change me, I would never do that for any guy and I told him I would not ask that of him. that was why I told him we should stay just friends. he though about it and when he had some time (months) to think he told me he would not want me to change for him and I told him when you love someone of a different faith and you want the best for them it will feel like something inside is stabbing you when you think you know best with faith but you cant do anything other than pray for the one you love. we both know that part will hurt and we will both want the other to convert but I can live with things the way they are if his faith keeps him doing good and holding himself to higher standards than other men do.
 
Echoing other points here…once you have a child, it is no longer he and she…you are now three…a baby changes everything…and you tend to go back to yourself…your child is the fruit of your womb…

So the Church describes disparity of cult. Better to marry a Catholic…
my bf and I love to talk about kids seeing as we both want lots (him at least 6, me about 8 or 10) we have talked about everything from what they would look like to who they will act like (heaven help us all if they tern out stubborn and bossy like me lol). we have also talked about what church they would go to and what religion they would practice. I told him part of catholic vows is a promise to raise the kids catholic. the LDS don’t baptize till the kid is 8 at the youngest and many wait till they are a little older. we made a deal the kids seeing as they are home with mom all day would grow up catholic and he could tell them about his church if he wants, when they come of age (as a catholic at confirmation age we decide if we want to take that step of taking responsibility for the faith we want to lead) the child would then be old enough to tell us if he/she wanted to think about conversion. I doubt they would after they spend their early years seeing things through my eyes and knowing they would have to give up tea, coffee, never taste alcohol, and that some LDS also don’t like pop because of the caffeine but that is a whole different debate. I grew up learning about my fathers church who is a Orthodox catholic and also about my friends churches, and when I was confirmation age I looked into everything and made certain the church I picked was the right one and no one could have swayed me from it after I knew from the holy spirit, prayer and research that I had found my home on my knees in a catholic chapel.
 
Well, she can forego a Catholic wedding just as easily as he can forego a temple wedding.
I realize in your eyes, a temple wedding isn’t important, but to us, it is VERY important. Just as a Catholic wedding is important to Catholics, temple weddings are important to LDS…more so from my point of view.

The point is, a wedding is important to either religion, and with a mixed faith marriage neither one will be able to comply with their religion.
I come from a mixed faith marriage though Orthodox catholic and catholic is not all that different I know it is hard to keep your responsibilities when your spouse has conflicting responsibilities from their faith. my parents had to double check their wedding papers to see that they had a valid marriage and then my brothers baptism nearly ended up being a confirmation as well that would have prevented the confirmation at the proper age. I know how important the temple wedding is to Mormons. to you it is much more then just roses or carnations it is marriage for this life or for eternity and it allows for the person to reach the highest level of heaven according to the LDS church. as far as I can see their is no way for a Mormon to be in complete compliance with the LDS church and marry outside the faith. I am grateful the my bf is willing to give up so much for me if things work out and we do someday marry, of all the things a guy could offer to give up for a girl this is vary flattering though I wish somehow he did not need to. we will both continue to look for ways that we can over come this road block because I think we are helping each other live our respecify faiths better, whenever things get hard we tell each other to pray, and to go to church or ward more. it has helped a lot with the little things we face.
 
I was not addressing the “importance” of the wedding to those involved, just pointing out that the LDS church has more than one option in marriage. One can either marry for “time and eternity” or for “time only”. The Catholic church does not have different tiers of marriage, so no she can not forgo a Catholic marriage just as easily. If she does marry outside the Church she will be unable to “take communion” and may be restricted in the ministries in which she can participate. Where would the LDS gentleman in question suffer similar consequences for marrying a non-member “for time only”?
I can get a waver from my priest

"THE PLACE FOR THE CELEBRATION OF MARRIAGE

A) Marriage between two baptized persons
  1. Two Catholics. The proper place for the celebration of marriage is the parish church where either party lives. With the permission of the local ordinary or the pastor the wedding can be celebrated in another Catholic church or oratory.
  2. Catholic Party and Baptized Non-Catholic Party. The proper place for the celebration is the parish church of the Catholic party. With the permission of the local ordinary or the pastor, the wedding can be celebrated in another Catholic church or oratory.
The local ordinary can permit marriage between two Catholics or a Catholic and baptized non- Catholic to be celebrated in some other suitable place.

In the Diocese of Stockton a suitable place would be:

a) the church of the baptized non-Catholic (for ecumenical reasons)

b) a non-Catholic church or chapel (for pastoral reasons), e.g., Morris Chapel at the University of the Pacific.

c) a sacred or appropriate place judged by the local ordinary to be conducive to and enhancing of the sacramental nature of the marriage. Commercial venues and public parks are inappropriate places for the liturgical celebration of marriage."

st-bernards.org/diocesanpolicy.html

this sight was vary helpful.
 
Libby,

I am certainly not putting out comments to make fun…I have seen alot of heartbreak of broken promises…not because of intent, but the reality of two different belief systems that clash later on…I will keep you in prayer…I pray you continue to discern. It is better to seek counsel face to face with others who did marry as such, between a Catholic and a Mormon. Maybe their actual real life experiences can be of greater help to you here than a forum such as this.

Kathleen
 
thank you for your post. a lot of the posts I see here are mostly people who just want to have a say in things for the fun of it, but you honestly sound to me like you care. I do find myself attracted to Mormon guys I grew up in a small town with baptists, Mormons, and catholics, not much beyond that. now I live in a place that is far more big city and the men here do not have the same morals, not so many holding the door for me, or speaking kindly to women, and the way they speak of their families with a strong disrespect brakes my heart. I find it hard to get past the first dait because I have vary high standards in morals of the men in my life. ironical many of the catholic boys I knew were looking at becoming monks or priests last I talked to them.

I know a lot of them find the thrill of the convert irresistible, and Catholicism is a good foundation for the self restraint it takes to prat is the LDS faith. however I have had talks about faith with him and I may be young but it is hard for a guy to fool me long. he told me to look into his church and learn about it so I could understand that part of his life better and know what I was getting into. I did and after I spent some time researching it and had some questions (using it to also teach him about my faith so he also knew what he was getting into) he tried to convert me and I acted less then Christan when I told him off for it. when I calmed down I went back and told him my faith made me who I am and it built a lot of the things he loves about me to change my faith is to change me, I would never do that for any guy and I told him I would not ask that of him. that was why I told him we should stay just friends. he though about it and when he had some time (months) to think he told me he would not want me to change for him and I told him when you love someone of a different faith and you want the best for them it will feel like something inside is stabbing you when you think you know best with faith but you cant do anything other than pray for the one you love. we both know that part will hurt and we will both want the other to convert but I can live with things the way they are if his faith keeps him doing good and holding himself to higher standards than other men do.
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               lippylibby, I think you have thought much of it through. I would only say in support of others here, and in support of your relationship, that you should not forgo the required marriage preparation classes.
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has an excellent website for marriage. For all stages of dating, engagement, newlyweds, and others who have been married long periods of time. I recommend that you and your guy spend some time there: foryourmarriage.org

One of the things I think you should remember is that marriage is a vocation. As serious as the vocation of religious orders or Holy Order. People spend years discerning these vocations before taking their solemn vows. Just as a person discerning these vocations would not be indifferent to any of the teachings of the Catholic Church, neither should you, in your discernment of the vocation of marriage.

So, just slow it down a bit. Not so that you can talk yourself out of this relationship. You are young, and have the luxury of taking your time, to slow it down and properly discern this very important vocation. The marriage preparations will help both of you in this discernment. Not as a way to discourage your desire for marriage, but to ensure that you have poked around every corner, issue and not put aside anything because it is uncomfortable or difficult. It is a healthy thing to do, for you and your relationship.

One other thought, to a few things you have said, and I’ll relate it first to my own conversion to Catholicism. At the time, as I said, my husband objected because he feared it would split us up. If I had said, “well I won’t convert because it is upsetting you”, I know that eventually I would have felt resentful towards him. During our conversations, I let him know that it was something I needed to do, and if he wasn’t on board in giving me my freedom to go where I needed to go and do what I needed to do, well, there is where he could find the risk of us ending.

So, when you say your bf was pressuring you to convert, and your anger over this caused him to say “never mind” (in so many words or actions)… I’d think on that one for a while and bring it back around to discuss with him.

While he is saying he is not trying to change you, you have forced a change in him. Do you see this? By this I mean, he changed, from insisting you convert so he could marry a Mormon, to saying that it is no longer important to him. It is quite a big change.

Don’t let that one lie as it is. It is one of those things that could come back to haunt you, that can be brought up as “I gave up everything for you” sort of thing. You don’t want him resenting you at some future time. You should make sure you talk to him about this. Not as a confrontation, but to ensure that he sees what he has done, and make sure he has done it freely, not out of fear of losing you. If he has changed for you, that is not good. It may seem romantic, and “look how much he loves me”, but it isn’t! It is a big red flag for future problems.

You both need to be free to follow your faith. Doing something out of fear, such as the fear of losing you, is not freedom; it is the seed of resentment. You both need to be sure of what you are doing and that neither of you compromise your freedom.
 
lippylibby,
So, when you say your bf was pressuring you to convert, and your anger over this caused him to say “never mind” (in so many words or actions)… I’d think on that one for a while and bring it back around to discuss with him.

While he is saying he is not trying to change you, you have forced a change in him. Do you see this? By this I mean, he changed, from insisting you convert so he could marry a Mormon, to saying that it is no longer important to him. It is quite a big change.

Don’t let that one lie as it is. It is one of those things that could come back to haunt you, that can be brought up as “I gave up everything for you” sort of thing. You don’t want him resenting you at some future time. You should make sure you talk to him about this. Not as a confrontation, but to ensure that he sees what he has done, and make sure he has done it freely, not out of fear of losing you. If he has changed for you, that is not good. It may seem romantic, and “look how much he loves me”, but it isn’t! It is a big red flag for future problems.

You both need to be free to follow your faith. Doing something out of fear, such as the fear of losing you, is not freedom; it is the seed of resentment. You both need to be sure of what you are doing and that neither of you compromise your freedom.
he did not say never mind he wants whats best for me and because he is a Mormon he think his church could offer me a lot. he is one of the most stubborn guy I have ever met (nearly as stubborn as I am) and if he thinks he knows best he dose not just give in to me. when their is a problem as their was with his conversion attempt we both slow things down take a step back and look at what is really going on. I told him just how much my faith has made me who I am and how much I depend on my faith to keep things running smoothly in my life. after he saw things through my eyes he sounded like he had a respect for the way things are and why I was not trying to convert him. if the holy spirit speaks through me and the example I lead then it would be wonderful to have him be catholic if his heart is hardened to it then that’s how it will be. he can set whatever example he thinks will let the holy spirit speak through him. no one was ever hurt by those who care about them self sacrificing to much lol, and it allows for both of us to practice the similarities our faith has, we already spent a lot of time talking about the differences.
 
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