LDS Christmas card, Christian? you decide!

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All the points you have raised have already been discussed and refuted on this board before.
TRUTH cannot be refuted.
By refusing to acknowledge the Church that Christ Himself established in favor of a story that has not, cannot, and will never be, verified, you deliberately, and with full knowledge, deny Christ. So, whose head is buried in the sand?
I leave you to your “story” for which a full accounting will be be required - at a later date. 😉
 
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I leave you to your “story” for which a full accounting will be be required - at a later date. 😉
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Agreed! I am willing to wait! I look forward to seeing you at that time. I like what Moroni (the last prophet to write in the Book of Mormon) has said about that:

Ether 12:

38 And now I, Moroni, bid farewell unto the Gentiles, yea, and also unto my brethren whom I love, until we shall meet before the judgment-seat of Christ, where all men shall know that my garments are not spotted with your blood.

39 And then shall ye know that I have seen Jesus, and that he hath talked with me face to face, and that he told me in plain humility, even as a man telleth another in mine own language, concerning these things;amgid
 
amgid said:
“That original church” WAS “the Church established by Christ 2000 years ago”. Then it went apostate, and had to be restored.
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Study this Amgid, your King James will work just fine. Comment on it. You might find yourself fighting against Jesus. I know you are not in your heart. I know this… God Bless

Luke 14:28-30

Which of you wishing to construct a tower does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if there is enough for its completion?

Otherwise, after laying the foundation and finding himself unable to finish the work the onlookers should laugh at him

and say, ‘This one began to build but did not have the resources to finish.’ ….Jesus

“Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt 16:19)? What about his promise that he would be with his Church until the end of time (Matt 28:20)? What about his promise to send the Holy Spirit as a guide who would abide with the Church (John 14:16,26)? The Holy Spirit guids the Church into all truth (John 16:13)?

Scripture mentions an apostasy in Matthew 24:4-12; Mark 13:21-23; Luke 21:7-8; Acts 20:29-30; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 2 Timothy 3:1-7, 4:1-4; 2 Peter 2:1-3; and Jude 17-19. But never a total apostasy, this would completely contradict everything that Jesus taught and gave. “On this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt 16:18); “Behold, I will be with you always, even until the end of the world” (Matt 28:20); “The Father…will give you another Advocate to be with you always” (John 14:16); “The Advocate, the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name, he will teach you everything and remind you of all I have told you” (John 14:26); “But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth” (John 16:13).
The Church is Christ’s own body, Romans 12:1-5; 1 Corinthians 12:12-27; Ephesians 3:4-6; 5:21-32; and Colossians 1:18. (Eph 4:15-16 (John 15:1-8). “It’s inconceivable that he would permit his body to disintegrate under the attacks of Satan. The apostle John reminds us that Jesus is greater than Satan.” Patrick Madrid (1 John 4:4).[3]

We do have those in the Church that have and will commit grave sin, they to have a chance to come back in line with Christ and His hope for each of us, until they take their last breath. Why do we have the Church? (Rom 11:22; Gal 5:4; 2 Peter 2:20-22; 1 John 5:16-17), “they can’t prevail against the Church Jesus built on the rock of Peter.[4] If they could—if they did—Jesus is made to look foolish for having taught, “Which of you wishing to construct a tower does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if there is enough for its completion? Otherwise, after laying the foundation and finding himself unable to finish the work the onlookers should laugh at him and say, 'This one began to build but did not have the resources to finish” …Jesus

From: catholic-rcia.com/pages/Apostacy.html
Patrick Madrid
(Luke 15:28-30)

Consider another of Jesus’ promises: “I will ask the Father and he will send you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of the truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it because it remains with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans” (John 14:16-18).

Jesus promised that the wheat and the chaff (good and evil) would be side by side in the Church until the end (Matt 13:24-43, 47-50).

“Jesus conferred on them his power to bind and lose in heaven and on earth (Matt 18:18). He gave them his authority to forgive sins (John 20:21-23; 2 Cor. 5:18-20). He designated Peter as his vicar, giving him a special authority to govern the Church (Matt 16:18-19; John 21:15-17). He promised the apostles that when they taught, he spoke through them, and that whoever rejected their teachings rejected Jesus himself (Matt 10:40; Luke 10:16).” …Patrick Madrid

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As the Church got off the ground, the apostles transmitted this authority to their successors (Acts 1:15-26). Paul exhorted a newly ordained bishop, “Do not neglect the gift you have, which was conferred on you by the prophetic words with the imposition of hands [ordination] of the presbyterate” (1 Tim. 4:14).

Later Paul reminded Timothy that the conferral of apostolic authority was not to be handed on to others without prudent consideration of a candidate’s qualifications: “As for the imposition of hands, do not bestow it inconsiderably” (1 Tim 5:22).

In A.D. 110, Ignatius, bishop of Antioch and disciple of the apostle John, while on his way in chains to Rome to be martyred for the faith, composed letters to six major centers of Catholicism, along the route (Ephesus, Magnesia, Tralles, Philadelphia, Smyrna, Rome). Ignatius provides us with valuable insights into doctrines and practices of the Christian Church at the close of the first century—only one generation removed from the time of Christ. His writings make it clear that the early Church was thoroughly Catholic.

His letters contain a recurring exhortation to remain in communion with the bishops who are successors to the apostles:

“Be eager, therefore, to be firmly grounded in the precepts of the Lord and the apostles, in order that whatever you do you may prosper, physically and spiritually in faith and love, in the Son and the Father and in the Spirit…together with your most distinguished bishop and that beautifully-woven spiritual crown which is your presbytery and the godly deacons. Be subject to the bishop and to one another” (Letter to the Magnesians 13:1-2)

“Since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume at this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the succession of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which come down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree—all the faithful in the whole world—and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies,3,3:1-2)

Deuteronomy 13:2-6 and 18:20-22
 
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