LDS church publishes an article teaching about Lent

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TexanKnight said:
You were lucky. Every parish I attended charged.

You claim 7500…I am guessing that was the tithe the Lord Commanded?

And since you paid zero I am assuming you NEVER contributed in the two collection plates at every mass?

or to the yearly Bishop’s Collection Goal?

or the yearly parish collection goal?

That is sad. I contributed in all. See, I tithed as a Catholic. The Lord said to.
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You assume too much. Of course, I donate for the running of the parish and eparchy. I helped pay for the new roof for our church building which was sorely needed. I also donate to Catholic charities that help Christians in the Middle East and Africa, particularly the refugees. Not that it is any of your business. However, you did engage in a passive aggressive insult of my character. Do you not give people the benefit of the doubt?

The difference is that I did not have to provide an accounting to the priest that I was donating in order to receive the Sacraments, i.e., the donations were not required to obtain the Sacraments. In order to obtain my temple recommend and a recommend for sealing, I had to make an accounting to the LDS bishop that I was a full tithe payer. No full tithe, no recommend, no sealing. A civil wedding would have been required and the gossip about what we had done (probably fornication) to not be “worthy” for a temple wedding would have commenced.
 
iepuras said:
Cost of my Catholic Baptism, Confirmation and First Communion = $0

Cost of my children’s Catholic Baptism = $0

Cost of my children’s Chrismation and First Communion = $0

Cost for our priest to come and bless our home every year = $0

Cost of my Catholic wedding = $0*

Annual cost to obtain temple recommend so I could be sealed in and LDS temple for free = $7,500

*The dispensation required to get married in the Catholic Church was rather complicated due to the fact that I was unbaptized, my husband is Greek Catholic and the priest is Roman Catholic. We had to pay a $35 administrative fee to the Greek Catholic eparch (bishop) to prepare the dispensation paperwork and send it to the Holy See for approval. The priest paid the fee and refused to allow us to pay. We ended up making a contribution to the parish’s capital campaign because of the kindness of the priest.
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Yes, that is my experience. The Catholic Church does not charge fees for the sacraments.

At a Parish Finance Council meeting, a member suggested we change a small fee to non-parishioners to cover the utility bill, but the Priest said, “we do not charge for the sacraments.”
I wouldn’t think that a small fee to cover the utility bill would be “charging a fee” for the sacraments, so I would not be surprised if some parish someplace would do it. But I have never heard of it, at any parish I’ve attended.
 
iepuras said:
You assume too much. Of course, I donate for the running of the parish and eparchy. I helped pay for the new roof for our church building which was sorely needed. I also donate to Catholic charities that help Christians in the Middle East and Africa, particularly the refugees. Not that it is any of your business. However, you did engage in a passive aggressive insult of my character. Do you not give people the benefit of the doubt?

If you took that as an insult, I apologize. I felt you were insulting saying you took a Lord’s commandment and gave it a price. But, my comments were not meant to insult. You said you paid zero…I took that as zero. When you compared that to our “offering” which the Tithe GOD commands…well…I assumed the comparison was complete. Again, I apologize.

The difference is that I did not have to provide an accounting to the priest that I was donating in order to receive the Sacraments, i.e., the donations were not required to obtain the Sacraments. In order to obtain my temple recommend and a recommend for sealing, I had to make an accounting to the LDS bishop that I was a full tithe payer. No full tithe, no recommend, no sealing. A civil wedding would have been required and the gossip about what we had done (probably fornication) to not be “worthy” for a temple wedding would have commenced.

Again, God gave us commandments. We are free to pick and choose that which we will follow. Not following any of them has consequences. I could not take Catholic communion because I married a non-Catholic. I had the same stigma.

I have never been asked to give an accounting. I have been asked if I am full tithe payer. The bishop has taken my answer. Much like if the priest asks you if you are doing something and you are given the chance to lie or be honest.

Again, if I offended, I truly apologize.
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Stephen168 said:
Yes, that is my experience. The Catholic Church does not charge fees for the sacraments.

At a Parish Finance Council meeting, a member suggested we change a small fee to non-parishioners to cover the utility bill, but the Priest said, “we do not charge for the sacraments.”
I wouldn’t think that a small fee to cover the utility bill would be “charging a fee” for the sacraments, so I would not be surprised if some parish someplace would do it. But I have never heard of it, at any parish I’ve attended.
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Maybe it is just a Texas thing…or a Dallas thing. Odd that there would be that lack of consistency.
 
TexanKnight said:
Let us be VERY clear. The LDS temple uses Masonic ceremonies and until 1990 included promises to be and be killed. Additionally, you can believe in their God, never miss a church meeting, follow the commandments, give all your free time to God, but if you do not PAY YOUR MONEY, you still cannot get into the temple, which means you can’t get into heaven.

This is a sad, but very true fact. One of the reasons I left the LDS Church is because I could believe that the True God charged admittance into heaven.
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Stephen168:
Let us be VERY clear. The LDS temple uses Masonic ceremonies and until 1990 included promises to be and be killed. Additionally, you can believe in their God, never miss a church meeting, follow the commandments, give all your free time to God, but if you do not PAY YOUR MONEY, you still cannot get into the temple, which means you can’t get into heaven.

I agree that the ceremonies are comparable to the old Masonic Ceremonies. I do not question why God does things. There are many things the Catholic Church took from Jewish ceremonies. In fact, there are a lot of Pagan traditions the Catholic Church adopted. Does that make them wrong?

Yes…if you do not follow God’s commandments, you are not entitled to all the blessings…just like in the Catholic Church

This is a sad, but very true fact. One of the reasons I left the LDS Church is because I could believe that the True God charged admittance into heaven

Of course God does. Jesus said to get to heaven, you had to follow the commandments. That is your admittance. You must follow the commandments. You simply do not like one of those commandments

Abraham tithed. Do you think Abraham though he was buying blessings?
 
TexanKnight said:
I have never been asked to give an accounting.
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So do you not go to tithing settlement? Isn’t that a yearly accounting and declaration, with a copy of all financial donations for the year, to the bishop?

Trust me, if I wasn’t going to tithing settlement and declaring that I was a full tithe payer, along with the exact amount of money donated to the LDS church during the year, my bishop never would have been so quick to give me a temple recommend.

I never sat before a priest with a piece of paper of my annual donations to the parish to declare that I give a full tithe in order to obtain any of the Sacraments. I wasn’t even a registered member of the parish I was baptized in. My current priest happily chrismated my children even though I was not a registered member of the parish.
 
Stephen168 said:
No, as we see in post #126, he can’t treat himself with charity.
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I am truly hopeful the “victim” card is not being played. My very first post when I came back was to say we have much in common and we can use that to stand together.

When someone said they were offended, I apologized. The fact passive aggressive things were said about me or my beliefs I have ignored.

I have just answered questions and pointed out similarities.
 
Also, Catholics do not see making offerings as only giving money. Offerings include time, talent and treasure.

In addition to weekly monetary donations, I also serve as a reader and cantor during Divine Liturgy, which is no small feat for even the trained. Somehow I muddle through and do an ok job.
 
iepuras said:
Also, Catholics do not see making offerings as only giving money. Offerings include time, talent and treasure.

In addition to weekly monetary donations, I also serve as a reader and cantor during Divine Liturgy, which is no small feat for even the trained. Somehow I muddle through and do an ok job.
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Same with LDS. I teach Sunday School. We are also home teachers visiting our assigned members each month. the Women are visiting teachers, doing the same. When we moved, the Bishop had 20 people at our house (much to our surprise) to help moving. The LDS Church is verry much into service and time and talent. Also, given our Bishops and other leaders do so for zero money…and our missionaries give 2 years for no pay…it is all about service and giving our time and talents.

See? We have much in common
 
TexanKnight said:
Same with LDS. I teach Sunday School. We are also home teachers visiting our assigned members each month. the Women are visiting teachers, doing the same. When we moved, the Bishop had 20 people at our house (much to our surprise) to help moving. The LDS Church is verry much into service and time and talent. Also, given our Bishops and other leaders do so for zero money…and our missionaries give 2 years for no pay…it is all about service and giving our time and talents.

See? We have much in common
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Too bad charitable donations to the Red Cross or other good causes do not count towards a full tithe in the LDS church. Nor do all your service hours in callings. I would think a bishop or Relief Society president would put in so much time in service as an offering that monetary donations would not be required to be considered a full tithe payer.
 
iepuras said:
Too bad charitable donations to the Red Cross or other good causes do not count towards a full tithe in the LDS church. Nor do all your service hours in callings. I would think a bishop or Relief Society president would put in so much time in service as an offering that monetary donations would not be required to be considered a full tithe payer.
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If I recall the Scriptures, God said to tithe. After all, it is all God’s…correct? If I donate to Red Cross…should that mean God gets less?

When I was Catholic, The Bishop gave his yearly request for money…I told Father that I was donating to Cars for Kids and not the Bishop. Father told me that giving money to Cars for Kids is fine…but that does not mean I should give less to God.

I guess God is worth it to me. He has given me soooo much. His commanded tithe is the least I can do.
 
iepuras said:
So do you not go to tithing settlement? Isn’t that a yearly accounting and declaration, with a copy of all financial donations for the year, to the bishop?

Trust me, if I wasn’t going to tithing settlement and declaring that I was a full tithe payer, along with the exact amount of money donated to the LDS church during the year, my bishop never would have been so quick to give me a temple recommend.

I never sat before a priest with a piece of paper of my annual donations to the parish to declare that I give a full tithe in order to obtain any of the Sacraments. I wasn’t even a registered member of the parish I was baptized in. My current priest happily chrismated my children even though I was not a registered member of the parish.
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Please see questions in bold. I straight out told you you avoided answering a question. Nothing passive aggressive about it. I just used the term you used to use.
 
iepuras said:
Please see questions in bold. I straight out told you you avoided answering a question. Nothing passive aggressive about it. I just used the term you used to use.
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Yes…you used what I used to use. I was being passive aggressive. That means…🙂

Yes…I thought I answered. I said I am never asked to give a number accounting. I am asked if what I paid was a full tithe. I ask for my settlement paper so I can have it for tax purposes. I did the same when I was Catholic.

The Bishop knows what I have paid…he asks if it is a full tithe. I say yes.

The Bishop does exactly what my Priest used to do. I am asked if I am following the commandments.
 
TexanKnight said:
If I recall the Scriptures, God said to tithe. After all, it is all God’s…correct? If I donate to Red Cross…should that mean God gets less?

When I was Catholic, The Bishop gave his yearly request for money…I told Father that I was donating to Cars for Kids and not the Bishop. Father told me that giving money to Cars for Kids is fine…but that does not mean I should give less to God.

I guess God is worth it to me. He has given me soooo much. His commanded tithe is the least I can do.
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And what about where Jesus said that if you do something for the least of His brethren you have done it to Him? None of His examples included giving money to the church or temple and ignoring giving to others because you already gave at church.
 
TexanKnight said:
Yes…you used what I used to use. I was being passive aggressive. That means…🙂

Yes…I thought I answered. I said I am never asked to give a number accounting. I am asked if what I paid was a full tithe. I ask for my settlement paper so I can have it for tax purposes. I did the same when I was Catholic.

The Bishop knows what I have paid…he asks if it is a full tithe. I say yes.

The Bishop does exactly what my Priest used to do. I am asked if I am following the commandments.
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If I were an auditor and wanted to do assurance testing that a donation was properly recorded, I would give the donor a piece of paper with a list of all donations and ask if it was accurate. That is an accounting. The bishop does pretty much the same thing.

Those old questions on the CPA exam were useful after all.
 
iepuras said:
And what about where Jesus said that if you do something for the least of His brethren you have done it to Him? None of His examples included giving money to the church or temple and ignoring giving to others because you already gave at church.
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You seem to act like if you comply with one commandment, you can ignore others. Yes…we are to care for our brothers and sisters.

We are to tithe.

Nowhere does it say that if you do one you can ignore the other.

Again…God has richly blessed me…giving God his commanded 10% is a privilege. So is helping and doing to the least. So is following His other commandments. I do not tell God, “God…I did 6 commandments already, so I can do less of the others.”
 
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