LDS Church says its role in Mountain Meadows Massacre ‘terrible and inexcusable’

[zerinus]

Well why me, would it help if I translated hell to outer darkness for you?

This is a Catholic forum, I speak in Catholic terms.

I don’t know why you would think I made these things up, as they were said to me by my own so-called family.

If you have problems within your own personal family, don’t try to use that to cast aspersions on the rest of LDS community. All kinds of things can go wrong within a problem family, which has no general bearing on the rest of the community. I agree with why-me here. What you describe is not characteristic behavior among Latter-day Saints. You appear to have a problem within your own family, and then try to project that on the rest of the Mormon community.

zerinus

 

[RebeccaJ]

If you have problems within your own personal family, don’t try to use that to cast aspersions on the rest of LDS community. All kinds of things can go wrong within a problem family, which has no general bearing on the rest of the community. I agree with why-me here. What you describe is not characteristic behavior among Latter-day Saints. You appear to have a problem within your own family, and then try to project that on the rest of the Mormon community.

zerinus

Whatever zerinus. You have stated similar yourself, if not worse. And my family didn’t come to these beliefs in a vacuum. Someone taught them and you what to believe.

 

[PaulDupre]

If you have problems within your own personal family, don’t try to use that to cast aspersions on the rest of LDS community. All kinds of things can go wrong within a problem family, which has no general bearing on the rest of the community. I agree with why-me here. What you describe is not characteristic behavior among Latter-day Saints. You appear to have a problem within your own family, and then try to project that on the rest of the Mormon community.

zerinus

If this is not characteristic behavior among the LDS, then why do so many thousands of former Mormons have the exact same experiences of being shunned, demonized and villified by their LDS families? The LDS tell their children that “uncle so-and-so is not worthy anymore” or that “we can’t trust auntie any more because she is an apostate”. Just examine your own anti-gentile prejudices, Zerinus. You are a shining example of bigotry against non-Mormons - it is in your every post.

If you go to a forum like MHMC (Mormons Have My Child) or many other forums that lend moral support to families suffering because of Mormonism, you will find that it is SOP for the Mormons to isolate new converts from their non-member families and turn them against their families.

You can also read the first-hand accounts of literally thousands of families that have been intentionally broken up by LDS leaders and members when a Mormon leaves the faith. One of the standard tools that Mormons use to keep their members from defecting is the common knowledge that any member who leaves will likely lose his LDS family.

Lord have mercy,
Paul

 

[RebeccaJ]

If this is not characteristic behavior among the LDS, then why do so many thousands of former Mormons have the exact same experiences of being shunned, demonized and villified by their LDS families? The LDS tell their children that “uncle so-and-so is not worthy anymore” or that “we can’t trust auntie any more because she is an apostate”. Just examine your own anti-gentile prejudices, Zerinus. You are a shining example of bigotry against non-Mormons - it is in your every post.

If you go to a forum like MHMC (Mormons Have My Child) or many other forums that lend moral support to families suffering because of Mormonism, you will find that it is SOP for the Mormons to isolate new converts from their non-member families and turn them against their families.

You can also read the first-hand accounts of literally thousands of families that have been intentionally broken up by LDS leaders and members when a Mormon leaves the faith. One of the standard tools that Mormons use to keep their members from defecting is the common knowledge that any member who leaves will likely lose his LDS family.

Lord have mercy,
Paul

Well, mormons seek to be just like their god…and they do a pretty good job at one aspect. They have the conditional love part down.

 

[PaulDupre]

Sad but true.

Paul

 

[Chris-WA]

They may not be killed and raped like in past times, but living in the Bible belt, I have found that people will seek out opportunities to attack me because of my faith. I have been told that I do not understand my religion and that I do not practice it because I cut my hair and watch TV. I have been told that I’m going to Hell for worshiping the devil. I know others who have not gotten jobs or positions in school because they are LDS. It is no longer a physical persecution, it is all emotion and mental. This summer I went to Palmyra NY. This is a very significant place in my church’s history. While there I had multiple people of anti-mormon groups come up to me and tell me that I was going to Hell and that I needed to repent. When I asked them what I had to do to be saved, most of the time the answer was to accept Jesus Christ as my savior. Whenever I told people I did, they would tell me that I was lying and that I didn’t truly believe. If this isn’t a form of persecution, I don’t know what is.

I have to agree with the others who have responded to this post. What you describe is not persecution. If you think it is persecution, then you are overly sensitive to criticism. Many LDS have this same persecution complex, in which they regard any criticism or challenge to their faith as “persecution.” Mormons tend to shut down and put up a wall when their religion is criticized. This often makes it difficult to have rational discussions with Mormons–they tend to be very defensive on such matters, almost spring-loaded to go into “persecution mode.”

As a Catholic I can take criticism of my church by non-members and even laugh at the jokes. It’s not a big deal because emotion does not control my response to such criticism. My own theory is that a typical Mormon’s testimony is largely based on emotion, which is why they seem to get so emotional whenever that testimony is challenged by a non-Mormon. So much of what Mormon’s believe is based on feelings. They are taught from the time they are very little that these feelings are actually revelation from the Holy Spirit confirming that Mormonism is true. So truth is affirmed by *feelings, *and those feelings translate into “I know the church is true.”

 

[Kristine1957]

If you have problems within your own personal family, don’t try to use that to cast aspersions on the rest of LDS community. All kinds of things can go wrong within a problem family, which has no general bearing on the rest of the community. I agree with why-me here. What you describe is not characteristic behavior among Latter-day Saints. You appear to have a problem within your own family, and then try to project that on the rest of the Mormon community.

zerinus

What Rebecca J describes is EXACTLY like a typical Mormon community and thier behavior when someone decides to leave the church. Maybe Zerinus you should try to leave your ** Perfect Fold ** for awhile and see what former mormons really go through…

 

[isaac.madsen]

What Rebecca J describes is EXACTLY like a typical Mormon community and thier behavior when someone decides to leave the church. Maybe Zerinus you should try to leave your ** Perfect Fold ** for awhile and see what former mormons really go through…

No kidding. I haven’t even left the church yet and I’m being treated pretty unfairly, but it doesn’t bother me. I’m talking to my family on the phone as I write this.