LDS, Creeds, and the Trinity

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TexanKnight said:
then why does it keep changing?
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Exactly! Like when Joseph Smith made up the garment and Masonic temple rituals he said cursed be upon the man who changes these. Well, they’ve been changed multiple times. Or how the BOM is suppose to be the most correct book on the face of the earth and it has had 2,000 changes. And it still is! They just released a new 2013 version! Wonder if they took the racial verses out? Yeah, because its the most correct book. If Christ is telling the prophets what to say then why is Christ changing his mind all of the time? False prophets promote false doctrines.
 
SteveVH said:
Actually they can never be separate and never are separate. Where the Father is, there also are the Son and the Holy Spirit. Where the Son is, there also are the Father and the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit is, there also are the Father and the Son. “If you have seen me you have seen the Father.”

The Persons of the Trinity are distinct only in relationship; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each of them is God, whole and entire. God, by his very nature cannot separate himself. A house divided cannot stand.
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Your right. I just was thinking like visions, but they are all still one!
 
armyross said:
Sorry I was feeling very Pro-Catholic today. I can not stand this cult that I grew up in. And almost thanks Jesus I did not go on there so called “Mission”. And when they come on here just to try and tell there lie’s. It’s not there fault most of them were just raised that way. I pray for them. Peace out
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Were you feeling very Pro-Catholic or very anti-Mormon? From your posts I would say it was the latter.

We were invited here as non-Catholics to discuss our sincere and most sacred beliefs, and I have enjoyed many discussions with pro-Catholics. I may not be aware of their deepest feelings about me or my religion, but most have been kind enough not to call me a liar.
 
mtolympus said:
Were you feeling very Pro-Catholic or very anti-Mormon? From your posts I would say it was the latter.

We were invited here as non-Catholics to discuss our sincere and most sacred beliefs, and I have enjoyed many discussions with pro-Catholics. I may not be aware of their deepest feelings about me or my religion, but most have been kind enough not to call me a liar.
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who called you a liar and for what?

as to pro or anti…for one to be a true Catholic, one must be anti-lds. We are instructed to against all false prophets.

But we are not against the people…just the false church they are part of and unable to logically defend
 
mtolympus said:
Were you feeling very Pro-Catholic or very anti-Mormon? From your posts I would say it was the latter.

We were invited here as non-Catholics to discuss our sincere and most sacred beliefs, and I have enjoyed many discussions with pro-Catholics. I may not be aware of their deepest feelings about me or my religion, but most have been kind enough not to call me a liar.
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I apologize if we have not made you feel welcome in our home, mtolympus.

It is true that there are some very passionate feelings about Mormonism here on the CAFs, esp. with those who have left the LDS.

I seem to be able to discuss Mormonism with less emotion, as I have no ties to Mormons whatsoever, save for the few Mormon folks I know, who are quite lovely people.

I appreciate a lively discussion, and am interested in apologia for your beliefs, but please be aware that Catholics are going to provide their own apologia for our beliefs, and why we believe Mormonism to be false.
 
TexanKnight said:
who called you a liar and for what?
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Originally Posted by Armyross
“And when they come on here just to try and tell there lie’s.”

I was one of about three active LDS participating on this thread.

If what you say is true, they should shut down the Non Catholic religions sections, or at least ban all LDS posters who come here “just to try and tell their lies.”
 
mtolympus said:
Originally Posted by Armyross
“And when they come on here just to try and tell there lie’s.”

I was one of about three active LDS participating on this thread.

If what you say is true, they should shut down the Non Catholic religions sections, or at least ban all LDS posters who come here “just to try and tell their lies.”
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lol…that is like saying that if support freedom of speech, you must agree with everything said and believe everything said.

You claim the b of m is true. It isn’t. That makes you say false. You claim js had a first vision…that is false. he had several versions and they were patterned after others in his area who claimed to have visions. You claim there was an apostasy. Now, either js is lying, or Jesus is., Do you mind if we choose to believe Jesus?

the list of falsehoods promoted by the lds church is long and uncontroverted by logical arguments.

If that offends you, I apologize. I really do. But facts are facts.
 
mtolympus said:
Originally Posted by Armyross
“And when they come on here just to try and tell there lie’s.”

I was one of about three active LDS participating on this thread.

If what you say is true, they should shut down the Non Catholic religions sections, or at least ban all LDS posters who come here “just to try and tell their lies.”
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I think it would be offensive for someone to come here, knowing he was professing untruths, in an effort to fool Catholics into becoming Mormons.

However, I think the charge against you mtolympus, as spreading lies, is calumny. You are not intentionally spreading lies–only professing what you believe to be true.

That we believe that your beliefs are false is different than saying you are intentionally lying.

As such, I also apologize for those who have called you a liar. You are not.
 
PRmerger said:
I think it would be offensive for someone to come here, knowing he was professing untruths, in an effort to fool Catholics into becoming Mormons.

However, I think the charge against you mtolympus, as spreading lies, is calumny. You are not intentionally spreading lies–only professing what you believe to be true.

That we believe that your beliefs are false is different than saying you are intentionally lying.

As such, I also apologize for those who have called you a liar. You are not.
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actually, you do not know if he is or not. It is your opinion based on reading posts…not exactly a truly informed opinion.

All we know for sure is he has posted things that are not true.
 
TexanKnight said:
actually, you do not know if he is or not. It is your opinion based on reading posts…not exactly a truly informed opinion.

All we know for sure is he has posted things that are not true.
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I would never call a man a liar unless I knew he was.

And neither should you.

It appears, initially, that you thought that it would be, indeed, calumny to call a man a liar here, when you asked, “Who has called you a liar?”

Now it appears you are saying, “If we called you a liar, and you are offended by that, I am sorry. But it’s true that you are a liar.”
 
PRmerger said:
I would never call a man a liar unless I knew he was.

And neither should you.

It appears, initially, that you thought that it would be, indeed, calumny to call a man a liar here, when you asked, “Who has called you a liar?”

Now it appears you are saying, “If we called you a liar, and you are offended by that, I am sorry. But it’s true that you are a liar.”
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I did not call him one. I did not suggest anyone call him one. I am saying that your statement that he is not is odd because you have nothing but internet posts to base that on. And no sane person will base opinions of integrity solely on internet posts.

But, as relates to what he says about js, the lds church and the lds god…yes, I believe he is passing on untruths. I cannot see or know his intent, so I cannot determine his honesty, …but the fact he has no logical defenses to what we post indicates that, at the very least, he is aware of his tenuous position.
 
TexanKnight said:
I did not call him one.
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Excellent.

Then we are agreed that it would be offensive to call a Mormon who appears on our forum a “liar” when all he was doing was providing apologia for his beliefs that he believed to be true.
 
TexanKnight said:
I am saying that your statement that he is not is odd because you have nothing but internet posts to base that on. And no sane person will base opinions of integrity solely on internet posts.
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It is against forum rules to question the sincerity of a member’s posts.

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Originally posted by CAFs: “It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual’s beliefs”
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PRmerger said:
It is against forum rules to question the sincerity of a member’s posts.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2801887&postcount=3
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lol…I did not question them. I am Catholic. I follow the Catholic Church teachings about the truthfulness of the lds church.

Again, my post was more to you and your flat statement he is being honest. Did you pray about it and get a burning in your bosom? Since all you have to go on posting, that would seem to be the only way you would know.

One does not have to “not question” without declaring someone is honest.

Just sayin…
 
PRmerger said:
The forum rules demand that I accept that he is, until proven otherwise.
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lol…you are free to accept his beliefs.

I will follow the teachings of the Catholic Church.

We all have to make choices.

I can live with mine.

And I respect this board. I have set up a monthly donation to help it.

But as for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.

Be Blessed!
 
PRmerger said:
And you, too, must accept** the sincerity **of his beliefs.

[SIGN1]It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual’s beliefs.[/SIGN1]
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no. I don’t. I simply do not have to question him…I will not call him a liar as some lds have called me.

See, I will follow the teachings of the Catholic Church.

You can choose whatever you want.

One thing you cannot do, is order me to do something. Unless, of course, you are a Colonel in the military, since I am an LTC…or unless you are the Senior Managing Attorney at the firm where I am a managing attorney, or unless you are my wife.

Let me know if you are one of those…
 
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