LDS dishonesty about history? why does the catholic church find this religion false?

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Has there been dishonesty within the LDS church? What are reasons why has the catholic church has found the LDS church untrue?
 
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Has there been dishonesty within the LDS church? What are reasons why has the catholic church has found the LDS church untrue?
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Mormons are not comfortable with much of the early history of their church. It is problematic for them. I am not sure they have actually been dishonest, but rather they have just pushed it to the background so far that many Mormons only a sanitized version of their church’s history.

Almost all of the actual history is found in their church publications, but no one seems to read them. I think they are called Journal of Discourses or something similar. Their early leaders said many things that today are not repeated or believed.

The Catholic Church does not view the Mormon church as Christian. Though we may find individuals who are Christians within the Mormon church, they are Christians in spite of being members of the Mormon church and will eventually awake to see a greater truth within the Catholic Church.

Beyond that there really is not much to say.
 
The Catholic Church condemns Mormonism because of their improper view of the Most Holy Trinity and because of their other false doctrines. The Early Christians did not believe that the Trinity was 3 gods. No, the Early Christianity believed that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were 1 God in 3 Persons. Not 3 gods, 1 God! The Mormons believe that the Father is a god, the Son is a god, and the Holy Spirit is a god. They also believe that we can become gods in the future. This is the sin of idolatry. I think a lot of Mormonism comes from ignorance of true Church teaching as well.
 
There are plenty of questionable historical claims in the Mormon Church. Just to name a few:
  1. The claims of the book of Mormon itself. In there, it lists two tribes that predominantly populated the pre-colonial Americas–the Lamanites, and the Nephites. Except that there is no historical nor archeological evidence of either tribe. They supposedly used metal coins for currency, and rode horses, and battled each other in the tens of thousands using heavy armory like metal swords and shields. Except that ancient American and South American tribes never used coins, never rode horses until the Spanish Conquistadors, and never used the types of weapons described in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon also describes how the entire Nephite tribe, numbering in the thousands were slain on the Hill Cummorah, but to this day, no archeological record of it exists anywhere. They can’t even say precisely where the HIll Cummorah is, whether it’s in New York, or somewhere in South America. The Nephites and Lamanites supposedly came from Israel and migrated to the Americas. Yet when DNA testing has been done on ancient American tribes known to have existed during that time in the Americas, not a single DNA signature shows origins from Ancient Israel.
  2. The book of Abraham. Another book considered scripture by the Mormons and translated by Joseph Smith from an ancient Eqyptian Papyri purchased from traveling side-show proprietor Michael Chandler in Kirtland, which Smith primarily based his “many gods” doctrine on, turned out to be, when translated by professionals, nothing more than a pagan funeral text emphasizing the goddesses Isis and Osiris.
  3. the origins of the religion itself. Smith allegedly saw a vision of Heavenly Father and Jesus in the sacred grove in New York in 1820 telling him to found a new church, had no less than 8 different versions before the final approved vision that’s known today. Some included angels, while others consisted of only Heavenly Father, etc. It also took over a decade before Smith published the story of the vision after the church was established.
  4. Smith was a liar. He said publicly he didn’t engage in polygamy, yet when the Navouo Expositor exposed his plural marriages to the community at the time, he sent a militia to burn down the evidence, eventually leading to his imprisonment in the Carthage Jail and his death in a shoot out. He, in fact had as many as 56 wives, documented by many of the women themselves in follow-up histories of the Mormon Church and this information is part of public Mormon church archives, yet no one reads them today.
Contrast all of this with the true Church. The Catholic Church. Instead of fictional cities in the Book of Mormon like “Bountiful” and “Zarahemla”, the Catholic Scripture cites, “Beth’saida” and “Nazareth”. Instead of doctrine that changes with time, like plural marriage commanded by God/condemned by God, and black people being apart of the condemned Lamanite race/no longer condemned, you have unchanging doctrine and a faith that goes all the way back to Christ Himself. And instead of an infinite amount of gods in the Mormon faith, in the Catholic Church–in life, there is only One God. There was never a Great Apostasy. The Catholic Church was here all along.
 
**+ I posted this on another thread . . . thought it might help here . . . **
Jesus_123 said:
  • … I was raised as a child in the heart of “Mormon” country here in the United States … Though I knew many Mormons as friends in school and our neighborhood . . . their belief system is known to Catholics and Protestants alike essentially as a CULT . . . and it is an immensely large one . . . and their understandings, definitions and usage of the same religious and scriptural words are RADICALLY different . . .
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jwillett717 said:
Has there been dishonesty within the LDS church? What are reasons why has the catholic church has found the LDS church untrue?
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Are you speaking of LDS history or Christian history (i.e. the “Great Apostasy”)?
 
Babylonian Mystery Religions and Gnosticism are just civilized Satanism. They can easily be summed up–even in their seeming disparities–in this: they contradict everything God has revealed about His nature and His will and our loving relationship to Him.

Man will become gods versus God becoming Incarnate…Secrecy versus spreading the Good News freely…Elitism versus God’s election consisting of His choice of whom He will…Caste system, “degrees” and Temple Mormons versus equality before God, to give modern examples in Hinduism, Freemasonry and Mormonism. All stem from an adversarial relationship with God, the definition of “satan” or “adversary.” May the Most High make us “faithful and true.”
 
It is not only the Catholic Church. Most Christian denominations do not hold Mormons to be Christians. Here is what the LCMS has to say.
The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, together with the vast majority of Christian denominations in the United States, does not regard the Mormon church as a Christian church. That is because the official writings of Mormonism deny fundamental teachings of orthodox Christianity. For example, the Nicene Creed confesses the clear biblical truth that Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Trinity, is “of one substance with the Father.” This central article of the Christian faith is expressly rejected by Mormon
teaching- thus undermining the very heart of the scriptural Gospel itself. In a chapter titled “Jesus Christ, the Son of God: Are Mormons Christian?” the president of Brigham Young University (Rex Lee, What Do Mormons Believe? [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1992] summarizes Mormon teaching by stating that the three persons of the Trinity are “not… one being” (21), but are “separate individuals.” In addition, the Father is regarded as having a body “of flesh and bone” (22). Such teaching is contrary to the Holy
Scriptures, destructive to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and indicative of the fact that Mormon teaching isnot Christian.
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thanks so much for all the information!
it was quite helpful.

Zaffiro- im concerned about this because im doing a research project in my Bible class on the catholic and mormon religious views, how they compare to each other. plus i want to know some things so when one of my many mormon friends begins telling me about their church and why its correct, i can have a legitmate response as to why i dont believe so.

Stephen168- what i meant by untrue is mormons believe their church is the true church, and i wanted to know why catholics believe it is not, or untrue.

SteveVH- im speaking of LDS history
 
jwillett717 said:
what i meant by untrue is mormons believe their church is the true church, and i wanted to know why catholics believe it is not, or untrue.
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I would start with the law of non-contraction. (If something is ‘A,’ it can not be ‘A’ at the same time.)
God is either a triune God of one being and three persons or he is not.
The Bishop of Rome is either the successor of St. Peter or he is not.
Infant baptism is an abomination or it is not.
The Book of Mormon is a history of all the american aboriginal people or it is not.
Jesus Christ is fully present in the Eucharist or he is not.
Divorce is possible or it is not.
 
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