LDS Doctrine: the Sources and Scope

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1holycatholic said:
I can only go by the teachings that are listed the official LDS website, not by an LDS who repudiates official LDS teaching when it is shown to be nonsensical.
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Please excuse my scepticism: but judging from your posts, I doubt highly that you got any of your information from lds.org.
 
CatholicGuyNY said:
and what was wrong with his posts? Do LDS believe in a plurality of Gods?
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Why yes they do, as I pointed out from the lds.org web site on post #126 of this thread:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6969996&postcount=126

Straight from the source:Explain that the Prophet Joseph Smith taught the following:
“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods” (History of the Church, 6:474).
 
1holycatholic said:
Why yes they do, as I pointed out from the lds.org web site on post #126 of this thread:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6969996&postcount=126

Straight from the source:Explain that the Prophet Joseph Smith taught the following:
“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods” (History of the Church, 6:474).
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Does this quote help? bolding is mine
… they are distinct: for the Father has no origin, He came from no one. But the Son is begotten, He comes from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit comes or proceeds from both the Father and the Son. These different relations of origin tell us there are three distinct Persons, …
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Ohh, wait, sorry, I made an error, and copied this from a catholic trinity explanation. The Holy Trinity

Now I’m really confused on what point you were trying to make - was it how much alike we are :confused:
 
Todd520 said:
Does this quote help? bolding is mine

Ohh, wait, sorry, I made an error, and copied this from a catholic trinity explanation. The Holy Trinity

Now I’m really confused on what point you were trying to make - was it how much alike we are :confused:
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What part of “three gods” don’t you understand?
 
Todd520 said:
Does this quote help? bolding is mine

Ohh, wait, sorry, I made an error, and copied this from a catholic trinity explanation. The Holy Trinity

Now I’m really confused on what point you were trying to make - was it how much alike we are :confused:
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Do LDS believe in a plurality of Gods? Catholics do not. As we’ve seen, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are referred to as “three Gods”. Catholics would never use such terminology, since we don’t believe that they are “three Gods”.
 
Todd520 said:
What part of “thee distinct persons” don’t you understand?
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The part where each person equals one god.

Christian belief: Three persons in one God.

Non Christian belief: Three persons and three gods.

We’ve gone over this already. There is not a one to one relationship between persons and beings. My dogs are beings, but they aren’t persons. I am one being and one person. God is one being and three persons.
 
CatholicGuyNY said:
“Three distinct persons” does not have to mean “three Gods”. For Catholics, it doesn’t.
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Agree, we are not exactly alike. The Catholics have sort of a spirit Chimera where three distict perons are united in one nature. The LDS have three distict persons united perfectly in one purpose. The are clearly different but we both have complete unity in purpose or action by the Trinity.
 
Todd520 said:
Agree, we are not exactly alike. The Catholics have sort of a spirit Chimera where three distict perons are united in one nature. The LDS have three distict persons united perfectly in one purpose. The are clearly different but we both have complete unity in purpose or action by the Trinity.
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So back to the original point: LDS believe in a plurality of Gods (the LDS.org link refers to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as “three Gods”), Catholics do not. 🤷
 
CatholicGuyNY said:
So back to the original point: LDS believe in a plurality of Gods (the LDS.org link refers to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as “three Gods”), Catholics do not. 🤷
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NO NO NO
LDS believe we may become god, almost like the catholics do
To the Catholics, they join Jesus in his glory but remain of a different nature, but share in the divinty of God

To the LDS, they join Jesus in his glory but remain seperated (not one nature), but share in the divinty of God.

Both faiths believe there is one and only one GOD.
Neither faith believes sharing in the divinity of GOD makes us his equal.
 
Todd520 said:
NO NO NO
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YES YES YES
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             "The most renowned of all the Prophet’s sermons was given at general  conference in April 1844 as a funeral address in honor of his friend  King Follett who had died in a construction accident. Joseph Smith spoke  for over two hours mentioning at least thirty-four doctrinal subjects,  including the importance of knowing the true God, the way to become as  God is, the plurality of gods, eternal progression, the importance of  the Holy Ghost, the nature of intelligence, the unpardonable sin, and  little children and the Resurrection.             
                          One of his most profound messages concerned God and man’s destiny in  relationship to him. He declared, “God himself was once as we are now,  and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! . . .             
                          “. . . you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves . . . by  going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a  great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you  attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in  everlasting burnings.” Man, then, is to become like God now is. Joseph  also explained the “first principles of consolation” for those mourning  for the righteous dead: “although the earthly tabernacle is laid down  and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in  immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall  be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ."" ([LDS Institute Manual](http://institute.lds.org/manuals/church-history-institute-student-manual/chft-16-20-20.asp))
also see Abraham 4
 
Todd520 said:
NO NO NO
LDS believe we may become god, almost like the catholics do
To the Catholics, they join Jesus in his glory but remain of a different nature, but share in the divinty of God

To the LDS, they join Jesus in his glory but remain seperated (not one nature), but share in the divinty of God.

Both faiths believe there is one and only one GOD.
Neither faith believes sharing in the divinity of GOD makes us his equal.
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Not only do you misunderstand Catholicism, you don’t appear to understand Mormonism.
 
RebeccaJ said:
YES YES YES
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             "The most renowned of all the Prophet’s sermons was given at general  conference in April 1844 as a funeral address in honor of his friend  King Follett who had died in a construction accident. Joseph Smith spoke  for over two hours mentioning at least thirty-four doctrinal subjects,  including the importance of knowing the true God, the way to become as  God is, the plurality of gods, eternal progression, the importance of  the Holy Ghost, the nature of intelligence, the unpardonable sin, and  little children and the Resurrection.             
                          One of his most profound messages concerned God and man’s destiny in  relationship to him. He declared, “God himself was once as we are now,  and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! . . .             
                          “. . . you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves . . . by  going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a  great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you  attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in  everlasting burnings.” Man, then, is to become like God now is. Joseph  also explained the “first principles of consolation” for those mourning  for the righteous dead: “although the earthly tabernacle is laid down  and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in  immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall  be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ."" ([LDS Institute Manual](http://institute.lds.org/manuals/church-history-institute-student-manual/chft-16-20-20.asp))
also see Abraham 4
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God is necessarily uncreated.
God is necessarily incorporeal.
God is necessarily atemporal.
etc.

It is not possible for a created thing to become uncreated.

LDS doctrine is demonstrably false.
 
The Catechism states: “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God” (no. 460)

From cuf.org
When God created Adam and Eve, He gave them supernatural grace that allowed them to participate in His divine nature. Christ became man in order to restore this grace, which was forfeited when Adam and Eve sinned. We are united to the Son of God in Baptism, whereby we share in his Passion, Death, and Resurrection. We are thus “sons in the Son” and, by grace, “partakers of the divine nature.”

So you will walk like Jesus, talk like Jesus, partake of the divine nature of Jesus, but aren’t the same as Jesus. I can respect that as your defintion of “becoming God”
 
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