LDS Doctrine: the Sources and Scope

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God is infinite. We are finite. We cannot become gods because God is infinite. God is infinite, which allows no room for multiple gods with different duties/responsibilities. We cannot/do not become gods, because God is infinite. However, we can become intimately and everlastingly joined with God, should we earn Heaven. Such fulfillment transcends relationships with other human beings. Sex and love of family should be as next to nothing compared to the opportunity to be so joined with our Creator.

I think that is simple. So much simpler than Mormon cosmology. 🤷
 
The Catechism states: “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God” (no. 460)

From cuf.org
When God created Adam and Eve, He gave them supernatural grace that allowed them to participate in His divine nature. Christ became man in order to restore this grace, which was forfeited when Adam and Eve sinned. We are united to the Son of God in Baptism, whereby we share in his Passion, Death, and Resurrection. We are thus “sons in the Son” and, by grace, “partakers of the divine nature.”

So you will walk like Jesus, talk like Jesus, partake of the divine nature of Jesus, but aren’t the same as Jesus. I can respect that as your defintion of “becoming God”
wow…you have a tough timne understanding, don;t you? We believe differently. We never change natures. We will only “be God” insomuch as we share in Christ’s divinity while you guys believe you will be actual gods like the millions that already exist and have your little planet, etc.
 
God is infinite. We are finite. We cannot become gods because God is infinite. God is infinite, which allows no room for multiple gods with different duties/responsibilities.
Mormons have a “Limited Infinity” view of their god.
 
The Catechism states: “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God” (no. 460)
CCC #460

You apparently didn’t read, or understand the footnotes.

78 2 Pt 1:4.
79 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3, 19, 1: PG 7/1, 939.
80 St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.
81 St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4.
 
Mormons have a “Limited Infinity” view of their god.
I just don;t get how Todd can either not know his church’s teaching or be dilberately misrepresenting it.

They believe…

God was once a sinful man
The Man who would be God became Exalted and became God
He had spiritual children with his wife
The children will be sinful men
Those men can become exalted and become God
and have spiritual children with their wives
The children will be sinful men
Those men can become exalted and become God.

This is NOTHING like the Catholic doctrine. We do not change natures. YOU DO.

YOU BECOME GODS (which is heresy)
 
Thank you…but I don’t think you are getting the point I was arguing, sir, which is…that you believe that marriage ends at death. 😉
And that is not the same as families being “utterly dissolved” which is what you insist we believe.
 
GOTT SEI DANK ! !
That we have STM to constantly remind us in what we believe
I think STM, and most former mormon members here, have far more experience as members of the LDS Church than you can claim. 🤷
 
And that is not the same as families being “utterly dissolved” which is what you insist we believe.
C’mon…even Rebecca specifically stated that this is precisely what happens, when she wrote about death freeing the remaining mortal spouse to marry again.
 
Just like we have Dianaiad to tell us what we believe.
Where am I wrong? Your problem isn’t that I am telling you what you believe, when you don’t believe this or that. Your problem is that, as I have said, I am quite willing to admit that you believe what you say you do, personally.

What I am demanding is proof that your beliefs are backed by official Catholic statements in scripture or Holy Tradition.

Nobody has done that.
 
Diana, you have seen documentation from the Bible and CCC on many of the traditions and doctrines of the Catholic Church. This documentation refutes your claims. Yet you continue to ignore it, and call for more. Perhaps you ought to read this thread from its beginning, and others like it.

I would suggest that you sit down and read the Bible and CCC. If that doesn’t work, perhaps you should remember that we are getting older, and memory problems get more frequent at our age. Just suggesting.

I am going to suggest that this thread be closed, because it is getting pointless.
 
Time to restate the purpose of the thread, so viewers are clear on real doctrine vs wanna-be doctrine from some mormon-haters
  1. The doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consists of the entirety of the teachings that have been severally accepted by the Church as a body.
  2. These teachings are found in their authoritative form only in the following sources:
  • The Holy Bible;
  • The Book of Mormon;
  • The Doctrine and Covenants;
  • The Pearl of Great Price. These four volumes are collectively referred to as “the Scriptures” or “the Standard Works of the Church;” and
  • Joint statements of the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve.
  1. These teachings may be expounded upon, explained, announced or interpreted in other media, such as:
  • Official Church periodicals;
  • Official Church curriculum materials such as lesson manuals to be used in adult, youth or child classes;
  • The two official Church websites, www.lds.org and www.mormon.org;
  • Talks by Church presidents, apostles and other General Authorities in General Conference;
  • The published records of such talks;
  • Talks by local leaders and members in local Church meetings such as Stake Conferences and Sacrament meetings;
  • Books written by Church leaders and members;
  • Discussions by Church members in various formal and informal settings.
Such sources may be taken as representing the views of those who make them, and as evidence of what the Church’s position may be upon the subjects discussed. None of these sources are held by the Church to be infallible, and as such are not binding upon the Latter-day Saints in matters of faith and morals.
  1. Latter-day Saints believe that prophets are those to whom the Lord may choose to reveal His will on specific subjects from time to time. Latter-day Saints have never believed, and the Church has never taught, that God somehow takes over a prophet’s mind so that he is henceforth incapable of error. Such a view is unreasonable, unscriptural and untrue. Put simply: there is no doctrine of “prophetic infallibility” in the Church.
  2. The nearest thing to such a doctrine is the oft-quoted statement that the Lord would never allow the Prophet to lead the Church astray. However, this is in nowise a claim that the Prophet’s statements would never lead anyone to hold a doctrinally incorrect opinion, because it is not our belief that we will be judged for the doctrinal purity of our opinions. Rather, it asserts that the Lord would never allow the Prophet to turn the Saints away from their duty. Orthopraxy, rather than orthodoxy, is the “gold standard” for the Latter-day Saints; and orthopraxy is mostly viewed in terms of covenant keeping.
  3. From time to time, various Church leaders have taught that Latter-day Saints ought to follow the Prophet’s counsel faithfully in all things. These statement do not affirm or imply that the Prophet is actually infallible, but rather must be understood in terms of point (5) above. Inasmuch as the Lord will not permit the Prophet to lead the Church astray, the Saints will at all times be safe in following the Prophet’s counsel.
What this means for Catholic Answers is this: there is, in some quarters, a popular and rather mean-spirited game that is played wherein a handful of sentences are excerpted from statements made by leaders of the Church, ripped from the context that gives them meaning, and then flung in our faces exclusively for their shock value.

The value of such an approach is limited exclusively to the entertainment it provides to those who are hostile to the Church. It does not help anyone to better understand LDS life and teaching in any way. Believing Latter-day Saints are rightly offended by this tactic, the sole purpose of which is to inflame rather than to inform. Furthermore, to the extent that any less-informed person believes such statements to have any doctrinal force, the game is misleading. Informed, believing Latter-day Saints have a positive duty to not permit such a campaign of misrepresentation to go unchallenged, but vigorously oppose it.
 
We are not prejudiced or bigoted against Mormons. We have problems with the errors in Mormonism, and are grieved that you have fallen under the spirit of deception. Mormons are deceived by the teachings and writings of their leaders, past and present. And the devil is the father of lies. We respond to your posts in the spirit of brotherly love, praying that you might see the True Light.

We do not hate you as people. :bighanky::flowers: You are having problems separating your beliefs from you, as our fellow human beings.
 
Where am I wrong? Your problem isn’t that I am telling you what you believe, when you don’t believe this or that. Your problem is that, as I have said, I am quite willing to admit that you believe what you say you do, personally.

What I am demanding is proof that your beliefs are backed by official Catholic statements in scripture or Holy Tradition.

Nobody has done that.
No the problem is you refuse to accept that we believe families are not “utterly dissolved” in heaven. I’ve given statements that show we believe those who are parted at death are reunited in heaven, but they aren’t worded to you liking. You harp on about wedding vows, insisting that the words mean families are “utterly dissolved” despite what we’ve told you.

You are a hypocrite to insist that we must accept LDS interpretation, and explanation of beliefs, writings, scripture, etc., while denying us the same privilege.
 
and again, what he Pahoran posts is misleading because you do NOT accept the Bible. You accept it only as its translation suits you
 
No the problem is you refuse to accept that we believe families are not “utterly dissolved” in heaven. I’ve given statements that show we believe those who are parted at death are reunited in heaven, but they aren’t worded to you liking. You harp on about wedding vows, insisting that the words mean families are “utterly dissolved” despite what we’ve told you.

You are a hypocrite to insist that we must accept LDS interpretation, and explanation of beliefs, writings, scripture, etc., while denying us the same privilege.
Zaff,
This isn’t about what LDS believes, it’s about unerstanding the source of what you believe.

**Is your belief clearly supported by doctrine or dogma? **
If it isn’t in the catechism or some other reference you can point us to, then it may be more of an inferred belief, open to interpretation, and not consistently believed across the RCC.
 
C’mon…even Rebecca specifically stated that this is precisely what happens, when she wrote about death freeing the remaining mortal spouse to marry again.
I think if a person has me on ignore, they shouldn’t be putting words into my mouth, knowing full well they won’t see what I write in clarification.

Freakish.
 
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