LDS: Is the name "Nephi" a derivative of "Nephilim"?

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Jerusha said:
:yup: A very sneaky one. because people don’t know which side you are on. 😃 Unlike another poster who pretends to not be LDS.
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Yeah, very sneaky.
But, actually, if someone’d say: “You are RLDS”, I guess I even wouldn’t deny it.
I like them…

Esdra
 
zerinus said:
Yep, you are getting there. You will make a very fine Mormon one day! 🙂
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Yeah, people say I’d be a Catholic and you say know I’d be a good Mormon. 😉

I think it’s good if you are interested, then you really can talk about a topic.

Concerning Apologetics of the BoM, I guess I am pretty good, as I have read great parts (the most important ones, according to a RLDS readingplan of the BoM) of it.

But LDS is not only BoM and the other Holy Scriptures… So when it gets into detail, I think’d fail.
I think I’d already fail when it comes to the Pearl of Great Price (as this book is not accepted by the RLDS Church - to be accurate the Book of Abraham isn’t - and I haven’t really studied it [therefore]).

Esdra
 
A little off-topic question to the LDS here:

In the BoM and also in the D&C very often the word “yea” is to be found.

What does it mean? I think it’s not to be found in the KJV, is it?

I have thought it maybe means something like “yeah” - which is a term in youth-culture for “yes”.

Esdra
 
zerinus said:
Didn’t quite get that. What MGLechner had said was generally speaking correct.
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Yeah somehow it was. But first Lehi and his family fled into the wilderness, then his sons went back to get the plates of brass, then they again went back into the wilderness (together with Ischmael and his family) and then they built a ship and then they saild for the promised Land (America). Am I right?
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MGLechner:
So, if I understand the story correctly, the so-called “Brass Plates of Laban” were still in the Holy Land before the Jews** fled for the Americas**.
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This is correct. But at that moment, as far as I got to know that, they didn’t consider to flee for the promised Land, as God hadn’t commanded them to do so yet.

Esdra
 
Esdra said:
A little off-topic question to the LDS here:

In the BoM and also in the D&C very often the word “yea” is to be found.

What does it mean? I think it’s not to be found in the KJV, is it?

I have thought it maybe means something like “yeah” - which is a term in youth-culture for “yes”.

Esdra
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Yea is used 235 times in the KJV Bible according to this online search result; or 340 times according to my computerized scriptures installed on my computer; not sure which is more accurate. And yes, it is an archaic version of “yes,” according to this info site.
 
Esdra said:
Yeah somehow it was. But first Lehi and his family fled into the wilderness, then his sons went back to get the plates of brass, . . .
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That is correct.
. . . then they again went back into the wilderness (together with Ischmael and his family) . . .
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Not quite correct. They went back to fetch Ishmael and his family and bring them with them into the wilderness.
. . . and then they built a ship and then they saild for the promised Land (America). Am I right?
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Yes, that is right.
 
3:1 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, returned from speaking with the Lord, to the tent of my father.
3:2 And it came to pass that he spake unto me, saying: Behold I have dreamed a dream, in the which the Lord hath commanded me that thou and thy brethren shall return to Jerusalem.
3:3 For behold, Laban hath the record of the Jews, and also a genealogy of my forefathers, and they are engraven upon the plates of brass.
3:4 Wherefore the Lord hath commanded me that thou and thy brothers should go unto the house of Laban, and seek the records, and bring them down hither into the wilderness.
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7:2 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded him that I, Nephi, and my brethren, should again return unto the land of Jerusalem, and bring down Ishmael and his family into the wilderness,
7:3 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did again, with my brethren, go forth into the wilderness to go up to Jerusalem.
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😃 You are BOTH right. There were two trips. Why don’t you just quote? 2think.org/hundredsheep/bom1830/inep.shtml
 
Esdra said:
Yeah, people say I’d be a Catholic and you say know I’d be a good Mormon. 😉

I think it’s good if you are interested, then you really can talk about a topic.

Concerning Apologetics of the BoM, I guess I am pretty good, as I have read great parts (the most important ones, according to a RLDS readingplan of the BoM) of it.

But LDS is not only BoM and the other Holy Scriptures… So when it gets into detail, I think’d fail.
I think I’d already fail when it comes to the Pearl of Great Price (as this book is not accepted by the RLDS Church - to be accurate the Book of Abraham isn’t - and I haven’t really studied it [therefore]).

Esdra
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Your knowledge and experience of Mormonism seems to have been heavily influenced by RLDS. I hope you will familiarize yourself equally as much with the LDS aspect of things as well.
 
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. . . and then they built a ship and then they saild for the promised Land (America). Am I right?
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Originally Posted by zerinus
Yes, that is right.
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I thought the “Promised Land” was Israel. Did God change His mind or are there two Pronised Lands?
 
zerinus said:
Yea is used 235 times in the KJV Bible according to this online search result; or 340 times according to my computerized scriptures installed on my computer; not sure which is more accurate. And yes, it is an archaic version of “yes,” according to this info site.
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This website speaks of 320 times (56 times in the NT and the rest in the OT).

When I first read the BoM (I also have an English Version at home and I studied the English Version online sometimes) I always read yeah (and was wandering what that may mean) like youngsters often say. Until I found out that on the LDS scriptures Archive you can also let the text be read and got the real pronounciation of yea! 😉

Btw, according to Wikipedia yea doesn’t only mean “yes”, but also “so”.
 
zerinus said:
Your knowledge and experience of Mormonism seems to have been heavily influenced by RLDS. I hope you will familiarize yourself equally as much with the LDS aspect of things as well.
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I think it’s more difficult to explore LDS without actually being LDS because there are many aspects that are not contained in the Scriptures. - You could call it “tradition”.

Of course I am heavily influenced by RLDS.
In the beginning I studied the LDS Book of Mormon and the Triple Combination. I even was in contact with an LDS minister.

But later on I more and more went toward RLDS ministers and have been for quite a long time in contact with some. And also studied the RLDS D&C and the BoM (Which is except the verse and chapter numbering the same).

There are too many teachings in the LDS belief that are not Christian in my opinion. Starting from baptism to the dead to cealed marriages for eternaty to “secret services” in the Temples to reunion with the whole family in heaven (Although that’s a nice thought) to “polygamy in heaven” etc.
 
Esdra said:
Lehi and his family (and Ischmael and his daughters) were chosen of God because of their righteousness to go to the promised Land America. (1 Ne 5:79; RLDS or 1 Ne 3:147; RLDS)

The BoM states that because of the iniquities of the Jews this land was not made known to the Jews. (Don’t have verse here, sorry.)
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So there is no biblical support for this and I must accept the BoM as Scripture in order to believe it, correct?
 
Esdra said:
I think it’s more difficult to explore LDS without actually being LDS because there are many aspects that are not contained in the Scriptures. - You could call it “tradition”.

Of course I am heavily influenced by RLDS.
In the beginning I studied the LDS Book of Mormon and the Triple Combination. I even was in contact with an LDS minister.

But later on I more and more went toward RLDS ministers and have been for quite a long time in contact with some. And also studied the RLDS D&C and the BoM (Which is except the verse and chapter numbering the same).

There are too many teachings in the LDS belief that are not Christian in my opinion. Starting from baptism to the dead to cealed marriages for eternaty to “secret services” in the Temples to reunion with the whole family in heaven (Although that’s a nice thought) to “polygamy in heaven” etc.
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Have you ever studied the Catholic faith? Do you believe that Joseph Smith was a true Prophet? Just wondering why you lean toward the Mormon faith, even if it is RLDS? It all comes from the same source. What do you find attractive there that you would not find in the Catholic faith?
 
SteveVH said:
So there is no biblical support for this and I must accept the BoM as Scripture in order to believe it, correct?
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Yes. 😉

Please read the verse I finally found concerning the iniquity of the Jews above.
 
Esdra said:
Yes. 😉

Please read the verse I finally found concerning the iniquity of the Jews above.
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Its fine for understanding why LDS believe that but it holds absoluely zero credibility for me.
 
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