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[zerinus]

I know I’m jumping into this thread late, but how can anything like this statement be defensible? "The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world. The grand councilors sat at the head in yonder heavens and contemplated the creation of the worlds which were created at the time. " This is nothing more than polytheism, a return to early pagan beliefs in more than one God. All that remains is to give names to the gods they are re-inventing.

Peace,

Gail

Still the Jews gave us the Bible, nobody else did!

zerinus

 

[1holycatholic]

Still the Jews gave us the Bible, nobody else did!

zerinus

:dts:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

• Joseph Goebbels

 

[AMDGtoo]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

• Joseph Goebbels

Ah, you’ve found the reason for LDS Testimonies!

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Like it or not, the Jews gave us the Bible. Nobody else did.

zerinus

It is not a mater of if I like it or not it is a historical fact. The books that form the Old testament are from Jewish scripture the New Testament though written be men that were Jewish so to speak were never part of Jewish scripture. the complied worked that are now known as the Holy Bible was done by the Catholic Church.

Let’s be clear before the Catholic Church set the cannon of the Holy Bible there was no Bible. The Bible is not Like J Smith"s fiction that was set down a written as a Whole work.

You can sit and deny what ever you want about what Mormons truly teach and don’t teach. but you can not deny what even the Secular world history will show as fact. this is not just a belief held by Catholics it is Historical Fact. We did not get the Bible from the Jew’s we took what was know to BE the Inspired works of Jewish and Apostolic writings and complied the Holy Bible.

 

[zerinus]

It is not a mater of if I like it or not it is a historical fact. . . .

The historical fact is that the Jews gave us the Bible.

zerinus

 

[1holycatholic]

Ah, you’ve found the reason for LDS Testimonies!

Is that what they’re called?

 

[Catholic_Dude]

I know I’m jumping into this thread late, but how can anything like this statement be defensible? "The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world. The grand councilors sat at the head in yonder heavens and contemplated the creation of the worlds which were created at the time. " This is nothing more than polytheism, a return to early pagan beliefs in more than one God. All that remains is to give names to the gods they are re-inventing.

Peace,

Gail

WELCOME to the wonderful world of Mormonism (and Catholic Apologetics)!

 

[1holycatholic]

The historical fact is that the Jews gave us the Bible.

zerinus

The historical fact is that you are wrong. It’s understandable, for if you were to acknowledge the truth you could not remain a Mormon.
:coffeeread:

 

[Nordar]

The historical fact is that you are wrong. It’s understandable, for if you were to acknowledge the truth you could not remain a Mormon.
:coffeeread:

Tsk Tsk silly you he can be both

 

[zerinus]

The historical fact is that you are wrong. It’s understandable, for if you were to acknowledge the truth you could not remain a Mormon.
:coffeeread:

The historical fact is that you are wrong. It’s understandable, for if you were to acknowledge the truth you could not remain a Catholic.

zerinus

 

[GailMac]

Zerinus writes: “The historical fact is that the Jews gave us the Bible.” True and Jesus was a Jew. Is there a problem with that I’m not getting?

Peace,

Gail

 

[AirLiner]

Before the the Bible there was the Old Testament and several other books. The Catholic Church decided which of the books combined with the Old Testament would make the Bible, hence the Catholic Church gave us the Bible. If the Jews gave us the Bible then why don’t they use it?

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Before the the Bible there was the Old Testament and several other books. The Catholic Church decided which of the books combined with the Old Testament would make the Bible, hence the Catholic Church gave us the Bible. If the Jews gave us the Bible then why don’t they use it?

Zerinus, is not interested in what history is real and what is made up he is only interested in what he decides is what what LDS teach and hold true.

He refuses to see that before the Catholic Church declared what was to be contained in the cannon and what was not there was non bible.

 

[1holycatholic]

Zerinus writes: “The historical fact is that the Jews gave us the Bible.” True and Jesus was a Jew. Is there a problem with that I’m not getting?

What’s wrong with this picture?
jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/images/jesus_mural.jpg

 

[Catholic_Dude]

What’s wrong with this picture?
jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/images/jesus_mural.jpg

That is HILARIOUS! I pray it is photoshopped because that is just too Fundamentalist to believe.

 

[1holycatholic]

That is HILARIOUS! I pray it is photoshopped because that is just too Fundamentalist to believe.

It’s a building at Biola University in La Mirada, California.

Click the photo. It’s linked to an article about it on Jimmy Akin’s blog.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

It’s a building at Biola University in La Mirada, California.

Click the photo. It’s linked to an article about it on Jimmy Akin’s blog.

He either didn’t see it, or was being polite, because Akin didn’t say anything about it. It’s definitely something an Evanglical would draw.

 

[1holycatholic]

He either didn’t see it, or was being polite, because Akin didn’t say anything about it. It’s definitely something an Evanglical would draw.

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I don’t want to make this post over-long, though, so I’ll close by sharing with you a photograph I took of a mural that is painted on one of the buildings on campus. Photography never seems to capture just how impressive something like this is when you turn a corner and see it for the first time, the original is quite striking.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

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I think you misunderstood me, Akin saw it but he didn’t see it.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Zerinus writes: “The historical fact is that the Jews gave us the Bible.” True and Jesus was a Jew. Is there a problem with that I’m not getting?

Peace,

Gail

Hey Gail,

There was only an Old Testament during the life of Jesus. Jesus never wrote or had anything scribed. With that knowledge, there were two canons of the Old Testament, one in Hebrew the other in Greek. With that stated, it is true the Old Testament came from Jews.

Catholic Christians together with Protestant and Evangelical Christians hold the same canon of the New Testament, 27 books, all having been originally written in the Greek language.

Catholic Christians accept the longer Old Testament canon, 46 books, from the Greek Septuagint (LXX) translation of the Alexandrian Canon.

Protestant and Evangelical Christians, from the Reformers onward, accept the shorter Old Testament canon, 39 books, from the Hebrew Palestinian Canon. Jews have the same canon as Protestants.

The canon of the New Testament took place around 397AD. The New Testament technically was authored by “Christians” who were of a Jewish heritage. Remember, they had converted.

Melito, bishop of Sardis, an ancient city of Asia Minor (see Rev 3), c. 170 AD produced the first known Christian attempt at an Old Testament canon. His list maintains the Septuagint order of books but contains only the Old Testament protocanonicals minus the Book of Esther.

The Council of Laodicea, c. 360, produced a list of books similar to today’s canon. This was one of the Church’s earliest decisions on a canon.

Pope Damasus, 366-384, in his Decree, listed the books of today’s canon.

The Council of Rome, 382, was the forum which prompted Pope Damasus’ Decree.

Bishop Exuperius of Toulouse wrote to Pope Innocent I in 405 requesting a list of canonical books. Pope Innocent listed the present canon.

The Council of Hippo, a local north Africa council of bishops created the list of the Old and New Testament books in 393 which is the same as the Roman Catholic list today.

The Council of Carthage, a local north Africa council of bishops created the same list of canonical books in 397. This is the council which many Protestant and Evangelical Christians take as the authority for the New Testament canon of books. The Old Testament canon from the same council is identical to Roman Catholic canon today. Another Council of Carthage in 419 offered the same list of canonical books.

Since the Roman Catholic Church does not define truths unless errors abound on the matter, Roman Catholic Christians look to the Council of Florence, an ecumenical council in 1441 for the first definitive list of canonical books.

The final infallible definition of canonical books for Roman Catholic Christians came from the Council of Trent in 1556 in the face of the errors of the Reformers who rejected seven Old Testament books from the canon of scripture to that time.

I find irony in the fact that the Mormons use the canonized New Testament. It was canonized a couple hundred years after that “great” apostasy Mormons claim that happened and caused a total corruption of the Church to cause it to lose all authority.