I have no idea what you are saying. The white man and woman destroyed the indian culture long before the mormons arrived on the scene. And most of these white men and women were either protestant or catholic. And so, what is your point? Land trumped god in the west for many catholic/protestant settlers.Perhaps you should study up on Utah history.
I’ll agree that many parishes are in dire straights because of lack of funds but the solution is a bit more complicated than making everyone “fork over” to a layman (who happens to be the bishop that year.) We, instead practice charity and “sacrificial giving” (being mindful that if we need, say $10 to purchase milk for the baby, it is our obligation to take care of the baby, our family first.)
So what does that prove? I’ve also heard of studies that show that the LDS have one of the highest rates of bankruptcy as well as depression and taking anti-depressants. Three of the “blessings”?
Yes, I know–it was supposed to support the Levites (since they were the priests and weren’t portioned land like the other tribes.) Don’t you know that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant (of which tithing was a part) and we don’t need to give “tithing” to the Levites anymore? Sacrificial Giving in charity while supporting the mission of the Church seems to me more in line with what God wants from us.
I remember reading about two seperate insidence in two seperate books and I am not saying they are isolated cases where others were killed by LDS pioneers, but what I do know from what I read was that in both cases excomunication took place and the incidences were condemed by the church the same way it would happen to day.
Perhaps because I know more about hard-case Mormons than you.
In Utah, the Mormons leadership at first told the settlers to get along. But as settlers overtook the lands and resources of the Native Americans, tensions increased. Eventually, the Mormon leadership authorized the attack of Native Americans who refused to give up their resources without a fight. Mormon leadership instructed that Native Americans who resisted were rejecting Christ’s message, and so retribution was justified.
need refrence as I have not come across this in any of my reading / study , It sounds like the Mormons are like the Catholics
Read it many time over and do not see what you see ? are you sure we are reading the same book. But then again I’ve read the Bible many time and I don’t see what you see. !!!
The Catholic Church never authorize/ordered any such thing.
Not true, the more that is known, the better the judgment.
Rubbish.
I see you haven’t updated your profile, or your sig.
The King Follett sermon is Joseph Smith’s (the founder of the LDS) most explicit statement of how far the LDS are from Christianity. This is germane because some posters wrongly claim that LDS is Christian, or that they can be LDS and Christian (specifically Catholic) at the same time. They are wrong. You can’t be and not be something at the same time in the same respect. That’s a contradiction.What does all this have to do with the passing away of Mister King Follett? He was a stalwart member of the lds church and after his death, Joseph Smith gave a remarkable and reassuring sermon to his family which is now the King Follett Discourse.
And you should note that you have formally resigned from the LDS. :yup:
With this letter to you I officially notify you of my resignation from membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, effective immediately. With my resignation I voluntarily sever all my relationship to the church.
I therefore request you to make the necessary changes in the church membership records to indicate that I am no longer a member. I am familiar with the procedures as outlined in the Church Handbook of Instructions, and I request that you fill out and forward the necessary administrative forms as soon as possible.
I assure you that I do not take this step lightly. I have devoted a good deal of thought, prayer and study, over a considerable period of time, to this matter, and I am firm and unalterable in my decision to end my membership.
I am aware that according to church doctrine this cancels all blessings, baptisms, ordinations, promises, covenants, and my hope of exaltation in the Mormon celestial kingdom, and I have made my decision with that consideration well in mind.
I request that no one representing the church contact me for any reason other than to confirm that my request is being processed. In particular I will refuse to speak with anyone from the church who attempts to argue with me about the wisdom of my decision.
It is my understanding that you are required to indicate on your form my "reason for leaving." Please state the reason as "At member's request" or "Doctrinal reasons," since that is, in fact, the reason. I insist that you should not put there any reason which may be derogatory to me. I wish to assure you that I am not leaving the church because of some personal slight or insult, or because I have "sinned" or am unable to "keep the commandments." **I have simply come to the very sad realization that the church is not what it claims to be, that its doctrine is false, and that the LDS church is not where I wish to be.**
I request that my name removal request be forwarded without delay to the stake president in accordance with the Church Handbook of Instructions. I will check with you in one week if you have not already notified me by then that it has been forwarded to the stake president.
Please inform the stake president that I waive the thirty-day waiting period during which the stake president may hold the request in order to give me the opportunity to rescind. Rather, I request him to process it without delay. Please ask the stake president to notify me when he has forwarded my request to church headquarters. If I do not hear from him, I will contact him to make sure that my request is being honored without delay.
I will consider any unnecessary delay to be a violation of my rights of free association and freedom of religion as guaranteed by the U.S. Consititution.
I consider this matter to be confidential, and I insist that no church representative discuss my resignation with any persons other than those church officers who are processing my name removal or those who must be informed to carry out their church duties; that if any church official speaks of this matter outside of official channels, I will consider it a violation of confidence, a violation of church regulations (CHI p. 130), and seek legal redress.
Thank you for your courtesy in honoring my request without delay.
The King Follett Discourse was not just a private sermon at a funeral as many LDS would have us believe. It was a talk given in General Conference on Sunday, April 7, 1844. Therefore, it was not a private statement of opinion, but was presented as LDS Church doctrine by its president and prophet, Joseph Smith.
I don’t recall ever seeing any one but you claim to be both Mormon and Catholic. there may be those who have not formally had their names removed from the membership roles of the LDS, but I don’t belive they consider themselves LDS any longer