LDS Question:Lying for the Lord

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Hello all, I have a question for the LDS followers or ex mormons, kind enough to be on this forum. I was watching a TV show called Big Love. It’s a ficticous show about a Mormon family that practices polygamy. In it there was a refernce to something called Lying for the Lord. I was wondering if this was an actual practice or if that was just hollywood slander? If it is a real practice, why, and where does it say they can do that?

Peace be with you
gmcbroom
 
Hello all, I have a question for the LDS followers or ex mormons, kind enough to be on this forum. I was watching a TV show called Big Love. It’s a ficticous show about a Mormon family that practices polygamy. In it there was a refernce to something called Lying for the Lord. I was wondering if this was an actual practice or if that was just hollywood slander? If it is a real practice, why, and where does it say they can do that?

Peace be with you
gmcbroom
First I’ve heard of it. I would like to know also.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
The referrence to the lie is concerning polygamy I’m assuming?
 
Hello all, I have a question for the LDS followers or ex mormons, kind enough to be on this forum. I was watching a TV show called Big Love. It’s a ficticous show about a Mormon family that practices polygamy. In it there was a refernce to something called Lying for the Lord. I was wondering if this was an actual practice or if that was just hollywood slander? If it is a real practice, why, and where does it say they can do that?

Peace be with you
gmcbroom
A google search brings up several interesting bit of info.
In short Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways.
 
Hello all, I have a question for the LDS followers…
Peace be with you
gmcbroom
GMCBroom,

Big Love is not about Mormons, at all, and obviously your assumption that Hollywood delights in sensationalism is correct–that is what sells, and that is their aim: to sell.

Here is a link to an authoritative talk about the answer to your question, and it covers the entire scope of your question:

lds-mormon.com/oakslying.shtml

Peace to you also. Enjoy your day.
 
GMCBroom,

Big Love is not about Mormons, at all, and obviously your assumption that Hollywood delights in sensationalism is correct–that is what sells, and that is their aim: to sell.

Here is a link to an authoritative talk about the answer to your question, and it covers the entire scope of your question:

lds-mormon.com/oakslying.shtml

Peace to you also. Enjoy your day.
Interesting.

I suppose knowingly withholding important information about your beliefs is not considered the same as lying and is therefore permissible?
 
Interesting.

I suppose knowingly withholding important information about your beliefs is not considered the same as lying and is therefore permissible?
I take it you actually read that link.
 
Interesting.

I suppose knowingly withholding important information about your beliefs is not considered the same as lying and is therefore permissible?
Since the Savior withheld information and Paul did also and John did also, I hope you don’t consider that they were doing what your question has suggested.
 
Since the Savior withheld information and Paul did also and John did also, I hope you don’t consider that they were doing what your question has suggested.
So, the LDS do belief it’s OK to knowingly withhold important information about their beliefs?
 
So, the LDS do believe it’s OK to knowingly withhold important information about their beliefs?
Campeador,

Speaking for myself, yes.

Anytime I write something on this forum, I am going to be withholding important (to me) information about my beliefs, or in other words, I don’t say all that I know because it is not going to be important to others (who read this forum) and would do them not one bit of good other than give them reason to go off grumbling.

I think the Savior taught an important principle when He taught in parables. Parables allowed the listener to have it go “over their head” if they were only ready for partial knowledge (or no knowledge) about what He was teaching.

God gives mankind knowledge at the level they are ready to receive it.
 
Hello all, I have a question for the LDS followers or ex mormons, kind enough to be on this forum. I was watching a TV show called Big Love. It’s a ficticous show about a Mormon family that practices polygamy. In it there was a refernce to something called Lying for the Lord. I was wondering if this was an actual practice or if that was just hollywood slander? If it is a real practice, why, and where does it say they can do that?

Peace be with you
gmcbroom
Yes, it is a common practice,
Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith’s denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by “anti-Mormons” and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley’s dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine, Mormonism’s history seems replete with examples of lying. Common members see such examples as situations where lying is justified. For the Mormon, loyalty and the welfare of the church are more important than the principle of honesty, and plausible denials and deception by omission are warranted by an opportunity to have the Mormon organization seen in the best possible light. This is part of the larger package of things that lead many to describe Mormonism as a cult. “Lying for the lord” is part of Mormonism’s larger deceptive mainstreaming tactics, and conversion numbers would drastically lower if important Mormon beliefs were fully disclosed to investigators.
mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord
 
newnewsnet.byu.edu/flv/overcomingobjections.html

Robert Millet on “how to handle anti-mormon criticism” (Flash Video) - Millet speaks about how to handle the tough anti-Mormon questions missionaries may face while on their missions or afterward. “We never provide meat when milk will do.” “We seek to answer any serious question by finding the most direct route to the Sacred Grove.” **“Don’t answer the question they ask, answer the question they should have asked.” **
 
Campeador,

Speaking for myself, yes.

Anytime I write something on this forum, I am going to be withholding important information about my beliefs, or in other words, I don’t say all that I know because it is over most everyone’s head (who read this forum) and would do them not one bit of good other than give them reason to go off grumbling.

I think the Savior taught an important principle when He taught in parables. Parables allowed the listener to have it go “over their head” if they were only ready for partial knowledge (or no knowledge) about what He was teaching.

God gives mankind knowledge at the level they are ready to receive it.
Ummmm. So Mormons withhold knowledge until “I am ready to receive it”? And if I had this knowledge, I would “go off grumbling?”:rotfl:

Missionaries are trained not to talk about certain subjects to avoid shocking people – to ‘give them milk before meat.’

Mormons want to distance themselves from polygamy, but the LDS Church is the source of polygamy in the USA and Mexico. The requirement is written into the Doctrine and Covenants, one of their “scriptures.” They just put it on hold until they are in charge and can change the laws; it is now practiced in the Mormon “heaven” – by Mormon men who have become gods and their goddess wives (plural) – and by Mormons on earth who insist on following the original teachings of their extremely polygamous founder, Joseph Smith.

Jim Dandy
 
newnewsnet.byu.edu/flv/overcomingobjections.html

Robert Millet on “how to handle anti-mormon criticism” (Flash Video) - Millet speaks about how to handle the tough anti-Mormon questions missionaries may face while on their missions or afterward. “We never provide meat when milk will do.” “We seek to answer any serious question by finding the most direct route to the Sacred Grove.” **“Don’t answer the question they ask, answer the question they should have asked.” **
It seems that justifying ‘lying for the Lord’ requires a certain amount of arrogance and that guy has a lot. Of course I have heard Mormons comparing themselves to God which is pretty high on the arrogant scale, also.
 
Hello all, I have a question for the LDS followers or ex mormons, kind enough to be on this forum. I was watching a TV show called Big Love. It’s a ficticous show about a Mormon family that practices polygamy. In it there was a refernce to something called Lying for the Lord. I was wondering if this was an actual practice or if that was just hollywood slander? If it is a real practice, why, and where does it say they can do that?

Peace be with you
gmcbroom
It is an interesting question. From my study of Mormonism there is nothing that resembles this teaching or practice of “lying for the Lord” in the LDS Church. In addition, the program you are talking about is about Fundamentalist Mormons, which as nothing to do with the Mormon Church. It is a small sect of some 15,000 members of which most are polygamists.

As I have read some of the comments here and getting sick of the lowly type of disparaging remarks that only a rabid anti-Mormon would say, I felt it necessary to add a few comments. First, I reject this type of pathetic accusations just as I do the same caliber of anti-Catholic statements by those who are also called Christians. “Christians” can be some of the rankest of people regardless of the lip service they provide to following the Savior. Wolves in sheeps clothing will be everywhere; even in the body of Christ.

Mormons do not talk about those things they hold most sacred. They don’t talk about their temples, but it is laughable to accuse them of keeping these things secret because anyone can google Mormon temples and find everything that is said in their temples. If temples are supposed to be secret, someone is doing a really lousy job of keeping it so.

There is a difference between lying and keeping things sacred. A question, what did the Lord mean when he counseled us not to throw our pearls before swine? Do you feel comfortable telling strangers about your inner-most feelings? Of course not! It is no surprise that Mormons feel just like Catholics and everyone else.

Context is vital to comprehension. Millet’s context was about doing missionary work. It appears that few of the participants know about such things, but when trying to teach, “teachers” guide the topic and the conversation. It is not dishonest or insincere, but it is an effective teaching method. Trying to make this sound heinous is itself dishonest.

As a Catholic website we should be the exemplary in our manner of speech and in how we discuss other religions. How I dislike anti-Catholics and the manner in which they twist the truth about the Church. I have the exact same disdain when supposed members of our Church do the same thing about others. It is not Christian, it is not Christ-like, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.
 
So to “feed one milk instead of meat” is in regards to the knowledge of polygamy?

Facinating how the Apostle Pauls words become twisted here.
 
Campeador,

Speaking for myself, yes.

Anytime I write something on this forum, I am going to be withholding important (to me) information about my beliefs, or in other words, I don’t say all that I know because it is not going to be important to others (who read this forum) and would do them not one bit of good other than give them reason to go off grumbling.

I think the Savior taught an important principle when He taught in parables. Parables allowed the listener to have it go “over their head” if they were only ready for partial knowledge (or no knowledge) about what He was teaching.

God gives mankind knowledge at the level they are ready to receive it.
Parker,

Anytime I write something on this forum, I never withhold important information about my beliefs, or in other words, I say all that I know because it might be important to others and might do them a bit of good and give them reason to go off understanding.

I think Our Savior taught in parables “because ‘they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand.’” (Matt13:13) But he gave us the Church and the Holy Spirit so that we may fully understand everything that he taught.

As God commands us, “Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.’ Anything more is from the evil one.” (Matt 5:37)
 
Context is vital to comprehension. Millet’s context was about doing missionary work. It appears that few of the participants know about such things, but when trying to teach, “teachers” guide the topic and the conversation. It is not dishonest or insincere, but it is an effective teaching method. Trying to make this sound heinous is itself dishonest.
Having spent three years in education: the thought that a student was too stupid to have his question answered never crossed my mind.
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