LDS: The living prophet more vital than the Bible?

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ParkerD said:
, so I have taken the opportunity as it presented itself to help some few draw closer to Christ, through encouraging their drawing closer to Him and closer to repenting and forgiving within the context of their own free will choices in life.
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If you want to help others grow closer to Christ then accept the truth about Him and His Church and start doing so. You would be good at it. You would have to adopt a very different approach, one of true freedom sprinkled with humility and surrender. Deep down you have to understand what I am suggesting. The closest you can draw to Jesus is found in the Catholic Mass after a true and sincere confession. Receiving His body and Blood is what transforms you, what draws you closer to Him in such an intimate way. Taking the Catholic journey is authentic Christianity and with an open heart it cannot be argued nor denied. You have spent a thousand hours here and you do not know this Parker?
How many hours have you spent navigating the other parts of this website? Navigating the Catechism with all the cross references to the Holy Scriptures? How small do you think your cross is Parker? How big do you think it is? True freedom is found in the Cross of Christ. You just want to need Him bad enough to pick it up. We all have free will choice. You know….
God Bless
This is my Church Parker. (link) Look who is front and center in it
utahmission.com/pages/Mass_Explained.html
 
lax16 said:
It doesn’t matter what it was about.

Please give an example when the pope ever said anything not supported by scripture…
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Lax16,

Here is a link to one example. There would be dozens of examples from throughout the centuries.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070801_risposte-usa_en.html

Someone could say that is not “in the Bible”. It answers questions by very real people about very real concerns, and by giving an answer the pope is acting just as though it is “revelation” or he would not act authoritative with the answer–he would present an opinion.
 
ParkerD said:
The pope challenges the status quo presented by governments, often in writings I have seen. Just because he doesn’t call it “revelation” doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe he is being “authoritative” and someone who should be believed, even if he doesn’t write straight from the Bible on a topic.

It is the same kind of case, just that the word “revelation” isn’t in there but the meaning is completely similar–to mean “believe what I am writing–it is important and should be followed”, especially when viewed within the context of his believing he has keys from God.
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Revelation: God’s disclosure of his own nature and his purpose for mankind, especially through the words of human intermediaries.
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Direction: guidance or supervision of conduct
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Do Mormon prophets have ‘revelation’ or ‘direction?’
 
ParkerD said:
Lax16,

Here is a link to one example. There would be dozens of examples from throughout the centuries.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070801_risposte-usa_en.html

Someone could say that is not “in the Bible”. It answers questions by very real people about very real concerns, and by giving an answer the pope is acting just as though it is “revelation” or he would not act authoritative with the answer–he would present an opinion.
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Parker - Happy 4th!

First of all, this conversation is not about whether something is or isn’t in the Bible. This is about revelation that is not in accordance with scipture, including your own.

That being said, here is a response to the link you provided about the Catholic Church’s stance on end of life care:
Catholic Teaching on Extraordinary Means

The natural law and the Fifth Commandment1 requires that all ordinary means be used to preserve life, such as food, water, exercise, and medical care. Since the middle ages, however, Catholic theologians have recognized that human beings are not morally obligated to undergo every possible medical treatment to save their lives. Treatments that are unduly burdensome or sorrowful to a particular patient, such as amputation, or beyond the economic means of the person, or which only prolong the suffering of a dying person, are morally extraordinary, meaning they are not morally obligatory in a particular case. Medical means may be medically ordinary, but yet morally extraordinary.
 
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lax16 said:
Parker - Happy 4th!

First of all, this conversation is not about whether something is or isn’t in the Bible. This is about revelation that is not in accordance with scipture, including your own.

That being said, here is a response to the link you provided about the Catholic Church’s stance on end of life care:
Catholic Teaching on Extraordinary Means

The natural law and the Fifth Commandment1 requires that all ordinary means be used to preserve life, such as food, water, exercise, and medical care. Since the middle ages, however, Catholic theologians have recognized that human beings are not morally obligated to undergo every possible medical treatment to save their lives. Treatments that are unduly burdensome or sorrowful to a particular patient, such as amputation, or beyond the economic means of the person, or which only prolong the suffering of a dying person, are morally extraordinary, meaning they are not morally obligatory in a particular case. Medical means may be medically ordinary, but yet morally extraordinary.
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lax16 said:
Parker - Happy 4th!

First of all, this conversation is not about whether something is or isn’t in the Bible. This is about revelation that is not in accordance with scipture, including your own.

That being said, here is a response to the link you provided about the Catholic Church’s stance on end of life care:
Catholic Teaching on Extraordinary Means

The natural law and the Fifth Commandment1 requires that all ordinary means be used to preserve life, such as food, water, exercise, and medical care. Since the middle ages, however, Catholic theologians have recognized that human beings are not morally obligated to undergo every possible medical treatment to save their lives. Treatments that are unduly burdensome or sorrowful to a particular patient, such as amputation, or beyond the economic means of the person, or which only prolong the suffering of a dying person, are morally extraordinary, meaning they are not morally obligatory in a particular case. Medical means may be medically ordinary, but yet morally extraordinary.
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Lax16,

Thanks for the wish, and happy Fourth of July to you and your family also. We are enjoying ours greatly, starting this morning with a daughter in a local parade (drummer in the school marching band). 👍

The point I had tried to make is that the words “in accordance with scripture” you made into a meaning that wasn’t there in the context of the quote.

As Stephen asked to the effect of a difference between “revelation” and “instruction”, you evidently make a large distinction, but I don’t from the standpoint of a leader such as the pope or a “prophet”. Both would declare that they have prayed about their topic, and seek to be followed because they have prayed about it and believe what they are saying is true.

That link discussed a subject that is “not in the Bible”. It would be a similar context if a person reading that were to say “that is not in accordance with what I have read in the Bible”, if they meant that the subject is not covered in the Bible.

You wrote, “it doesn’t matter” when I presented the detail topic that was being discussed when Wilford Woodruff was present in a meeting. So if that is the claim–that “it doesn’t matter, so long as it is not in the Bible” because if it is not in the Bible it is “not in accordance with scripture”–then that link shows the same situation with a different topic but this time it was the pope talking about a topic not in the Bible.
 
Revelation: God’s disclosure of his own nature and his purpose for mankind, especially through the words of human intermediaries.
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Direction: guidance or supervision of conduct
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Stephen168 said:
Not as defined. Direction could be a subset of revelation, but not vis versa. When you say both that could only be direction. It seems you and ParkerD are saying your prophet only gives direction.
ParkerD;8072274:
As Stephen asked to the effect of a difference between “revelation” and “instruction”, you evidently make a large distinction, but I don’t from the standpoint of a leader such as the pope or a “prophet”. Both would declare that they have prayed about their topic, and seek to be followed because they have prayed about it and believe what they are saying is true.
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There is no continuing revelation in Mormonism, as there never has been.
 
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