Actually, the crimes ARE facts. That is my point. Mormons ignoring them does not change that.
Fine, fine… I have no reason
not to believe your facts, just like I have no reason to disbelieve the evidences mounting against a Jewish Exodus from Egypt, the notion of original Christianity, and the need for a God to create anything at all in this absurd Universe. I bet you could point to a corpus of apologia that gives a million great reasons why I’m wrong about those things, just like I could point to a volume of apologia that gives reasons why your facts on Mormonism are just plain silly or irrelevant. We’ll call each others’ evidence “ignoring the facts,” shall we?
The crimes are not supposed. Read some history. And the worship DOES revolve around Joseph.
You’re not the first to tell Mormons what they worship. It’s called building a straw man. See, it’s way easier to burn down Mormons who worship Joseph Smith than ones who worship Jesus.
And if nobody believes in Ted Bundy, the killer, is Bundy less of a killer?
Ted Bundy is dead and gone and now only exists in the imagination of people who might choose to believe something about him. I believe Ted Bundy was a murderer because I have no reason to deny someone’s evidence on the matter. I have, from long tradition, learned to give Joseph Smith a little more benefit of the doubt when it comes to historical claims, even though I realize there’s little chance that he was what he claimed to be. The point of this thread is what Mormons believe and how they worship, not the facts of their past history which are so easily mangled by the artifices of men. Trust me, we barely remember our own history aright before we’ve finished living it.
Exactly. It is the burying the head in the sand that I am talking about
Yes, it’s a reflex some call “religion.” It’s what keeps us happy in the midst of this dark abyss where nothing really matters.
I suspect you may suffer from it as well, but are less inclined to admit it.
Why does what bother me? That there was a con man who became a false prophet and he has led many, many people to a false church?
Oh well, by those standards, Mohammed did worse, as did all those nonsense con men who thought Jesus was divine and gave rise to all the false churches of Christianity; and don’t even get me started on those imposters of the Vedic tradition who can’t even seem to understand that someone has to be right and someone else wrong. One of my Jewish friends assures me that at least
his people are recovering from all this nonsense and likes to point out the fact that most of them are now atheist.
Oh, now look what you’ve gone and made me say! Typically I’m quite happy when folks believe in their Allahs and Jesuses and Vishnus. And empty Nirvanas. But the world is MUCH better for Catholicism, you know, and for Mormonism and all the rest of them. I love to join with the believers with my own hopes and dreams from time to time. It’s a pity that we have this talk of false churches.
I do not demand anything. If you choose to ignore the fact that he was a conman, thief, adulterer, etc. that is your choice. My goal on this CATHOLIC site is make sure anyone who reads about Mormons read the truth.
Yeah, I know Mormons who have that same type of goal on Mormon sites. Only somehow their truth looks different than yours, and they’d like if you’d read history and stop ignoring stuff too. Ah, the arguments of men. We get convinced and will not bend. Such certainty.
Where, in the loving God scenario, do the blood oaths come in?
Nowhere. Mormons don’t have that anymore. I’m tellin’ ya. It’s not a part of Mormon worship these days. Oh we had it in the past? I don’t care. I don’t do the blood oath thing. Never did.
No argument there. But doing good means little when you are following a false prophet and worship a fake god.
Actually, I think it means more if folks still manage to do good in spite of their false prophets and fake gods. Even more remarkable when they somehow manage it with none at all.
I know. I have seen reports on Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Alas, my murderous forebears. Massacres and strong, unbending belief seem to have a curious affinity, do they not?
You can’t compare the two, no matter how badly you need to
That’s what Mormons think too, otherwise, like me, they may begin to wonder whether or not their faith ought to be truly privileged above the faith of another. The first rule of True Belief is to never, ever admit that someone else’s belief and conviction is comparable to your own. It all falls apart from there. So, I’ll leave you with it and return your blessing and well wishes.
