Leaked cables: Obama admin called Catholic Church source of spreading “homophobia” in Poland

[AntalKalnoky]

Pres G W Bush did not run against Obama.
Discussing Bush now is a ploy of the socialist Democrats, so that people will not hold Obama responsible for his actions.
And so that people will not pay attention to what is happening now.
This is directly out of the George Soros play book. Soros is ramping up his funded "Move-on.org, Center for American Progress, free press, Media matters, etc.
Bush is no longer is factor in today’s bad situtation created by Obama.
(He was still much more moral than Obama.)

We are now in 3 (not 2) wars. But the liberal media refuses to discuss this, including that more Americans have been killed in Afganistan than prior to the Obama Administration.

Obama wants to cut services to the elderly, stopped giving them the cost of living for the first time, yet does not do anything to cut waste or fraud in his own administration - which needs to be done.
He is paying for more czars and their staffs than any other President.

The USA is now 35% higher in debt than when Obama took office.
Debt is now over $14.7 TRILLION dollars.

Let’s talk about **subsidizing the RICH - Obama **used taxpayer dollars to give million dollar raises to executives of failed companies.
He used taxpayer dollars for - ACORN, AIG, Stanley Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Wells Fargo, Citi-Group, US Bankcorp, GMAC, Captial One, BankAmerica, American Express, Sun Trust, Fifth Third, Commerica, Country-wide, JP Morgan Chase, GM, Chrysler, and Cash for Clunkers.
Legitimate business should stand on its own, and go bankrupt if necessary to allow them to reorganize.

He is trying to force Obamacare down the throats of all Amercians. And he has exempted over 200 huge (corporate) Unions and Corporations from Obamacare. Putting the burden of healthcare for all Americans on small businesses.
(Yes, today most US unions are big multi-million dollar businesses - they are big Corporations. The rank and file get no say - which politicians get their hard earned dues.)

We must pay attention to those in polticial office now, and hold each polticians accountable for their own actions and votes.
Don’t be distracted by those who can not defend the actions of current politicians.

Again, getting back to the original post - Obama is responsbile for his own appointees (as are all Presidents).
If Obama disagrees he can have them removed.
In addition the author of the email should be investigated for HATE crimes and discrimination.

Anne, None of these are/were Initiated by Obama. ALL Were created by, Now Enforced by the Tea Party/New GOP BIGG Money Only Agenda Control, Including Media. The Media is not Liberal; it is Owned, Controlled by Biggest Money. Heard what Murdoch was Proven to have done in GB? His Minions/family even Bought Off the Scotland Yard Chief, Etc., etc. :hey_bud: It’s not All Politiscians, Ann. It is The Politiscians, PARTIES Who Created All the Problems: The 1980’s and 2001-2009 Radical Economics/Agenda New ‘free-market’ GOP, now More Radical Policies Tea Party. :hey_bud:

Our Lord, His Church have taught for 2,000 years to Condem/Convert Satanic Evil, Selfishness, to Live God’s Way, And Social Responsibility: for Neediest, including Education, Etc., Etc. :hey_bud::tiphat: imo, we have Resonsibility Not to Promote False Hatreds, Defamations of a weak President, and Not Blame Him as the Problems he Very weakly Tried to corect, aggainst 100% New GOP/Tea Party Enrich the Richest, Falsev Wars FOCUS, Ann. /] Ann, don’t we have the Responsibilty to never be Used to spread False Hatreds, False Blames, Defamation of a President, Anymore.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Much of which was set up for him by 12 years of Reagan-Bush policies.

Please name One, Woolsey. Am Not talking of Richest, most Protable 4%, Know who Now has Middle Class Wealth? The Richest 5%. Know Middle Class net Worth, Income, Market Worth are WAY Down, Because of Those “Free Marketers”?

Simply because she had problems does not let him off the hook.

What problems was she born with? What did the Pedophelia Cause? ALL her problems. Like Post Combat, almost always, sometimes or More Often: ESPECIALLY Viet Name, twice as bad Post Iraq etc. I know Veterans of All.

You’re welcome.

Thanks for Serving Sir.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Oh, come on now. No real Catholic can vote for Ron Paul. He’s opposed to all those Nationalized People Services. He wants to starve babies, women, cripples, gays, and minorities, obviously. I mean, he’s even wearing the (R) next to his name to prove it!

/ Sarcasm

• Marty Lund

:tiphat: And drop taxes so we can Subsidize the Richest More with IOU’s from China; Etc., Etc. Even Mexico has begun National Healthcare for Pregnant Women, to reduce their massive Infant Death Rate. Their Conservative President also hopes to work for Universal Higher Education, to Solve their Poverty Problems. Those Are the Catholic Church Social Concerns Solutions GOP/Tea Party/Ron Paul against All Catholic Social concerns, Again USING the ‘pro-life’ vote catcher SPIN. We are Not Supposed to Vote One-Issue: USCCB.

 

[mlund]

:tiphat: And drop taxes so we can Subsidize the Richest More with IOU’s from China; Etc., Etc.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of “subsidize” in the dictionary. I’ll give you a hint - refraining from taking property from someone by threat of force is not a subsidy.

Even Mexico has begun National Healthcare for Pregnant Women, to reduce their massive Infant Death Rate.

Um, yeah, because the National Government in Mexico is a shining example of how ceding vital liberties to Central Statist Monopoly in exchange for “benefits” creates a Utopia rather than an unchecked Kleptocracy that’s primary export is human misery …

We are Not Supposed to Vote One-Issue: USCCB.

No. We as Catholics were are morally instructed to never put matters of Prudential Judgment (like the “when,” “where,” and “how much” of social welfare spending or immigration levels) ahead of our opposition to Intrinsic Evil (like abortion, slavery, or the debasement of marriage). There is room for disagreement and debate on the former within the body of the Church, but never the latter.

Oh, and rank partisanship and communist agitprop are right out.

• Marty Lund

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Perhaps you should look up the definition of “subsidize” in the dictionary. I’ll give you a hint - refraining from taking property from someone by threat of force is not a subsidy.

[SIGN]*(1) Please name One Example, or type, of “taking property from someone by threat of force”. Taxes? Proprty? “Liberty”? (2) What is Your defibnition of “Sunsidy”? Any payment to Poor, to Education, for subsidized housing? My Use is $50 Million Annually Tax Subsdy, and Zero Tax Payments by the Record Biggest Profit in World History Exxon-Mobil, Nor by GE. Chaney set up Subsidizing The Richest like that. Why No Taxes in the USA? Who do we have to Borrow from China the Taxes They don’t pay, and the $50 Million we pay Them? *[/SIGN]
Um, yeah, because the National Government in Mexico is a shining example of how ceding vital liberties to Central Statist Monopoly in exchange for “benefits” creates a Utopia rather than an unchecked Kleptocracy that’s primary export is human misery …

• (3) What Vital Liberties have been “Ceded” to Mexico by Mexicans, please? (4) What’s your Central Statist Monopoly? The Mexican Government, or what? (5) Know the Mexican Government was not Exporting Mexican Labor? Know (6) Our Businesses were Advertising for Mexican cheap Labor we virtuially enslaved with Barest Pay? (7) Who do you identify as your unchecked Kleptocracy?

No. We as Catholics were are morally instructed to never put matters of Prudential Judgment (like the “when,” “where,” and “how much” of social welfare spending or immigration levels) ahead of our opposition to Intrinsic Evil (like abortion, slavery, or the debasement of marriage). There is room for disagreement and debate on the former within the body of the Church, but never the latter.
[SIGN]I]No, Mlund. (8) Social Concerns Like Education, Health, Welfare, Pay, Jobs, Food Are our Intrinsic Centerpiece Responsibilities: of Christ/The Church, not matters of prudential judgement. Including. Proper “Welfare” is not remotelly “Social” judgemental Extra, and depends on Definition and Qualifications For welfare. Used to be Poorest Actually; Precise Opposite of Most Profitable in the World Tea Part Refused to even carry out their Constitutional Responsibility to protect/preserve Massive Zero-Taxed Profits/$50 Million/year Federal welfare on Top. [/SIGN] (

• 1. Intrinsic Evils Are False Wars, Torture, Economic Destruction of USA Jobs and Finaces: Reagan/GWBush, as well as Abortions, and, Mlund, I suggest Massive Infant Death rate in the USA also, Etc., Etc.

Oh, and rank partisanship and communist agitprop are right out.

[SIGN]* * Wasn’t/Isn’t The Only Rank, extreme Pasrtisanship by the Tea Party/New GOP to Defeat Obama unconstitutionally By Not Approving Anything he submits? Nothing? * [/SIGN]

• Marty Lund

My major Immediate Reply to you, Marty was caused by Major Crash. My Reply would have been Immediate. Am a True Fiscal Conservative like Pres’s Carter, Clinton. And Appropriate Catholic Social Concern/Policy. Vivat Jesu, Antal Kalnoky

 

[wisdomseeker]

I don’t know why this discuss still going on. I guess people just want to argue. Once Catholics become obedient to the techings of the Church, everything else will follow.