leaked missals

[dymphna57]

As someone looking forward to the promised new missal next year, I was upset to read about some of the mangling that has gone on since we last viewed the new revisions. I am not sure what to do about this.I come here to open discussion and to listen to wiser perspectives.

insidecatholic.com/feature/the-mystery-of-the-leaked-missal.html

and also
praytellblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/A-Funny-Thing-Happened-Xavier-Rindfleisch2.pdf

I will dedicate prayer for the intention that we will have a missal that is worthy of the Mass.

Thank you for your comments and insights in advance

Thank you in advance.

 

[Cat_Herder]

Considering Pope Benedict’s accomplished history as a theologian, I do not think you have to worry about an inferior translation getting through.

We have no idea whether the leaked translation is legitimate or not. Even if it is, we have no idea as to who leaked it; it could have been a dissident member of the translation committee and hence the leaked missal would not represent the work of the committee. That strikes me as the most likely possibility.

 

[laszlo]

Here is the set of leaked documents

wikispooks.com/wiki/Category:Roman_Catholic_Church

taken from Fr Z-s blog

wdtprs.com/blog/2010/11/the-new-roman-missal-leaked-online-for-your-perusal/

It seems to me, that the documents are an attempt to divert the process either from the left or from the right

 

[japhy]

As someone looking forward to the promised new missal next year, I was upset to read about some of the mangling that has gone on since we last viewed the new revisions.

There have been some rather unfortunate developments, yes. The 2010 translations we’ve seen are of less quality than the 2008 text.

I would think the news of this leak (and the leaked contents themselves) has reached the bishops. They need to take a stand on this matter.

I will dedicate prayer for the intention that we will have a missal that is worthy of the Mass.

An excellent idea.

Considering Pope Benedict’s accomplished history as a theologian, I do not think you have to worry about an inferior translation getting through.

I don’t know what his theological prowess has to do with this. He’s not the one translating it, and it’s quite likely he hasn’t kept tabs on the process. He was probably shown a text in a ceremonial manner… he hasn’t necessarily read the whole thing.

If the leaked missal is fake, it means someone spent a good deal of time writing up a complete fake missal. That’s a lot of effort. And it would be simply debunked by the real missal being made public… which hasn’t happened yet, if the leaked one isn’t real.

It seems to me, that the documents are an attempt to divert the process either from the left or from the right

That leaves the “middle”… and I don’t think the “middle” is generally in favor of bad translations.

 

[laszlo]

The problem with leak is that everything is without names or sources. Such thing is always suspicious.

The children of the light are walking in the light of the truth without secrets, confusion or second thoughts.

 

[m134e5]

If the leaked missal is fake, it means someone spent a good deal of time writing up a complete fake missal. That’s a lot of effort.

Even though writing a complete fake missal would take a lot of effort, I imagine some with way too much time on their hands really would write one just to see what kind of reaction they’d get.

Improvements are happening slower in some places than in others, but the bishops and priests who have been ordained in recent years have generally been more faithful. Things are improving in the Church.

 

[peregrinus_sg]

Over at Jerry’s blog, someone leaked the 1998 “Roman” Missal also for the Post Communion prayer for the First Sunday of Advent. There was some interesting thing.

The 1998 “Roman” Missal (supposedy):

Lord, you have **renewed **us with the heavenly bread that enlivens our faith, **inspires **our hope, and strengthens our charity. Teach us to hunger for Christ, the true and living bread, and to live by every word that proceeds from your mouth.

The 2008 version (supposedly):

Refreshed with the Bread of heaven,
by which faith is nourished, hope raised up,
and charity strengthened,
we pray, O Lord,
that we may learn to hunger for him
who is the true and living Bread
and have strength to live by every word
that comes from your mouth.
Through Christ our Lord.

The 2010 version (supposedly):

**Renewed **now with heavenly bread
that nourishes faith, **inspires **hope,
and deepens charity,
we pray, O Lord,
that we may learn to hunger for **Christ,
the true and living Bread **
and strive to live by every word
which comes to us from your mouth.
Through Christ our Lord.

The changes made that were similar to the 1998 version are bolded. Notice also that the 2nd and 3rd lines are now put in active voice (similar to the 1998 version). I wonder if this is just coincidence or is there a pattern in some/many of the other changes?

The leaked version isn’t perfect, but neither does it look disastrous in my lowly opinion. Sadly, some (not all) of the folks at PrayTell are using this as an opportunity to generate hysteria for their own agenda - to resuscitate a failed experiment in liturgical worship and promote disobedience to the legitimate authority of the Church. It would take a lot of wisdom to separate the wheat from the darnel, among the things in the comboxes, and a firm, adult faith in God and his Church in order not to be scandalised by some of the comments there. Oddly enough, although the name of the blog is called PrayTell, they don’t seem to do much to encourage praying, unless the title meant “Pray, tell” (as in “please, gossip”).