Learn the ahadith to better understand Islam

[Silouan]

During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions, the Mushaf was not yet even compiled into a book form and so, should it come as any surprise then that the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions did not recite from one in the masjid?

Actually the Quran was in written form during the time of Muhammad and his companions, and the written form was never used for acts of worship, reciting form it in the Masjid nor in Prayer, like you and many Muslims do today.

Likewise, there was really no need at all for the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions to have given a Friday khutbah in a language other than Arabic because it was the only language that both they and virtually all of the early Muslims in Arabia were exceedingly proficient in.

Actually the companions of Muhammad, spread Islam all across the globe and never once gave khutbah in other than Arabic, not in Egypt, Syria, Persia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Morroco etc, and these weren’t Arabic speaking countries back than, and not one of them gave the khutbah in other than Arabic.

This is why the Hanafi scholars in India refuse to give khutbah in other than Arabic, because it is a Bidah, it was not practiced by the Salafus Saleh, in non-Arabic speaking countries.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 8

Abdullah bin Omar narrated that the messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said:

"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and until they perform the prayers and pay the zakat, and if they do so they will have gained protection from me for their lives and property, unless [they do acts that are punishable] in accordance with Islam, and their reckoning will be with Allah the Almighty."

[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Islam is the only true religion. It is the truth; it is the path of Allah. One of the divine Laws since the earth was created: evil has always been fighting against truth. Jihad is to establish and maintain justice and truth.

Jihad is not confined to only fighting. It has many other unpracticed or weakly practiced forms: da’wah, disseminating knowledge and educating others, maximizing the good and minimizing the evil, reconciling clashes and conflicts between Muslims, striving for the betterment of community are all forms of jihad.

 

[R_not]

In honour of the holy month of Ramadan which begins in a few days time, this thread is meant to present a brief but yet fairly comprehensive collection of the ahadith which should provide the reader with a very much better understanding of Islam.

It is taken from the book of the Islamic scholar Yahta bin Sharaful-Deen An-Nawawi (rahimhuAllaah) and this book is now known as “An-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths”.

It is a popular small book in which the author gathered forty two of the sayings of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and it is widely considered to be essential reading for anyone who seriously wishes to study the fundamental teachings of Islam.

Just like an apple a day keeps the doctor away, learning a hadith a day throughout this coming month of Ramadan will, God-wiiling, significantly improve one’s spiritual wellness.

On the authority of Omar bin Al-Khattab, who said : I heared the messenger of Allah say :

"Actions are but by intention and every man shall have but that which he intended. Thus he whose migration was for Allah and His messenger, his migration was for Allah and His messenger, and he whose migration was to achieve some worldly benefit or to take some woman in marriage, his migration was for that for which he migrated."

related by Bukhari and Muslim

But, I have heard muslims on these threads that say the hadiths are hogwash. How come you put so much stock in them and the others do not?

I figure it is because they prove how violent islam is and I have only run up against muslims either denying or ignoring the violence and not wanting to answer to it, but please tell me what your spin on them?

 

[hamba2han]

But, I have heard muslims on these threads that say the hadiths are hogwash. How come you put so much stock in them and the others do not?

I figure it is because they prove how violent islam is and I have only run up against muslims either denying or ignoring the violence and not wanting to answer to it, but please tell me what your spin on them?

The following is the “spin” of mainstream Islam:

In Islam, the Arabic word sunnah has come to denote the way Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Messenger of Allah, lived his life. The Sunnah is the second source of Islamic jurisprudence, the first being the Qur’an. Both sources are indispensable; one cannot practice Islam without consulting both of them. The Arabic word hadith (pl. ahadith) is very similar to Sunnah, but not identical. A hadith is a narration about the life of the Prophet (pbuh) or what he approved - as opposed to his life itself, which is the Sunnah as already mentioned.

To learn more, you can refer to this website.

 

[R_not]

The following is the “spin” of mainstream Islam:

In Islam, the Arabic word sunnah has come to denote the way Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Messenger of Allah, lived his life. The Sunnah is the second source of Islamic jurisprudence, the first being the Qur’an. Both sources are indispensable; one cannot practice Islam without consulting both of them. The Arabic word hadith (pl. ahadith) is very similar to Sunnah, but not identical. A hadith is a narration about the life of the Prophet (pbuh) or what he approved - as opposed to his life itself, which is the Sunnah as already mentioned.

To learn more, you can refer to this website.

Then the one who told me that the haditha was deceiving me. That doesn’t surprise me and tells me she was being a good, little muslim.

 

[R_not]

Hadith # 8

Abdullah bin Omar narrated that the messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said:

"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and until they perform the prayers and pay the zakat, and if they do so they will have gained protection from me for their lives and property, unless [they do acts that are punishable] in accordance with Islam, and their reckoning will be with Allah the Almighty."

[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Islam is the only true religion. It is the truth; it is the path of Allah. One of the divine Laws since the earth was created: evil has always been fighting against truth. Jihad is to establish and maintain justice and truth.

Jihad is not confined to only fighting. It has many other unpracticed or weakly practiced forms: da’wah, disseminating knowledge and educating others, maximizing the good and minimizing the evil, reconciling clashes and conflicts between Muslims, striving for the betterment of community are all forms of jihad.

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You forget that jihad includes any form of tactic to make islam the dominate ‘religion’ and political force in a country. Deception, immigration, claiming victimhood if muslims feel threatened after one, or more, of theirs is doing the violent jihad, demands for their ways to be acknowledged by non-muslims and intolerance towards others, etc.

And as we see with so many things in islam the definitions for things such as your statement ‘maximizing the good and minimizing the evil’ means that only islam is good and everyone else’s beliefs are evil so the end result for peace is death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmitude). This is what we see in every country that muslims have migrated to - the end result for non-muslims is the escalation of demands, violence, claiming victimhood when the violence against muslims pales in comparison, etc until they become the dominate ones and the laws of the land are replaced with inferior sharia laws.

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 9

Abu Hurairah 'Abd al-Rahman bin Sakhr, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, say:

“Avoid that which I forbid you to do and do that which I command you to do to the best of your capacity. Verily the people before you were destroyed only because of their excessive questioning and their disagreement with their Prophets.”

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

Asking too many questions about one’s religious obligation may lead to complications and confusions in one’s faith.

The very act of questioning God’s commands and why and how He does the things that He does is a sign of weakness of faith.

The same would also be true of questioning the prohibitions and the commands of the Prophets (peace be upon them all).

 

[Silouan]

Hadith # 9

Abu Hurairah 'Abd al-Rahman bin Sakhr, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, say:

“Avoid that which I forbid you to do and do that which I command you to do to the best of your capacity. Verily the people before you were destroyed only because of their excessive questioning and their disagreement with their Prophets.”

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

Asking too many questions about one’s religious obligation may lead to complications and confusions in one’s faith.

The very act of questioning God’s commands and why and how He does the things that He does is a sign of weakness of faith.

The same would also be true of questioning the prohibitions and the commands of the Prophets (peace be upon them all).

This is one of the reasons I am not Muslim. The Scholars of Islam have complicated the religion. The scholars of Islam asked to many questions and complicated the religion. This is the great failure of Islam today. The scholars are trying to take control of Islam, with an Islam that isn’t truly the religion of Muhammad but is rather the religion of the scholars of Islam.

Islam of the scholars, is not a fitra based religion.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[R_not]

This is one of the reasons I am not Muslim. The Scholars of Islam have complicated the religion. The scholars of Islam asked to many questions and complicated the religion. This is the great failure of Islam today. The scholars are trying to take control of Islam, with an Islam that isn’t truly the religion of Muhammad but is rather the religion of the scholars of Islam.

Islam of the scholars, is not a fitra based religion.

In Christ,

Silouan

What is a ‘fitra based religion’?

What are the scholars doing to make islam already worse than it is? I can’t imagine that there could be anything worse - but I am very curious as to how it could be made worse.

 

[Silouan]

What are the scholars doing to make islam already worse than it is? I can’t imagine that there could be anything worse - but I am very curious as to how it could be made worse.

The same thing you are doing to Islam, making it into a religion it was not intended to be.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[R_not]

The same thing you are doing to Islam, making it into a religion it was not intended to be.

In Christ,

Silouan

How so? mohammed wanted his followers to slaughter people, to lie to them, etc.

I totally do not understand why you think otherwise. Do you want me to quote more surahs and haditha to you to show you what mohammed said and did?

He wanted them to enslave women and children. He wanted the muslims males to beat their women.

I just don’t know what you mean.

I didn’t make that stuff up.

The only thing that I don’t understand about islam is that no one is supposed to question it. Now why would that be? Could it be that a sane human being would run from it and instead of bullying and threatening everyone - islam would have evolved into a more reasonable religion or died on the vine.

 

[Richard2002]

Hi
Just wanted to say - thanks for taking the trouble to post these ahadith- it is wonderful to see someone taking the time to promote understanding of Islam.
Richard

 

[Silouan]

I totally do not understand why you think otherwise. Do you want me to quote more surahs and haditha to you to show you what mohammed said and did?
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Just as true Christianity is not sola scriptura, neither is true Islam.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[R_not]

Hi
Just wanted to say - thanks for taking the trouble to post these ahadith- it is wonderful to see someone taking the time to promote understanding of Islam.
Richard

Here are some particularly telling haditha on islam.

All of the following I got from this website because there are many more than I will mention
voi.org/books/uith/ch9.htm

This one is where I found that islam has only three options of peace with us infidels - death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmitude).

THREE OPTIONS

Muhammad told those whom he made chiefs of his raiding par-ties: �Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war; do not embezzle the spoils.� He also told them to offer their enemies three options or courses of action: �Invite them to accept Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them. . . . Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of MuhAjirs *, and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the MuhAjirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fa�i. . . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the JizyA. . . . . If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah�s help and fight them� (4294). Allah, the spoils of war, the jizyA-all beautifully and profitably interwoven.

This is where I found that muslims do not consider any infidel to be innocent - not even children.

CHILDREN OF THE POLYTHEISTS
In jihAd, all arms-bearing males of the enemy are killed, but Muhammad �disapproved of the killing of women and children� (4319). They are generally taken prisoners and then enslaved or sold or released after ransom is exacted. But if they are killed, no song need be made about it. Sa�b b. JassAma said to Muhammad: �Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of polytheists during the night raids. He [Muhammad] said: They are from them� (4323).

This next is why I don’t believe any of the assertions that muslims say about honoring Jesus, Jews or Christians. It is only said for our benefit and our hopes that islam is not as we really think it is. It also goes back to the only three options for peace with muslims stated above.

EXPULSION OF THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
�I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims,� Muhammad declared to �Umar (4366).

AbU Huraira reports: �We were sitting in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah came and said: Let us go to the Jews. We went out. . . . The Messenger of Allah called out to them: O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam and you will be safe.� When the answer was unsatisfactory, he told them: �You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land� (4363).

Muhammad�s expulsion plan began with the Jews of Medina and was implemented with great cruelty. He played on their hopes and fears and took them one by one. He first �expelled BanU NazIr, and allowed Quraiza to stay on, and granted favour to them until they too fought against him. Then he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims. . . . The Messenger of Allah turned out all the Jews of Medina, BanU QainuqA, and the Jews of BanU HArisa and every other Jew who was in Medina,� we are told by �Abdullah, the son of �Umar (4364).

And I should add that from the actions of muslims worldwide - they reinforce my opinion on a daily basis.*

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Hadith # 8

Abdullah bin Omar narrated that the messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said:

"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and until they perform the prayers and pay the zakat, and if they do so they will have gained protection from me for their lives and property, unless [they do acts that are punishable] in accordance with Islam, and their reckoning will be with Allah the Almighty."

[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Islam is the only true religion. It is the truth; it is the path of Allah. One of the divine Laws since the earth was created: evil has always been fighting against truth. Jihad is to establish and maintain justice and truth.

Jihad is not confined to only fighting. It has many other unpracticed or weakly practiced forms: da’wah, disseminating knowledge and educating others, maximizing the good and minimizing the evil, reconciling clashes and conflicts between Muslims, striving for the betterment of community are all forms of jihad.

“Jihad is not confined to only fighting.”

But islam DOES promote actual physical violence to expand the religion. That is a (rather obviously) simple sin.

Christianity KNOWS that physical violence can not MAKE one a Christian. To be violent makes one more UNChristian.

A (and certainly not “the”) basic contradiction of islam is that it’s “good” to make others more religious by making them less religious.

But then, it IS correct politically that conquest makes one more disposed toward one’s conquerors if those conquerors “pay you off” for following them.

Yet another proof that islam is not a religion but only a political system.

 

[Silouan]

I totally do not understand why you think otherwise.

God is Love and Christianity is Love.

I don’t see love in what you are doing. You are breeding hate with hate.

The things you say is not 100%, its misleading and deceptive.

The only thing you do with your post is make Muslims hate Christians more and you make Christians hate Muslims.

You produce hate. You are a breeder of hate.

I don’t understand why you can’t see that.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[R_not]

God is Love and Christianity is Love.

I don’t see love in what you are doing. You are breeding hate with hate.

The things you say is not 100%, its misleading and deceptive.

The only thing you do with your post is make Muslims hate Christians more and you make Christians hate Muslims.

You produce hate. You are a breeder of hate.

I don’t understand why you can’t see that.

In Christ,

Silouan

The problem with islam is that the more one digs into it the more problematic it becomes. This is probably why muslims are not supposed to question it.

I am only quoting the haditha - the passages that you and other muslims do not want to quote.

I don’t know why a person who has the ability to do research won’t do it themself. If you are not caught in one of those lands where you would die if you do such a thing - oh, I am not supposed to write that either?

Here is the problem with your assertions - they are not true. islam is an imperialistic political system. It uses the ‘religious’ aspect to mollify, and cull, the unsuspecting and ignorant. I will not do such a thing. To do so is just dishonest. And you can do whatever you want to me - I will not be dishonest about it to you, or to anyone.

I use mohammed’s own words and actions - and basically, if anyone just did a little research into islam - they would be finding the same things I find.

What you want everyone to do is recognize you as the ‘all authoritative one’ in islam. While I hope that others become just as knowledgeable as I am and pass it on. I do not consider you all knowing, nor anything about islam as you claim to be. You sound like a muslim to me and behave as one as you tell me that I am to just submit to you and to islam. Sorry chump - go get someone else to bow down to false idols - I won’t do it.

 

[R_not]

Oh, and I don’t hate muslims - I pity them. I feel so sorry that they are brainwashed zombie robots. They are not allowed to question, the women have the ‘abused woman’ syndrome and end out loving their abusers. Now, are they all abused - no, but the percentage of abuse is very high in muslim families. And abuse also is in the form of polygamy of which many bring to our lands.

I also realize that ‘sudden jihad syndrome’ is a very real phenomenon. With a koran and hadiths so full of death, chaos and destruction one is easy to see how those brainwashed and not allowed to question could turn to what is considered the highest of jihads - the violent kind.

Oh, now - do you want to deny that? Or do you want me to post the passage that says the violent jihad is the most holy of them all? come on - you are not discussing with a complete idiot here.

 

[R_not]

I think that since this is a thread about the haditha - I should indeed post the passages that talk about jihad - and the fighting kind to be the best of the jihads. I also posted a koran surah about it. Take note how mohammed mixes the violence of this jihad with being religious.

Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.’”

Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah’s Cause.’”

Qur’an:33:22 “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

Bukhari:V4B53N412 “Allah’s Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.’”

 

[Silouan]

Oh, and I don’t hate muslims - I pity them. .

I know exactly what you mean, because I pity you. I feel really sorry for you, I really do. Lord Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy.

But I will say these last two posts of yours are much closer to be being accuate that your other posts, so perhaps the Lord is answering my prayers.

In Christ,

Silouan