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I have a question? If someone leaves the catholic church after being baptised and joins another religion will that person still go to heaven or are they automatticaly condemmed for abandoing Christ’s Church
 
If they leave the Catholic Church with full understanding that it is Christ’s Church and they are choosing to reject it, then that is a mortal sin. However, if they are ignorant of the fact that the Catholic Church is the true church, then they may still go to heaven.
 
Thanks for clearing that up it has been something ive been wondering especally in the case of converts(not that im thinking of leaving) but if they at one point belivied and then decided they did not would that count as rejecting the true chruch knowingly… i just realized i may be in the wrong forum for this sorry if i am
 
As you stated, they were taught that the Catholic Church was the true Church, they accepted that teaching and then rejected it. Then, if they remain in that state there is no hope for salvation.
 
I already asked this in the other relgion forums but than realised this might be the better place to get info. If someone converts to catholism and later on in life for w.e. reason stops belivieing in it and belives in a different religion in this case lets say a christian one can that person still go to heaven I would think so since they truely tried to serve God and for w.e. reason felt God wanted them somewhere elese… what do u all thing
 
I already asked this in the other relgion forums but than realised this might be the better place to get info. If someone converts to catholism and later on in life for w.e. reason stops belivieing in it and belives in a different religion in this case lets say a christian one can that person still go to heaven I would think so since they truely tried to serve God and for w.e. reason felt God wanted them somewhere elese… what do u all thing
 
Leaving the Church, that is rejecting the Truth of the Catholic Church in favor of some other religion is a very grave sin. It is the sin of separation.
 
ericmatthews said:
I have a question. Ive been wondering if someone leaves the catholic church after being baptised and joins a different religion would they still get into heaven im just curious
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Only if culpability for the act is in some way mitigated. For instance, if the person was forced into leaving the Church through coercion.
 
ericmatthews said:
I have a question. Ive been wondering if someone leaves the catholic church after being baptised and joins a different religion would they still get into heaven im just curious
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yes. everyone can get into heaven. but everyone who is there, is there because of Jesus.
 
Maybe im wrong in my view but i think if someone was baptised and belivied and that person constantly sough God’s will and for w.e reason that person felt that he had made a mistake and felt that God led him to a different religion (a christian one in this case) i dont think God would send that person to Hell if they were truly trying to serve God and do what they thought was will
 
ericmatthews said:
Maybe im wrong in my view but i think if someone was baptised and belivied and that person constantly sough God’s will and for w.e reason that person felt that he had made a mistake and felt that God led him to a different religion (a christian one in this case) i dont think God would send that person to Hell if they were truly trying to serve God and do what they thought was will
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So if someone was so prideful, arrogant and disobedient that they refused to conform their conscience to what the Catholic Church, via the power of the Holy Spirit, teaches as truth, then God will just give him or her a pass for rejecting the only Church He established?

Wow, that is an interesting take on the mercy of the God and efficacy of the Sacrifice of Jesus. Taken to it’s logical conclusion, it renders Christ’s passion and death utterly needless and meaningless.
 
rpp said:
So if someone was so prideful, arrogant and disobedient that they refused to conform their conscience to what the Catholic Church, via the power of the Holy Spirit, teaches as truth, then God will just give him or her a pass for rejecting the only Church He established?

Wow, that is an interesting take on the mercy of the God and efficacy of the Sacrifice of Jesus. Taken to it’s logical conclusion, it renders Christ’s passion and death utterly needless and meaningless.
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Im not saying that im saying if they prayed to god asking his guidance and after that time of prayer and study and seeking they felt that God was guiding therm somewhere else they left how is that arrogant if they are trying to submit to God’s will i think your the one who is being arrogant
 
Eric,

We are all responsible for what we know and what we do with that knowledge.

Each person will be judged by God when they die based on the state of their soul at that time.
 
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Can you expend on this statement, please?
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i can’t really afford to expend on anything.

do you want me to expand on it?

sure, the only way into heaven is through Jesus for He is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through Him. that doesn’t necessarily mean that only Christians here on earth will go to heaven, but it means that everyone in heaven is a Christian.
 
Eric, there is no “right” answer to your question. No one can know the mind of God, and no one can know the interaction between God and any individual.
 
rpp said:
Wow, that is an interesting take on the mercy of the God and efficacy of the Sacrifice of Jesus. Taken to it’s logical conclusion, it renders Christ’s passion and death utterly needless and meaningless.
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actually, “taken to its logical conclusion” it would mean that Christ’s passion and death (and let’s not forget His resurrection!) was sufficient for all sins. that would be the logical conclusion.
 
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actually, “taken to its logical conclusion” it would mean that Christ’s passion and death (and let’s not forget His resurrection!) was sufficient for all sins. that would be the logical conclusion.
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No. The logical extension is that if people reject Christ, His sacrifice and His (one and only) Church then they still get to Heaven. (This differs from those who through no fault of their own are ignorant.)

Sorry, but that means that Christ did not really have to die because people do not need to believe the truth.

The bottom line is if you leave the Catholic Church, you place your immortal soul in very grave peril.

Disagree if you like, but you will not be able to back it up with anything even remotely similar to logic or Church teaching.
 
bengal_fan said:
i can’t really afford to expend on anything.

do you want me to expand on it?

sure, the only way into heaven is through Jesus for He is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through Him. that doesn’t necessarily mean that only Christians here on earth will go to heaven, but it means that everyone in heaven is a Christian.
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You are correct in that however by not following what Jesus taught us IS rejecting him. You can’t get to heaven by JUST believing in him and it can’t be just faith alone that is not following by works.

Sorry when Martin Luther added the word “alone” after “faith” he was VERY wrong and what skews a lot of protestant thinking.

Believing in Jesus means following what he taught us. Being saved is NOT a one day, one time thing, it is an on going process and NOBODY knows they are truely saved until death. I don’t consider myself saved, I hope and pray I will be and do everything that God commands of me and if it is his will I be saved then so be it, but I don’t proclaim to be “saved” until it happens.
 
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