Leavened and Unleavened hosts

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The use of azyme bread (unleavened bread) for the host by the roman Church (according to ancient Jewish traditions of the feast of passover). and the eastern Church has been using leavened bread for communion from the ancient times. This difference between the kind of bread used for the holy eucharist was also a subject of conflict between East and the West from which also eventually lead to the east - west schism.

BUT from my point of view ,after investigating alot on various subjects related to this the early christians (including the apostles) first used the azyme bread (unleavened host) for the eucharistic host,continuing their Jewish traditions. Plus the tradition of the church as well as the visions of blessed Anne Emmerich States that jesus taught the disciples to make the host from unleavened/azyme bread. What abt this? Am I right on this matter? Pls correct me if I was wrong.
 
I’m not sure if the evidence is conclusive either way. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter. As the Church defined at the Council of Florence:
Also, the body of Christ is truly confected in both unleavened and leavened wheat bread, and priests should confect the body of Christ in either, that is, each priest according to the custom of his western or eastern church.
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Both are still used in the Catholic Church to this day.
 
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I agree with you. But my question is that whether the unleavened bread (azyme bread) was first recommended by our Lord to the disciples, because the sacred tradition says so. ,The east used leavened bread following their own sacred tradition.
 
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as well as the visions of blessed Anne Emmerich States that jesus taught the disciples to make the host from unleavened/azyme bread.
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While Bl. Anne Emmerich is a beati and normally her private revelations would be approved, there is doubt that the recorded subject matter of her alleged visions was actually her own vision, because her secretary is suspected of embellishing / adding material when he was writing them down. For that reason, the Church set her alleged private revelations aside when considering her beatification. They are not reliable.

Even if this particular revelation did somehow come straight from Bl. Anne E., the faithful are not required to believe in approved private revelations, and when such revelations report things like events in Jesus’ life, it is understood that they may not be factually correct; often approved private revelations of the same event will differ from each other. God may have a reason for showing one mystic one thing and another mystic another. Or one (or all) of them may just be mistaken.

Therefore, a private revelation allegedly to Bl. Anne E. carries no weight whatsoever in this discussion or in the eyes of the Church.
 
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Isn’t just the idea of “making hosts” itself an anachronism that someone has tried to read back into history? Surely the Eucharistic Bread in apostolic times was the ritual bread of the day, torn or cut into pieces.
 
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Isn’t just the idea of “making hosts” itself an anachronism that someone has tried to read back into history?
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I’ve been to many a Catholic Mass where the bread used was not hosts but another approved form of bread, presumably unleavened, and in chunks.
 
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When I was in Egypt and attended a Coptic rite mass, the bishop would use a kind of pita bread that is common there. If memory serves me right, on one occasion I saw him give money to a boy to go out to a street vendor and get the bread that would be used at mass.

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OK guys. I understand. But my question is that do u guys know which kind bread was first used by the apostles? It was the teaching of the church (I guess it was in the early catechism) that just after the last supper jesus taught the disciples how to make the host,chrism oil and so on… So does anyone know what kind of bread jesus used to teach them? Most probably it should be unleavened host. Am I right?
 
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But my question is that do u guys know which kind bread was first used by the apostles?
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They likely used typical Jewish unleavened bread of the type Jewish people consumed at Passover. It would have been similar to pita or matzoh.

Jesus wouldn’t have needed to teach them to make it. Every Jewish person knew how to make it already, or if the men didn’t know then their wife, mom etc did.
 
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OK but taught them to make the host in proper way. The catechism teaches us. He wanted them to follow a his method of baking the bread (only flour and water)
 
Just after the last supper, Jesus taught Peter and John to administer the adorable sacrament to the Christians. He taught them the way to make the bread for communion,tye method to make chrism oil and so on.
 
I have no idea what you mean by “the early Catechism”. I am not aware of any official Church teaching about Jesus teaching Peter etc to bake bread and make chrism. Furthermore, “just after the Last Supper”, Jesus was busy being crucified, laying in the tomb and risng from the dead.
 
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I meant The catechism that was used by the early Church. Sorry, my English isn’t perfect.

The bible does not mention every thing.He spent some time with Peter and John. Sorry, I’m not sure whether it was during the supper or after that. But this really took place on Holy thursday. Catholic Church believes all the sacraments was established by jesus himself. This was also like that.
 
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