Leavened Bread Used at Mass?

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My Eastern Catholic priest was unavailable today (Sunday) to celebrate the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom so our deacon conducted a Typika Communion Service. The Blessed Sacrament distributed at this communion service was confected at a Latin Rite Mass Saturday evening using our standard prosphora (leavened bread.) It was distributed via intinction with a spoon mixed with wine and not the Precious Blood (legal in my Byzantine world as the Precious Blood cannot be reserved.)

I have absolutely no doubt the Blessed Sacrament was confected despite using this illicit matter within the context of a Mass. I was however a little troubled that leavened bread was offered for consecration during a Mass. That actually does seem like an actual (!) liturgical abuse to me. At the very least it seems like very bad form. It seems to me that it would have been better to consecrate approved hosts and then distribute THOSE at the communion service via intinction with wine.

Has anyone here ever run into this?
 
I don’t understand what is it you are talking about.
Rephrase please.

I have heard of when they accidentaly run out of hosts, the priest can get alter bread and intinct it in the Precious Blood.

But I don’t understand what happend with you.

Retell.
 
Pro_Domina said:
I don’t understand what is it you are talking about.
Rephrase please.

I have heard of when they accidentaly run out of hosts, the priest can get alter bread and intinct it in the Precious Blood.

But I don’t understand what happend with you.

Retell.
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If I understand him correctly, a Latin rite priest consecrated leavened bread in a Latin rite Mass so that the Eastern rite Catholics could have communion at a “Communion Service”.

As for your comment about non-consecrated hosts dipped in Precious Blood, I’ve seen that done once. However, Redemptionis Sacramentum absolutely forbids this practice and doesn’t say ‘except if you run out of consecrated Hosts’.
**Redemptionis Sacramentum **
[104.] The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand. As for the host to be used for the intinction, it should be made of valid matter, also consecrated; it is altogether forbidden to use non-consecrated bread or other matter.
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Phemie said:
If I understand him correctly, a Latin rite priest consecrated leavened bread in a Latin rite Mass so that the Eastern rite Catholics could have communion at a “Communion Service”.

As for your comment about non-consecrated hosts dipped in Precious Blood, I’ve seen that done once. However, Redemptionis Sacramentum absolutely forbids this practice and doesn’t say ‘except if you run out of consecrated Hosts’.
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Ok. Didn’t know that specific part of RS.

I’ve never done it anyways.

But well. To consecrate a leavened bread in the LR is wrong, but to recieve an unleavened host is not in the ERs if there is no other I believe.
 
There is something in Church documents–I’ve read it, but I can’t give the source–that says that Reserved Eucharist consecrated by one sui juris priest for another sui juris church should be what the receiving church uses.

In other words, a Latin priest preparing the Eucharist to be received at a Byzantine Church should consecrate LEAVENED bread for use in that church.

And I was quite surprised to read this.
 
CCEO:
Canon 707
  1. The preparation of the Eucharistic bread, the prayers performed by the priests before the Divine Liturgy, the observance of the Eucharistic fast, liturgical vestments, the time and place of the celebration and other like matters must be precisely established by the norms of each Church sui iuris.
  2. For a just cause and having removed any astonishment on the part of the Christian faithful, it is permissible to use the liturgical vestments and bread of another Church sui iuris.
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§2 is relevant here.
 
Interesting question.

So In the Byzantine Rite, the Blessed Sacrament is intincted in non-consecrated wine for the Rite of Holy Communion. But in the West, the non-consecrated bread is prohibited from being intincted into the Blessed Sacrament under the form of wine?

I wonder why this is the case for the west? Is it a safeguard against confusing the faithful?
 
VietCatholic83 said:
Interesting question.

So In the Byzantine Rite, the Blessed Sacrament is intincted in non-consecrated wine for the Rite of Holy Communion. But in the West, the non-consecrated bread is prohibited from being intincted into the Blessed Sacrament under the form of wine?

I wonder why this is the case for the west? Is it a safeguard against confusing the faithful?
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If I understand the OP, non-consecrated Wine is only used for Communion services outside of Mass since receiving both bread and wine is required and the consecrated wine cannot be reserved. In the West, receiving under only one species is perfectly permissable so this isn’t an issue.
 
Aramis said:
  1. For a just cause and having removed any astonishment on the part of the Christian faithful, it is permissible to use the liturgical vestments and bread of another Church sui iuris.
§2 is relevant here.
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Absolutely fascinating!
 
All this about consecrating bread in one church for a Communion service in another is new to me, and rather interesting.

However, I hope that those church members who were not prevented by distance or infirmity attended Mass at the Latin rite church to fulfill their obligation on Sunday. After all, we are all one Church! A Communion service is no substitute for Divine Liturgy or Mass, if one is available.
 
VietCatholic83 said:
Interesting question.

So In the Byzantine Rite, the Blessed Sacrament is intincted in non-consecrated wine for the Rite of Holy Communion. But in the West, the non-consecrated bread is prohibited from being intincted into the Blessed Sacrament under the form of wine?

I wonder why this is the case for the west? Is it a safeguard against confusing the faithful?
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In the East, the use of the species of Bread with unconsecrated wine is a standard practice. It is known as the Liturgy of PreSanctified Gifts.

As far as the prohibition in the Latin Rite, I too would imagine that it has to do with confusing the faithful. The rubrics for intinction specifiy that the priest say “The Body and Blood of Christ”, now this is true for either species, but the faithful might be left with the impression that the mere fact of intiction consecrates the Bread.,
 
VietCatholic83 said:
Interesting question.

So In the Byzantine Rite, the Blessed Sacrament is intincted in non-consecrated wine for the Rite of Holy Communion. But in the West, the non-consecrated bread is prohibited from being intincted into the Blessed Sacrament under the form of wine?

I wonder why this is the case for the west? Is it a safeguard against confusing the faithful?
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Only for the Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts. Which is a communion service but one in which the sacrament has been previously confected (and transubstantiated).

It is used for some fridays, some days of lent, and by the Deacons when the priests are absent for whatever reasons.

The presanctified gifts can be either just the body, or the body already intincted, then carefully dried.

In the latter case, wine is added to reconstitute the precious blood already present (yet dried).
 
Brendan said:
In the East, the use of the species of Bread with unconsecrated wine is a standard practice. It is known as the Liturgy of PreSanctified Gifts.

As far as the prohibition in the Latin Rite, I too would imagine that it has to do with confusing the faithful. The rubrics for intinction specifiy that the priest say “The Body and Blood of Christ”, now this is true for either species, but the faithful might be left with the impression that the mere fact of intiction consecrates the Bread.,
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There is also the Typika Communion Service which is different than the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts.
 
PhilotheaZ said:
All this about consecrating bread in one church for a Communion service in another is new to me, and rather interesting.

However, I hope that those church members who were not prevented by distance or infirmity attended Mass at the Latin rite church to fulfill their obligation on Sunday. After all, we are all one Church! A Communion service is no substitute for Divine Liturgy or Mass, if one is available.
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GOOD POINT!

I brought that up and many got upset! They SHOULD have attended a Mass 3 blocks away but they did not…
 
PhilotheaZ said:
All this about consecrating bread in one church for a Communion service in another is new to me, and rather interesting.

However, I hope that those church members who were not prevented by distance or infirmity attended Mass at the Latin rite church to fulfill their obligation on Sunday. After all, we are all one Church! A Communion service is no substitute for Divine Liturgy or Mass, if one is available.
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Actually, the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts, under Byzantine use, fulfills a Byzantine’s Sunday obligation.

It is lead by the Deacon when used instead of the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil or St. John due to a priest’s absence; it is lead by a priest or bishop when used for weekday lenten liturgies.

Each Church Sui Iuris is a separate entity with its own rules for the Sunday obligation. They are united with the Pope, and unified under his Petrine authority. And each member of each church may fulfill their obligation in another if they can not in their own…

But in Byzantine Praxis, the Presanctified Liturgy is equivalent to a full Divine Liturgy for the duty to attend and/or receive.
 
Aramis said:
Actually, the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts, under Byzantine use, fulfills a Byzantine’s Sunday obligation.

It is lead by the Deacon when used instead of the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil or St. John due to a priest’s absence; it is lead by a priest or bishop when used for weekday lenten liturgies.

Each Church Sui Iuris is a separate entity with its own rules for the Sunday obligation. They are united with the Pope, and unified under his Petrine authority. And each member of each church may fulfill their obligation in another if they can not in their own…

But in Byzantine Praxis, the Presanctified Liturgy is equivalent to a full Divine Liturgy for the duty to attend and/or receive.
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As I said we didn’t have the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts we had a Typika Communion Service.
 
Rickwood said:
Absolutely fascinating!
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Ja, but uh that is the CIC for the Eastern Churches.

That is not in the CIC, therefore a Latin priest cannot, at least by that cannon, consecrate leavened bread.

Plus if the OP was scandalized, there was not a warning as to the why it was done, there for breaking the law.
 
About a communion service satisfying a Sunday obligation:

That means we are seeing more the obligation instead of being virtuous. This is an error I came out of but in a different manner.

I recieve Holy Communion daily. Yet I have the opportunity to recieve it extra-mass. Yet over time I realized, that while it is good for me to recieve Communion, it is even better to do it within the Holy Mass.
If something is better, than we should strive to do it, because why it is not against any law it is against a commandment.

The First Commandment. If we love God, we must strive for sanctity. If we strive for sanctity, than we strive for perfection, and that perfection must be in aspect. No one progress in just one virtue. They are sisters. If one progressed, the others a following in hand.

The Eastern Communion Service satisfies the Laws of the Church,

but does it satisfy God’s desire for your sanctification?
 
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