Leavened Bread Used at Mass?

[Rickwood]

Ja, but uh that is the CIC for the Eastern Churches.

That is not in the CIC, therefore a Latin priest cannot, at least by that cannon, consecrate leavened bread.

Plus if the OP was scandalized, there was not a warning as to the why it was done, there for breaking the law.

I was privy that we would have matter that would be consecrated during a Mass the night before. I just assumed it would be approved (per Latin Rite requirements) hosts.

The deacon had to add more of the Blessed Sacrament to his chalice during communion and one piece fell on the altar. He immediately picked it up and placed it in the chalice (which is fine and dandy) but in the process I noticed that it was a cube of prosphora and not an unleavened host.

That realization made my mind race like crazy just before I was to get in line for communion and I began to feel negative about the whole thing. That’s not the frame of mind to be in before receiving communion so I went without.

 

[Pro_Domina]

I was privy that we would have matter that would be consecrated during a Mass the night before. I just assumed it would be approved (per Latin Rite requirements) hosts.

The deacon had to add more of the Blessed Sacrament to his chalice during communion and one piece fell on the altar. He immediately picked it up and placed it in the chalice (which is fine and dandy) but in the process I noticed that it was a cube of prosphora and not an unleavened host.

That realization made my mind race like crazy just before I was to get in line for communion and I began to feel negative about the whole thing.** That’s not the frame of mind to be in before receiving communion so I went without**.

Jumping into the Mass is one thing, but missing out on Holy Communion for that?

My dear friend, better you recieve Him and let Him help you than go without.

Mortal sin should be the only impediment to ever recieving communion. Anything else is not strong enough.
(And that you followed the rules of the Church)

Apart from that, learn not to freak out about those things.

When something is wrong, hate what is wrong in your heart, repudiate it, but it is most of the times something you can’t do anything but pray and not fall into it yourself.

You think I go beserk when people do backflips in mass.

No, I hate it with all my heart, but I don’t show it.

There will be take to do that.

But not yet.

 

[Rickwood]

Jumping into the Mass is one thing, but missing out on Holy Communion for that?

My dear friend, better you recieve Him and let Him help you than go without.

Mortal sin should be the only impediment to ever recieving communion. Anything else is not strong enough.
(And that you followed the rules of the Church)

Apart from that, learn not to freak out about those things.

When something is wrong, hate what is wrong in your heart, repudiate it, but it is most of the times something you can’t do anything but pray and not fall into it yourself.

You think I go beserk when people do backflips in mass.

No, I hate it with all my heart, but I don’t show it.

There will be take to do that.

But not yet.

This was neither the Mass nor the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It was a Typika Communion Service. I had already attended Mass earlier in the morning and received Holy Communion.

It wouldn’t have been cool for me to receive based on what was swirling around in my head at the time. I wasn’t properly prepared to receive communion.

Most people who attend my eastern parish are self-described “traditionalists” who believe they are HYPER-orthodox when it comes to the liturgy. Just about the time I was to get in line I was wondering if some hypocritical behavior was going on – if a serious liturgical abuse had occurred at a Mass the night before in order to facilitate this Typika Communion Service? All I know is that I could feel my BP rising and while I really still don’t know the answer to my question, I know I was not in shape to receive communion.

 

[Pro_Domina]

Ah your second communtion of the day.

Excellent devotion.

Kudos!

Me too!

 

[PhilotheaZ]

This was neither the Mass nor the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It was a Typika Communion Service. I had already attended Mass earlier in the morning and received Holy Communion.

It wouldn’t have been cool for me to receive based on what was swirling around in my head at the time.

Actually, we (I am Latin rite) are only permitted to receive Communion a second time on a given day if the second time is at a Mass. So, assuming that the same rule applies to you, you were correct in not receiving, regardless of what was swirling around in your head.

 

[Rickwood]

Actually, we (I am Latin rite) are only permitted to receive Communion a second time on a given day if the second time is at a Mass. So, assuming that the same rule applies to you, you were correct in not receiving, regardless of what was swirling around in your head.

Incorrect.

As a Latin Rite Catholic we are able to receive communion at both a Mass AND a Divine Liturgy in the same day. Both are the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for propitiation of our sins. I do it every Sunday.

I cannot for example receive communion at Mass and then partake again if I visit someone at their home while a priest visits to give them communion.

Last Sunday gets more complicated because while I could not receive communion a second time within a Latin Rite communion service, I’m not at all certain I couldn’t in the East.

 

[Rickwood]

Actually, we (I am Latin rite) are only permitted to receive Communion a second time on a given day if the second time is at a Mass. So, assuming that the same rule applies to you, you were correct in not receiving, regardless of what was swirling around in your head.

Incorrect.

As a Latin Rite Catholic we are able to receive communion at both a Mass AND a Divine Liturgy in the same day. Both are the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for propitiation of our sins. I do it every Sunday.

I cannot for example receive communion at Mass and then partake again if I visit someone at their home while a priest visits to give them communion.

Last Sunday gets more complicated because while I could not receive communion a second time within a Latin Rite communion service, I’m not at all certain I couldn’t in the East. There is also the matter of the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts versus the Typika Communion Service which we had.

 

[Pro_Domina]

The CIC basically says the Following:

1st Communion of the day could be in the mass or out.

2nd must be a mass in which you participated, which most interpret as Gospel and on.

The Eastern CIC says nothing in respect from what I researched.

 

[Rickwood]

The CIC basically says the Following:

1st Communion of the day could be in the mass or out.

2nd must be a mass in which you participated, which most interpret as Gospel and on.

The Eastern CIC says nothing in respect from what I researched.

The Eastern Divine Liturgies equate to the Mass.

The Eastern Divine Liturgies are not a communion service.

This isn’t debatable.

 

[Aramis]

It should also be noted that the Presanctified Liturgy is considered a Divine Liturgy, an Act of Divine Worship, even tho (almost uniquely) it lacks the consecration.

Note also: on a short term basis, there is no compulsion in the eastern code to attend Divine Liturgy EVERY sunday. It says frequently.

There is also no compulsion to “go latin” just because one’s pastor is unavailable in a given week. (Tho’ if in an area without a parish, one may go to the EO, OO, or to the Latin, as their conscience demands.) Likewise, a Latin is hardly expected to go to a thogoughly unfamiliar Melchite parish just because his pastor is unavailable that sunday. Each parish tends to its flock, under the rules of its bishop, Metropolitan, and if appropriate, it’s patriarch, and of course, the Rules Rome has created… which are different for east from west.

On the other hand, there is a requirement to participate. That requirement goes beyond simple attendance; in fact, the obligation in the CCEO far exceeds that of the CIC’s requirements for Latins… but it does NOT explicitly require weekly participation in the Divine Liturgy. It does require study of one’s own rite, of ones’ one church sui iuris, of theology. It requires lifelong education and growth in the faith. It requires participation outside the acts of Divine Worship as well as frequent participation in acts of divine worship. It requires the sacrament of reconciliation.

And it leaves to the Pastors many things which Romans must have the Bishop decide or do.

 

[Rickwood]

It should also be noted that the Presanctified Liturgy is considered a Divine Liturgy, an Act of Divine Worship, even tho (almost uniquely) it lacks the consecration.

Note also: on a short term basis, there is no compulsion in the eastern code to attend Divine Liturgy EVERY sunday. It says frequently.

There is also no compulsion to “go latin” just because one’s pastor is unavailable in a given week. (Tho’ if in an area without a parish, one may go to the EO, OO, or to the Latin, as their conscience demands.) Likewise, a Latin is hardly expected to go to a thogoughly unfamiliar Melchite parish just because his pastor is unavailable that sunday. Each parish tends to its flock, under the rules of its bishop, Metropolitan, and if appropriate, it’s patriarch, and of course, the Rules Rome has created… which are different for east from west.

On the other hand, there is a requirement to participate. That requirement goes beyond simple attendance; in fact, the obligation in the CCEO far exceeds that of the CIC’s requirements for Latins… but it does NOT explicitly require weekly participation in the Divine Liturgy. It does require study of one’s own rite, of ones’ one church sui iuris, of theology. It requires lifelong education and growth in the faith. It requires participation outside the acts of Divine Worship as well as frequent participation in acts of divine worship. It requires the sacrament of reconciliation.

And it leaves to the Pastors many things which Romans must have the Bishop decide or do.

Actually you’re wrong. As a Latin Rite Catholic if the only liturgy available is at a Maronite parish on a Sunday, I would be expected to attend.

 

[japhy]

Incorrect. As a Latin Rite Catholic we are able to receive communion at both a Mass AND a Divine Liturgy in the same day. Both are the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for propitiation of our sins. I do it every Sunday.

It was not meant that way (as if Eastern Divine Liturgies != Mass). It was meant that, as you were at a COMMUNION SERVICE and you had already received once that day at Mass, you could not receive at the COMMUNION SERVICE.

 

[Ghoti]

I wonder why this is the case for the west? Is it a safeguard against confusing the faithful?

I know I’m confused…

 

[Rickwood]

It was not meant that way (as if Eastern Divine Liturgies != Mass). It was meant that, as you were at a COMMUNION SERVICE and you had already received once that day at Mass, you could not receive at the COMMUNION SERVICE.

That’s not true.

I normally attend a Divine Liturgy and a Mass on Sundays and I receive at both which is fine.

 

[japhy]

I normally attend a Divine Liturgy and a Mass on Sundays and I receive at both which is fine.

UGH. A “Communion service” is not the same as Mass, and, as far as I know, it is not the same as the Divine Liturgy. Maybe our terminology is the source of the confusion.

From what I understand, a “Communion service” is a service at which Holy Communion is distributed but which does not canonically fulfill the requirement of attendance on a holyday of obligation. Thus, if you have received Holy Communion at a service which fulfills the requirement of attendance on a holyday, CIC 917 rules out (for Latin Catholics, at least) receiving Holy Communion again at a “Communion service”.

 

[Pro_Domina]

The Eastern Divine Liturgies equate to the Mass.

The Eastern Divine Liturgies are not a communion service.

This isn’t debatable.

I know that. Never said anything contrary.

I just said that while the CIC specifies the number and mannor of communions, the E CIC says nothing.

Yet one would have to look at the norms of every Sui Iuris Church.

 

[Pro_Domina]

Wow some people trick themselves for using terms they don’t fully understand.

The words “mass” and “divine liturgy” are simply a way to distingush the manner in which the incruent renewal of the Sacrifice of the Cross.

This means in relation to recieving communion twice, according to the CIC, the following:

The first communion of the day (day means in CIC the normal 24 hour period) can be either out side of the Sacrifice or inside. Outside means:
For Latins it is just recieving or the paraliturgical “Communion Service” for Easterners it is the Typica or the Presanctified Gifts

The second must be in the Sacrifice.

If you don’t have it down now you are simply hopeless or do not speak English.

 

[Digitonomy]

A brief discussion of different types of Typika services:

orthodoxwiki.org/Typika

 

[bpbasilphx]

In the East, the use of the species of Bread with unconsecrated wine is a standard practice. It is known as the Liturgy of PreSanctified Gifts.

**The Lamb given in communion at the Liturgy of the Presanctifed gifts is dyed with the Precious Blood when prepared on the Sunday beforehand.

And, of course, the dried Precious Blood goes back into solution when placed in the Chalice.

There is also the belief in contact consecration held in some circles.**