Lebanese Psycholist on Islam

[cestusdei]

For those that argue there is no persecution of Christians I challenge you to meet me in Saudi Arabia for a public Catholic Mass.

 

[Shadowcry]

What are you talking about cestusdei? I really have no clue.

 

[cestusdei]

Shadow,
If they don’t like France they can go somewhere else can’t they? After the riots did French Christians riot in Muslim areas and burn stuff down? I find it interesting that a Muslim can do ANYTHING…rape, behead, murder, torture…and no Muslim will condemn it or apologize for it. You moan about Abu Gahrib, but what about torture in Pakistan’s prisons? They don’t get investigated. And the poor Pakistini Christians who are routinely arrested or killed on trumped up charges. It is a scandal.

 

[Myangel]

Shadowcry:

Before the French riots perhaps?

Name them?

 

[Shadowcry]

cestusdei:

Shadow,
If they don’t like France they can go somewhere else can’t they? After the riots did French Christians riot in Muslim areas and burn stuff down? I find it interesting that a Muslim can do ANYTHING…rape, behead, murder, torture…and no Muslim will condemn it or apologize for it. You moan about Abu Gahrib, but what about torture in Pakistan’s prisons? They don’t get investigated. And the poor Pakistini Christians who are routinely arrested or killed on trumped up charges. It is a scandal.

I’m a Pakistani christian and I am not dead.

 

[Shadowcry]

Myangel:

Name them?

The discrimination the muslims endured during their life there.

 

[Myangel]

Shadowcry:

The discrimination the muslims endured during their life there.

Give me a break, we all suffer some form of discrimination one way or another, christians are constantly discriminated against in muslim countries, do you see them behave the way the muslims do??? No because their Bible tells them to turn the other cheek, the ones that dont will have to deal with God! Whereas the muslim’s Quran tells them to fight non believers, please dont preach discrimination against muslims, its absurd!

 

[Shadowcry]

Give me a break. You think just because a couple of fanatics kill people a whole religion is like that? Get real, Discrimination is discrimination no matter who perpetrates it,

Turn the other cheek as if. If you saw people who were tortured horribly and were given the chance to kill their torturers do you think they wouldn’t.A very small minority of people wouldn’t take vengence.

Really now people don’t behave a certain way just because they fit into a stereotype or belong to a creed.

 

[Myangel]

Give me a break. You think just because a couple of fanatics kill people a whole religion is like that? Get real, Discrimination is discrimination no matter who perpetrates it,

I know that Islam is not violent, however MUSLIMS, and unfortunately a large amount of them, potray Islam very differently, you know people are getting tired of muslims defending their faith rather than opposing what these EXTREMIST are doing.

Turn the other cheek as if. If you saw people who were tortured horribly and were given the chance to kill their torturers do you think they wouldn’t.A very small minority of people wouldn’t take vengence.

Difference is, christianity FORBIDS it, therefor they sin and will have to deal with God, quaran allows it as long as they are “INFIDELS”

Really now people don’t behave a certain way just because they fit into a stereotype or belong to a creed.

YA THINK? :whacky: I dare you to approach one of the protesters in Denmark holding threatening signs & ask why they behave the way they do, whether they are following a creed/book??? :nope:

 

[Shadowcry]

Myangel:

I know that Islam is not violent, however MUSLIMS, and unfortunately a large amount of them, potray Islam very differently, you know people are getting tired of muslims defending their faith rather than opposing what these EXTREMIST are doing.

Difference is, christianity FORBIDS it, therefor they sin and will have to deal with God, quaran allows it as long as they are “INFIDELS”

Have you read the Quaran with a muslim guide to help you understand it?

YA THINK? :whacky: I dare you to approach one of the protesters in Denmark holding threatening signs why they behave the way they do??? :nope:

I could if I lived in Denmark and find that what you say is utter nonsense but then I don’t live in Denmark do I.

 

[Myangel]

Shadowcry:

I could if I lived in Denmark and find that what you say is utter nonsense but then I don’t live in Denmark do I.

Gee silly me, :whacky: all the signs and violent protesting are a figure of my imagination and the rest of the worlds for that matter! Tell me do you have news channels or newspapers where you come from? YEAH I know media never tell the full story, I agree with you there, but a picture paints a thousand words, and the pictures of little kids, women and men carrying those threatening and sickening signs, men burning flags and churches, you cant get that wrong buddy! OH but thats freedom of speech for you.

Its always utter nonsense when people dont agree with muslims!

 

[Shadowcry]

Yes and if something deeply offended christians they would probably do the same.

 

[Myangel]

Shadowcry:

Yes and if something deeply offended christians they would probably do the same.

Thats the best you can come up with “christians would PROBABLY (key word) do the same”

They would protest, but if any of them carried the threatening signs that the muslims did in Denmark and behaved as violently as the muslims did, it would be contrary to christian teaching. Sorry bud you cannot refute that!

 

[Ghosty]

Shadowcry:

Yes and if something deeply offended christians they would probably do the same.

Nope, and we’ve had much, much worse. How about statues of Jesus held in jars of urine put on public display in museums? And images of the Blessed Mother Mary covered in elephant dung? We’ve seen it all, and never protested the same way as you saw with the Denmark issue. No burning of buildings, no death threats, none of that.

Protests, certainly, but peaceful ones. It’s just not something Christians tend to do, and for religious reasons to boot. After the world-wide violence we saw recently with Muslims, over images that are comparitively much less offensive than images of Jesus (who we believe is God) kept in jars of urine, a lot of people have been questioning the general attitude that is apparently prevalent among Muslims, or at least large segments of Muslim culture. It’s precisely because Christians DON’T do those things that this new evaluation is occuring, not simply that Muslims have done them.

Peace and God bless!

 

[melbourne_guy]

wow, everything she said was soooo true, god bless her

 

[Shadowcry]

Myangel:

Thats the best you can come up with “christians would PROBABLY (key word) do the same”

They would protest, but if any of them carried the threatening signs that the muslims did in Denmark and behaved as violently as the muslims did, it would be contrary to christian teaching. Sorry bud you cannot refute that!

I thought this was a discussion not a debate. I am not expecting you to listen to what I say , I am only presenting my opinion.

Despite this Christians DO NOT and I said DO NOT live perfectly accordingly to Christian doctrine. I f you need to find proof of this look outside or at a newspaper.

 

[Shadowcry]

Ghosty:

Nope, and we’ve had much, much worse. How about statues of Jesus held in jars of urine put on public display in museums? And images of the Blessed Mother Mary covered in elephant dung? We’ve seen it all, and never protested the same way as you saw with the Denmark issue. No burning of buildings, no death threats, none of that.

Protests, certainly, but peaceful ones. It’s just not something Christians tend to do, and for religious reasons to boot. After the world-wide violence we saw recently with Muslims, over images that are comparitively much less offensive than images of Jesus (who we believe is God) kept in jars of urine, a lot of people have been questioning the general attitude that is apparently prevalent among Muslims, or at least large segments of Muslim culture. It’s precisely because Christians DON’T do those things that this new evaluation is occuring, not simply that Muslims have done them.

Peace and God bless!

You do realixe that a lot of the conflict was racial not only religious.

 

[Myangel]

Shadowcry:

I thought this was a discussion not a debate. I am not expecting you to listen to what I say , I am only presenting my opinion.

Despite this Christians DO NOT and I said DO NOT live perfectly accordingly to Christian doctrine. I f you need to find proof of this look outside or at a newspaper.

It is a discussion, and I AM listening to what you say, I just completely disagree. I DO NOT believe muslims are the only ones being discriminated against hence their reasoning for violence, I do however believe, which is how we started this DISCUSSION, that muslims use freedom of speech when it suits them! They invoke their right to freedom of speech and freedom to violence accoriding to their koran!

I am tired of arguing with the muslims here who is a better religion, truth is we all are sinners, but I just wish for once, JUST ONCE the muslims on this forum would say “hey we are disgusted and opposed to the riots” rather than say:

Originally Posted by Shadowcry
Yes and if something deeply offended christians they would probably do the same.

:yawn:

I NEVER said christians live perfectly, heck I dont live perfectly, however thats my cross to bear and I have to take this up with God. I have never committed a crime and thought “ah well my bible said so, so it must be ok”

 

[Ghosty]

Shadowcry:

You do realixe that a lot of the conflict was racial not only religious.

How was the issue of Mohammed’s image being defamed racial? Secondly, I know full well that there is no “muslim race”, and that the violence crossed all the racial lines of Muslim culture, from Indian to Indonesian to Fars to Arab. The only common denominator was the Muslim faith.

Peace and God bless!

 

[cestusdei]

Ok, think “blasphemy laws” and then substitute “murdering and persecuting Christians”. Hope that helps.