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Holland
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I read in the newspaper today that efforts are being made to restore to the lectionary, the text from which women have been deleted. Is that true? Why would they do that?
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Tantum_ergo
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Dear Holland:
It would be most helpful–indeed, I might even say it is mandatory per forum rules–for you to post a SOURCE --ideally, a link to the paper you read this in.
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As it stands, respectfully, I really cannot understand what this is all about without getting more information to clarify it. . .especially since I have never, ever heard that the lectionary ‘deleted women from the text’ (which, logically speaking, must have happened if “they” are now talking about ‘restoring’ the text.)
It would be most helpful–indeed, I might even say it is mandatory per forum rules–for you to post a SOURCE --ideally, a link to the paper you read this in.
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Whose efforts? What ‘text’? Etc.
As it stands, respectfully, I really cannot understand what this is all about without getting more information to clarify it. . .especially since I have never, ever heard that the lectionary ‘deleted women from the text’ (which, logically speaking, must have happened if “they” are now talking about ‘restoring’ the text.)
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Holland
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This was in our local newspaper in connection with a lecture that is going to be given by Sister Christine Schenk. You are asking all the questions I am asking. I just thought it might be a big enough issue where some of the folks on this forum may have some knowledge of it. I guess not. I will have to do the digging myself. You also did what I did when first reading that sentence. It says they are restoring the lectionary which will delete women from the text. Anyway I will look for this stuff on my own.
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Nita
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Sure wish they would. They seem to make optional any parts that talk about women being obedient to husbands (which often means it doesn’t get read - thus deleted) and various other texts that speak about women and their role (cf 1 Cor 11:3-15 and 14:34-35; 1 Tim 2:9-15 and 5:3-16; 2 Tim 3:6-7; Titus 2:34; 1 Peter 3:1-7).
I somehow doubt however, that those are the passages that Sr. Schenk is referring to. Hopefully, I’m wrong.
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momof8
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Hi Holland,
Tantum Ergo is asking the questions we all need to ask when we read this newspaper report. I’ve learned not to consider myself educated about anyone else’s faith from news reports, since I know my own Church is usually misrepresented in the news. Often a good first step if you want to look into this kind of thing is to do a google on the speaker. I put in the sister’s name and this phrase came up:
"Sister Christine Schenk, a nun who runs Future Church, a liberal pressure group in Cleveland, Ohio. "
I don’t suppose she’ll be talking about women being submissive to their husbands… besides which, that actually still is in the lectionary!
Unfortunately, most people assume a reporter at least knows a little about what they’re writing about and so would think, “Gosh, why did they do that to the lectionary?” The reporter should have asked more questions, I would think.
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Holland
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OK, so this is what I have found out from doing a little internet seaching. This info comes from the Future Church and Vatican websites.
In Oct 2008 the World Synod of Bishops will meet. The theme is "The word of God in the Life and Mission of the Church with special attention given to “the Word of God in liturgy, in preaching, in catechesis, in theology, spirituality, public and private meditation, enculteration and ecumenism.”
Future Church would like us to send an electronic postcard asking them to restore biblical women to the lecitonary. I really don’t remember if all these women were taken out of the new lectionary effective Palm Sunday, 1970. They complain the women who are left in the readings are relegated to weekday Masses that most people don’t hear. There have been many times I have heard a weekday reading thinking it would be nice to hear it on a Sunday but I never considered complaining about it.
I hope this is a bit better than my original post.
In Oct 2008 the World Synod of Bishops will meet. The theme is "The word of God in the Life and Mission of the Church with special attention given to “the Word of God in liturgy, in preaching, in catechesis, in theology, spirituality, public and private meditation, enculteration and ecumenism.”
Future Church would like us to send an electronic postcard asking them to restore biblical women to the lecitonary. I really don’t remember if all these women were taken out of the new lectionary effective Palm Sunday, 1970. They complain the women who are left in the readings are relegated to weekday Masses that most people don’t hear. There have been many times I have heard a weekday reading thinking it would be nice to hear it on a Sunday but I never considered complaining about it.
I hope this is a bit better than my original post.
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IrishAm
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Yeah, I notice how little attention we Catholics pay to, oh, say, the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, Mary and Martha, Veronica, etc etc etc . . . 
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momof8
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Wanting to hear those stories on Sundays is certainly not bad at all. This makes me grateful that I can often get to daily Mass. It is nice to hear the extra readings and to notice how you hear a story continuing from one day to the next. I’m also sure that the Sunday readings are chosen for a specific purpose.
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Tantum_ergo
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You know, it would be sort of ‘neat’ to hear about Lot’s wife turning into a pillar of salt, Lot’s daughters getting their father drunk and committing incest, Delilah tricking Samson, the witch of Endor, the wife of Potiphar who tried to seduce Joseph, Sapphira (who with her husband Annanias tried to con St. Peter), Jezebel, Herodias who was responsible for having John the Baptist killed and had her own daughter ‘trick’ her stepfather into doing it; Gomer the harlot wife of Hosea. . .
IOW, one wonders how much these ‘Future Church’ leaders want to hear about the women of the Bible who weren’t exactly the ‘virtuous’ or the ‘heroic’ types that they apparently think are ‘neglected’ for ‘men’.
IOW, one wonders how much these ‘Future Church’ leaders want to hear about the women of the Bible who weren’t exactly the ‘virtuous’ or the ‘heroic’ types that they apparently think are ‘neglected’ for ‘men’.
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ac_claire
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So…somehow it’s now appropriate to ask the Bishops to change the lectionary because of a personal opinion that it’s not…balanced? Amazing. And why advocate balance for the sake of balance? What does that even mean?
I see that Future Church also advocates women’s ordination…
You did good.
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Ignatius
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Can you please post a link so that we know what you are asking about?
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